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I probably got you beat in the less-of-a-life department. So yeAA! I still win!!! .....wait....
Seriously though, I hope Hotrod ends up using a lot of what you write - and puts it into a helpfile or PDF or something. Or maybe you two could collaborate on writing up something more 'official'.
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But speaking of people measuring by weight.. One thing still puzzles the hell out of me:
Don't most of you get most of your flavors in either 4 or 16oz containers (which don't usually have droppers)?
Heck, even my 'testers' tend to be 4oz. I figure I could always do something with them if they weren't that great. Kinda like Fresh03 from Youtube, but I'm not nearly that good at it.
So don't you end up needing to use separate syringes anyways? So as not to be wasteful using disposable pipettes and whatnot.
At least with the measuring by volume in my glass syringes, I can limit the number I need to use by ordering my adding of flavors from least potent/conflicting to more potent/conflicting.. And by measuring carefully, so as not to have any need to squirt out any excess (or certainly not much).
By potent/conflicting, I mean like going from Bavarian Creme, to Cream Cheese Icing, and then to Cinnamon Roll. I would only use 1 syringe in such a case. If any [small bit] of the former flavors commingled with the latter ones - it might only make them better.
No problem @IDJoel. I was using the standard installation on both a laptop and a tablet with the .xml being shared by both in a One Drive folder. The problem I was having is if I made a batch on one computer (tablet) and hit the Make Recipe button, the steep times would not show up on the second computer. Inventory, Rating and Last Made date were updated between computers but not the steep times. By using the portable i was hoping to circumvent that little problem.
I still win!!! .....wait....
Thank you for the kind words. I have given HotRod my permission to use my posts in any way he finds useful (like lining the canary's cage
) and he has re-purposed one of my previous posts. We have also privately talked about other ways I might contribute. But I won't discuss this further in the public thread as we have no time-frames and I'm not even sure how useful it is going to be (my early efforts are quickly revealing that I know even less about the software than I was already freely admitting! 
)I can't speak for anyone else (and I think we are getting off the topic of the calculator so I'll keep my reply short... and I still deserve to be slapped for being off topic) but, for me alone; "Good heavens NO!" I have right around 270 flavors at the moment and exactly 3 (that's t, h, r, e, e; "three") are 4 oz... and one of those was gifted to me by someone else who didn't care for it. Everything else is 30mL and smaller.
But, I do still have the same problem you describe with many of my small 8 and 10mL "trial" bottles as they are the glass vials and neither have drip tops, or eye droppers, and can't be squeezed. So "yes" I do have to use another means to transfer them to my mixing bottle. I happen to use the disposable pipettes and simply rinse in a cup of hot water and reuse.
I have never been one who has promoted "measure by weight" as "easier, fast, less to clean up, or more accurate/precise." I chose to go the "way of weigh" simply for the reason that it suits my crumby eyes and shaky hands better than working with the small graduations (or having to guess-ta-mate between graduations) on a syringe and difficult draws of thick VG. Personal preference... that's all. It is what works best for me, and I will never apologize for it, but neither will I ever try to convince anyone else that they "should" do it that way "too." Find what works for you and do it that way. If you want to discuss it further we should probably take it to a new thread.
I won't even comment on "contamination" in this thread. There is nothing that I can tie that to the topic of HR's Juice Calculator. (I'm not scolding you; I am only reminding myself that this thread isn't the right thread.)If any [small bit] of the former flavors commingled with the latter ones - it might only make them better.
Cool beans.
If no one else has an answer, hopefully @HotRod19579 will be feeling better and be able to type again soon, then you can get your answer from the Pro. (He did mention that it could be several weeks recovery so I am sure he appreciates everyone baring with him.) HotRod will return!Ehh.. I figure weights are something that could weigh heavily into someone choosing this calculator over others. So not too OT. Another popular calculator that I started with before finally finding this gem, that shall remain nameless
, only had consideration for one item's weight - and that was it. But this calc goes above and beyond that into weight calculations. (just as it does for pretty much everything else in this amazing calc)But I can certainly relate to the part about crappy eyes and shaky hands. I will often find myself using my pair of high-magnification reading glasses that I got for close work with electronics - and now use for coil-wick building & maintenance, along with reading the graduations on a 1ml syringe. For pulling up VG into a 30ml glass syringe though, I'll sometimes even take the 12ga tip off. But then again I usually do 80pg/20vg, so there's not much VG to add. However, I've started to use the scale for when making ~480ml of an unflavored base, to make test batches with.. Even without a tip, pulling up that much VG is no fun!
