I'm having issues as well - battery not lasting.
What does cleaning do, anyway? Is the dirt sucking up amps?
Where are my amps going?
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I'm having issues as well - battery not lasting.
What does cleaning do, anyway? Is the dirt sucking up amps?
Where are my amps going?
In a nutshell, all that crud can pretty drastically increase resistance in a circuit.
As a side note:
My Provari is my main mod and is used most days all day. I find that under that kind of use I need to take a qtip with a little rubbing alcohol and clean the center post in the connector about once a week.
I am somewhat befuddled at the various reported vape times people get from the Provari. An 18490 gets me through most of the day at about 3.7 to 3.9 volts depending on my mood. And I do vape 5 to 6 ml a day.
However: I do not have much experience using the unit at above 4.2 volts. Which would use a lot more power.
I would still like to see some more in depth data on the PWM/whatever circuit that the Provari uses. I vape a 2.5ohm atomizer at 5.7v, about 3-4mL/day, and I only replace the battery once in the evening each day.
The dirt is kind of a resistor in your circuit. The result is the battery appears to the ProVari to be at a lower voltage/lower state of charge than it actually is.
LOL Honestly I'd like to see datasheets with graphs for the chips used in the circuit. User collected data really only gives a general idea, because everyone vapes differently. Everything right down to the length of the draw would affect any collected data.
***Of course these data sheets are not available. I am mostly thinking out loud.
What fun would that be? Then we'd all run around like audiophiles comparing specs on a piece of paper as opposed to listening to music....
Even if you had the spec on the chip (you could open up the unit, get the part numbers and look them up), it would depend on how its configured..... I'm as much a gear head as anyone here... while we're all after the optimum vape but at some point, ya just gotta sit back and enjoy it...
Even if that data could be collected (it would be arduous to do so) - what would you do with it? you don't have it for any other device, and unless it came from a 3rd party, you couldn't compare it to anything from another manufacturer. Since we all vape differently (as you noted) the only tests that would mean anything to you would be yours. And would any of that data add or take away from your vaping expereinece?
LOL I know... I am just an overly curious person by nature. Me love some tech specs. lol. Like I said before, even at the way I vape, I only swap out a battery once each evening. I have a Provari Power battery and have never used it once yet. With that kind of battery life I'm a happy camper
LOL I know... I am just an overly curious person by nature. Me love some tech specs. lol. Like I said before, even at the way I vape, I only swap out a battery once each evening. I have a Provari Power battery and have never used it once yet. With that kind of battery life I'm a happy camper
I got to the same point- once I could get a full day out of the battery (and then some) it doesn't really matter- whenever I leave the house, I pop in a fresh battery - otherwise, I just vape until it starts blinking... I was trying to record run times and volumes but it's become too much of a PITA to keep track between multiple devices, different attys etc. Now,I only bother checking when I don't get a full day out of a battery.
I still keep an IMR and spare atty nearby (like in the car or in my back pack) when I leave home for any length of time. Seems like I only have problems when I don't have backup supplies on hand....
LOL I know... I am just an overly curious person by nature. Me love some tech specs. lol. Like I said before, even at the way I vape, I only swap out a battery once each evening. I have a Provari Power battery and have never used it once yet. With that kind of battery life I'm a happy camper
I have considered pulling mine apart after I purchase a second one. However, I've found myself in an ethics situation:
1. Do I feel that reverse engineering it and then telling everyone else about it is ethical? (currently the answer is "no")
2. I don't want to lose my warranty. (selfish)
1) no: not necessary.... end of day, what value would it provide to anyone? Mine came apart in an accident- I didn't bother looking for markings- the PCB has several components on it in addition to the processor. Not sure but I think it's a multilayer board... its not something you could easily breadboard - its not your run of the mill Voltage regulator with a few R/C/L circuits to set the ranges ... and then there's the programming - you'd have to reverse engineer that as well. I can promise you that alot went into the PCB design and you aren't going to easily reverse engineer it by following a few traces and looking up specs on a chip-
2) nothing wrong with being selfish ... it is tempting but as soon as you get the cap off, you'll wish you hadn't done that and be putting it back in....
IF anything- I'd be more interested in seeing scope traces of the output with different load/voltages- and possibly measuring the input voltage/& current along side so we could see what the demands are on the battery and resolve questions around the efficiency. Better to think of the ProVari as a black box.....I'm sure ProVape would welcome that kind of analysis..... as long as you're powering it with an approved battery via the battery contacts, there's almost no way to damage it electronically...
One of these days, I may splurge on one of those DSA digital scopes....but in the end, I'd rather buy another provari....
I hear you on getting the second Provari. It's in the mix for future purposes.
I'm also looking at getting a second Empire mod. But the Provari will come first I think.
A multi-layer PCB isn't scary to me. If you got the chip numbers, the programming needs no reverse engineering... just write your own programming.
I would breadboard it up without a PCB- just a couple of project boards. But to make it worth while, I would need a digital scope. I haven't had an oscilloscope in 20 years.
So I'll just budget the second Provari
But it *would* be interesting to take a scope to a Provari, Darwin, Buzz Pro, and Monkeyboxx just to see what the wave does or does not look like. And gauge which vapes like what and how.
I said DSA- I meand DSO - the USB ones that cost about $150 online.... there's also some old standard TEK scopes you can pick up on fleabay for around $100 but they take up space and if you want a picture you have to take one....
I'm in the same boat- although I always imagine what I could do if I had access... but don't really want to have more junk sitting around that never gets used..
That would indeed be interesting and much more relevant....
Seems like in the year since the Provari came out... 10 or 11, 2010, the Provari has held its position on top of the heap of high end PV's.
The first knock came around that batt use times were low, and it still is a concern, but additionally because Provape comes out with a longer lasting battery.
But seems like it's not that big of an issue anymore (with new spring fixing early blink times) as many of us have multiple high end PV's and we don't rely on one PV the whole day long. And if we do use one PV only, the new Provari Power batt is the answer.
With lots of people using tanks today, and people using PRovari as the standard to try new mods on, I'd say Provape is coming into a hugely successful first year with the Provari.
I have a couple, and both IMR and PP batts... I like using them all; P18500, IMR 18490, P18650 (provaripower), and IMR 18650.
The first knock came around that batt use times were low, and it still is a concern, but additionally because Provape comes out with a longer lasting battery.
But seems like it's not that big of an issue anymore (with new spring fixing early blink times) as many of us have multiple high end PV's and we don't rely on one PV the whole day long. And if we do use one PV only, the new Provari Power batt is the answer.
With lots of people using tanks today, and people using PRovari as the standard to try new mods on, I'd say Provape is coming into a hugely successful first year with the Provari.
I have a couple, and both IMR and PP batts... I like using them all; P18500, IMR 18490, P18650 (provaripower), and IMR 18650.
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