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New bad...PG and VG... results in rats...comments?

Discussion in 'General Vaping Discussion' started by cvco, Sep 24, 2019.

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  1. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    SW VA
    One of the things I see in this study is:

    The device consists of an automatic battery, which provides 5 volts with a 1300-mAh capacity, and a cartomizer with a 2.5-ohm vertical heating coil and a 6-mL solvent capacity.

    Anyone wanna take a guess as to the coil temperature of a 2.5 ohm "cartomizer" run at 5 volts and what how much thermal decomposition of PG and VG there was under those conditions?

    @mikepetro to the white courtesy telephone please. :)
     
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  2. Horselady154

    Horselady154 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 15, 2013
    United States
    When I was smoking, I got bronchitis twice a year. After I stopped and started vaping, I haven't had it even once and that has been close to 8-9 years.
     
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  3. markfm

    markfm Aussie Pup Wrangler Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    V-squared-over-r gives 10w, well within the norms of what we were vaping back in 2010/2011. A 2.5 ohm carto on a buzz pro or provari. Of course they could always skew it by not providing a good liquid feed (too small a hole in the carto for the viscosity of the liquid)

    (Then again, my lungs are good and I've been vaping all that time, like you - maybe we're just supermen )
     
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  4. cvco

    cvco Full Member

    Nov 18, 2014
    Penang, Malaysia
    You were supposed to say, Oh! I was that mule! I remember that! :) I didnt wait for the mule to pass, I got out and took photos with him. He was grazing on the road and looked very healthy and well cared for. It was above Kalamata, that area were Germans have bought land and built nice homes. Whats wrong with me that I cant remember the name of the area. Fantastic views of the bay and city.
     
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  5. englishmick

    englishmick Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 25, 2014
    Naptown, Indiana
    This was a RAT study? Guess I should read it but it's late.
     
  6. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    The closest thing I measured was a iClear16 at 2.1 ohms, this 2.5 ohm coil would have burned even hotter. I estimated in the neighborhood of 550F+. Read my blogs for test methods and detailed data. I tested actual attys under actual puffing conditions.

    Actual temperatures inside a iClear16 while vaping | E-Cigarette Forum

    Aldehyde generation is a function of by products created relative to the amount of heat they exposed to.
    The hotter the atty the more bad stuff you get.

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    Formaldehyde Levels in a real atty under real conditions. | E-Cigarette Forum
     
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  7. cvco

    cvco Full Member

    Nov 18, 2014
    Penang, Malaysia
    Maybe its good that I posted the article, it gives a chance to see the progress of people and effects, if any.

    Maybe ECF can create a poll for all members about their health and time vaping and start sending results to news outlets around the country. Hammer them with something good. Hit them again and again. Look at Massachusetts today. Whats happening to counter it and public perception? Last thing we want is for vaping to go underground and black market.
     
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  8. vapdivrr

    vapdivrr ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 8, 2012
    sarasota,fl
    Well 8 years here . always a mtl rebuildable user in the 60vg range and its incredible how much I get sick less than when I was a smoker.....but in all those years only average about 2 to 3mls per day, so cannot speak for those who are vaping 10 to 20xs the amount juice....
     
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  9. Don29palms

    Don29palms Moved On ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
    coco added to ignore list.
     
  10. Georgia Boy

    Georgia Boy Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 28, 2019
    Atlanta Georgia
    So they did a study on Politicians then, I must have missed that one
     
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  11. Mark Spivey

    Mark Spivey Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 21, 2015
    Knoxville, TN
    Even if the base was water they would be attacking it!
     
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  12. NavyNut

    NavyNut Full Member

    Sep 22, 2013
    l'ange-gardien, qc
    So in that test the rats were vaping at 550f, wouldn't that be too high for vaping, I vape between 300-350f.
     
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  13. Mark Spivey

    Mark Spivey Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 21, 2015
    Knoxville, TN
    I think that's the point trying to be made.
     
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  14. Ultag

    Ultag New Member

    Sep 24, 2019
    Why is it just happening in the US. If VG/PG is a problem it would be happening worldwide.
     
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