New bad...PG and VG... results in rats...comments?

“Their immune cells were … not working well,” she said. “Even a very small dose of influenza virus” killed most of the mice who had been breathing the vape juice, she said.

Horsefeathers. When I was smoking, I'd get colds several each year, and they always went into my chest. In December, it will be six years since I switched. During that entire time, I've had one mild cold, which didn't go into my chest at all. Meanwhile non-smokers and non-vapers around me have had plenty of 'em. My personal experience is that vaping actually has a protective effect against the common cold.

“FDA has never, ever even tested or been asked to determine whether these things, these chemical solvents, are actually safe [for] inhalation, let alone chronic inhalation,” Kheradmand said.

1942 Study: Health Benefits of Inhaled Propylene Glycol

 

They're just piling on with outrageous stuff while the opportunity to color the public's opinion is ripe. It's getting harder day by day in the US for ecigs to ever again be seen in the favorable light they deserve. Disgusting.

 

People have been vaping PG and VG over 12 years. No one has died from it.

 

From Dr. Farsalinos:

The emotional and irrational hysteria in the US about the “vaping-related” (or cannabis-related?) lung disease that goes far beyond confirmation bias

"What does this tell us from an epidemiological perspective (again, without considering any information about cannabis/THC use)?

1. That these cases are not related to long-term use of e-cigarettes. The authorities have clarified that these are acute cases. Despite various media presenting this as a mysterious lung disease, it is in fact poisoning of the lungs which is clinically manifested as serious respiratory failure (perhaps ARDS, perhaps some form of severe lung inflammation leading to respiratory failure).
2. That these cases are not related to vaping products that have been available for years in the US and global market. It makes absolutely no sense that the same products that have been used for several years by millions and never caused any disease outbreak are only today causing acute disease.
3. That these cases are not related to products that are generally used by the average vaper. The average age of adult vapers in the US is different from the average age of adults that have suffered from this acute condition. Also, the number of cases is very low considering the millions of vapers in the US and the many more millions globally.
4. That these cases are related to the recent release of new products (that were not previously available in the market), or to a recent modification in the composition of products previously available in the market, or to a recent problem in the manufacturing process or raw materials of products that were previously available in the market. This explains the timing of the outbreak. These products could be nicotine-containing or nicotine-free products (remember, we assume there is no information on THC/cannabis)."

 

If that is the case, we would have seen issues well before now. Even without other studies and evidence, a clear thinking individual could see this is BS.

 

New study released today: Modern "Scientists" and "Researchers" are really just "useful idiots".

 

Vaping is under siege.

 

That might be true IF there really were ill effects that could be greatly reduced. But there is no evidence that there are ill effects from PG or VG, and solid evidence that there are no ill effects. I think you are looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

 

I was in Kalamata last year,you are the kind driver that waited for me to pass the road?

 

I want to see the data on what percentage are "useful" idiots, what other idiot classifications were employed in the analysis, and what criteria were used to classify "useful" idiots from, say, Kardashian idiots.

 

If you read the study @Rossum posted above, it was done on rats with the opposite effect as the study you posted. And his posted study is definitely not influenced by current events, as it was done before vaping was a thing.

There could be long term effects, yes. But there have been people inhaling fog from a fog machine for years and years with no reported effects. It would be more likely that long term effects will show up from certain flavoring ingredients.

 

Sure I would use a safer base. But to say another base was safer they would need to show the level of harm involved with the existing base, and the new base. So far I don't think they have shown any level of harm from the bases we use, apart from the rat experiment you mentioned. Sure, there could be some harm arising from long term use, beyond the timeframe we have been using them for. People have been inhaling both PG and VG for a long time, but not in the quantities used by vapers, so we don't know.

The only other base I'm aware of is PEG (?). Sometimes used as an alternative to PG for people who are allergic or sensitive to PG. I don't know if any testing has been done on that. I've seen ads for CBD vaping liquid that use several other bases I had never heard of.

 

I agree @englishmick.

I have seen no credible evidence that vaping PG or VG has any long term health issues. How is anyone going to know when they have found something safer than that