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MoonRose

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ROFL ... well one of them had posted a comment about smokers being drug addicts and that is was useless to try and talk to an addict about drug addiction. Kind of got my dander up with that comment of his, so I posted back asking if he drank coffee, tea or sodas? If so then he was a drug addict, addicted to caffiene. So far no response to that one.
 

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but I had to throw a different spin of bans here, I'm no lightweight meself, but they posted my comment.
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Well, ban ban ban. I'm sure your ancestors screamed burn the witch. So smokers smell, create increased health costs, cause themselves a higher chance of deadly deseases, attract the youth to an unhealthy life choice...... But let me ask, are any of those trying to make these bans overweight? You know fat. Because fat people smell worse than non fat people, fat people cost more to the health system than smokers, fat people cause themselves a greater chance of heart disease, cancer, pulmonary disease, diabeties the list just goes on. Also what about the children? They see fat people filling their pie holes and think that cool, I want to eat lots of tasty stuff too. Now you have fat kids everywhere. Fat people drive more and polute the air more because of it. So the first ban should be to ban fatties from the Smokefree Communities Coalition of Vanderburgh County. Because fatties are a far bigger menace to society than smokers.":evil:
 

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No, I was serious. We need to get folks who understand and believe in Tobacco Harm Reduction involved as members in these grass-roots groups. Their mission would be to correct the false information being disseminated by the nicotine prohibitionists.

Easier said than done for the most part. The people who are joining this particular regional group are tending to be the anti-smoking/tobacco/nicotine non-smoking or ex-smoker fanatics, they refuse to see or accept Tobacco Harm Reduction products as something that should be allowed. As far as the ex-smokers are concerned, if they managed to quit smoking and are nicotine free, then everyone else should be able to do that too. These people are literally equating and putting nicotine addiction in the same class as any hard drug addiction, and it is this particular mindset that they are infecting others with.
 

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I currently have four doctors that I see regularly... a heart specialist... a GP and a psychologist... and a neurologist... ALL of them see my vaping instead of smoking as a good thing. I've let them all know about the proposed bans and given them info on this site as well as passing on some of the other info I've found. All we can really do is keep talking to people. All four of my docs have said that the nicotine isn't the problem it's the ACT of SMOKING a burning leaf that's the problem. (and I know I'm preaching to the choir...but the choir is listening!)
 
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I support protecting people’s air space from dangerous concentrations of unhealthy fumes whether they originate from smoking or from transportation, shipping, personal vehicles, factories, power plants, chemical/petroleum refineries, aircraft, ships, fireplaces, BBQs, candles, incense, cheap perfumes, volcanoes, on and on. However, I do not support fanaticism. Often, well meaning special interest groups can not seem to compromise to the point of being self-defeating. If you are really interested in providing assistance for smokers to quit, consider this: Smokeless tobacco products (Snus, E Cigarettes, etc.) have proven to be a much safer alternative to smoking and many nicotine addicted smokers have made the switch to them. Since they do not burn or otherwise produce smoke, smokeless tobacco products not only reduce the harm to the consumer, they do not threaten anyone else. FDA approved smoking cessation products (with or without counseling) have a miniscule success rate. Rather than futilely insisting that all tobacco usage be stamped out (good luck with that approach), how about embracing multiple approaches; quitting smoking or Tobacco Harm Reduction as the next best thing. If the same fanaticism I’ve witnessed were applied to transportation exhausts, diesel school buses would be banned; they expose the children to fumes that have been directly related to lung diseases. In the words of Abraham Maslow “If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.”
 

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Easier said than done for the most part. The people who are joining this particular regional group are tending to be the anti-smoking/tobacco/nicotine non-smoking or ex-smoker fanatics, they refuse to see or accept Tobacco Harm Reduction products as something that should be allowed. As far as the ex-smokers are concerned, if they managed to quit smoking and are nicotine free, then everyone else should be able to do that too. These people are literally equating and putting nicotine addiction in the same class as any hard drug addiction, and it is this particular mindset that they are infecting others with.

When they trot out the "You're an addict" accusation. I ask, "When was the last time you heard of someone being arrested for Driving Under the Influence of Nicotine? It hasn't happened and never will because nicotine doesn't impair motor skills, concentration, judgment, and memory. It actually enhances these.

You can't put it into the same basket with recreational drugs that people use to escape reality."
 

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When they trot out the "You're an addict" accusation. I ask, "When was the last time you heard of someone being arrested for Driving Under the Influence of Nicotine? It hasn't happened and never will because nicotine doesn't impair motor skills, concentration, judgment, and memory. It actually enhances these.

You can't put it into the same basket with recreational drugs that people use to escape reality."


Hehe ... I'll have to add that one to my growing arsenal of logical responses. I've often found that logic and straight forward facts work best with those who are still on the fence about things. And it will occassionally turn a fanatic around as well, just takes a lot more logic and facts with them is all.:2cool:
 

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When they trot out the "You're an addict" accusation. I ask, "When was the last time you heard of someone being arrested for Driving Under the Influence of Nicotine? It hasn't happened and never will because nicotine doesn't impair motor skills, concentration, judgment, and memory. It actually enhances these.

You can't put it into the same basket with recreational drugs that people use to escape reality."

Great points, Elaine!

Not only that, but when has anyone been mugged to pay for a junkie's nicotine addiction? When has someone lost their job, become homeless, prostituted themselves, starved themselves or sold all of their belongings to support their nicotine addiction?

To equate nicotine "addicts" (nicotine "addiction" has never been completely substantiated/accepted as fact) with street drug or even pharma drug addicts is completely asinine.

How many of those addicts quit "cold turkey," compared with how many nicotine users are able to quit?

I know people who can't make it through the day without caffeine - a Starbucks coffee costs nearly $5, a lot more than my e-liquid - yet no one bats an eye at that. I know many others who drink caffeinated soda all day long.

There are negative addiction - in which the negative impact on the life of the user outweighs the positive - and positive addictions - in which the benefits of use outweigh the negatives.

The wholesale negative connotations associated with the word "addiction" is severely biased to only certain behaviors and completely unwarranted for others.
 

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I say we do the same thing the Open-Carry organization does. Come out of the closet and vape in public openly! These groups have already decided their opinion of us, but, what of the general population that doesn't know about e-cigs? They're the people we want to influence and get on our side even if they don't vape or smoke. If we can convince the random population of what e-cigs are and how they've helped us, more people will wonder why other people are trying to ban them since they've talked to us on the street and heard our sucess stories. Normal people will wonder why if these things have helped so many people, why would someone want to make them illegal?:confused:
 
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