I have to agree there not for everyone not even for me . I have customers that swear by them and will never use another mod . If you only vape 2 or 3 ml a day the mod is perfect or if you need a little mod for the work day or a short trip perfect . I can drain a 14500 just looking at it so for me it has never workedGreat news Rob! Really looking forward to seeing these come to life. I know they are not for everyone, but in some ways, I feel that the 14500 mini is just a perfect mod. So tiny, yet so capable. I am just amazed at how well the two that I currently have perform. I can't wait to get my hands on a brandy new one![]()