So now I pour instead, thanks to this calc. (...See how I tied this into being on topic, there.. sorta.. )Awesome! You are a better word smith than I am! I tip my hat to you my friend.(...See how I tied this into being on topic, there.. sorta..
That site reported no issues. I ignored McAfee WebAdvisor's warning and continued with the download. I think it was just a generic warning about downloading files.
Idjoel, don't sell yourself short. You have been an invaluable resource in this thread. I find your discussions very easy to follow and right on target.
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Dumb question, but is it allowed to upload a recipe file? Since I'm lousy at creating my own mixes, I finally finished typing in a PDF of TFA only recipes from one of the mega-threads (about 200 or so recipes... I believe it came from this site originally) and thought it might be useful for other people.
The PDF is a collection from the threads, and is listed as "Public Domain Use Only", but didn't know if it would be ok to put on here or not. The exported XML is about 3.6meg (87k zipped. Sheesh)
As an aside, this program continues to be one of the best things I've ever found in my entire life. Thank you!
PS. Talking about the "Export to Juice File" XML file, not the PDF I got them from. Just re-read what I typed and was a bit confusing
The PDF is a collection from the threads, and is listed as "Public Domain Use Only", but didn't know if it would be ok to put on here or not. The exported XML is about 3.6meg (87k zipped. Sheesh)
As an aside, this program continues to be one of the best things I've ever found in my entire life. Thank you!
PS. Talking about the "Export to Juice File" XML file, not the PDF I got them from. Just re-read what I typed and was a bit confusing
Hi @Weslocke, no such thing as a dumb question other than the ones we DON'T ask. I personally feel that you are being both wise AND respectful asking BEFORE you might unintentionally violate an ECF policy. As for your question; I don't know. I will "report" your post with the hopes that the Admins/Mods can explain what ECF policy is on file sharing (I don't recall reading anything regarding file sharing it the Rules threads). Because it is being created via HotRod's Juice Calculator I can see it being appropriate to this thread (though Admin may prefer it in the DIY Recipes sub-forum; in which case you can then add a link here to that thread) but I am not sure how file size effects things.
I have seen others share bulk recipe files using a cloud-based link to something like Drop Box. This might be an option if the file size is too large for ECF servers.
Is this from @paddymx's TFA recipe compilation of the TFA Recipes Only thread? I think that would by ECF material and should not violate any quoting or copyrighting policies ECF has. I would just be sure to include a statement that credits your original source/author/file location so no one misinterprets it as you presenting your own original recipes.
Thank you for clarifying. I didn't know and I didn't want to encourage behavior that went against ECF policy.
While we might have an admin's attention here.. What about a separate subforum for JuiceCalculator?
I think it could surely warrant one due to its sheer detailed complexity, and I don't think Hotrod should need to setup his own forum site if there's already this one. I'd rather have him work on improving this amazing calculator, even further.
Other's, such as EJ-Me-U, are very simple calculators by comparison - but even a subforum for that one, if wanted/needed. (I don't want it to seem like I'm knocking that one, as it's much better geared for new mixers due to its simplicity.) And as I don't think there are that many calcs out there, it would be reasonable to do for those calcs as well - at least if requested.
Seeing how integral that recipe calculators are to vaping, it would certainly be prudent, IMO.
Plus it might help newbies better than having to wade through 150 pages of messages to learn more about a calculator like this (like I recently got done doing). And that way IDJoel's detailed instructions could be put into stickies!
Doubtful. We're always on the lookout for ways to reduce the number of forums on ECF. Last time I counted, there were over 400. Creating another for just one or two calculators isn't in the cards.
In that case here you go, this is simply (not quite) all of the recipes from the Paddymx file that was posted a couple of years ago here on ECF where TFA only recipes had been compiled.
Here's a link where IDJoel is talking about it: The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread
I don't know if this will help anyone or not, but it might save a lot of typing.
The ZIP file contains both the exported XML file as well as the original PDF.
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PS. Full disclosure I did skip a few recipes here and there that use drops instead of percentages, or really esoteric ingredients. Also I don't know if my defaults will come through, but if so my saves are 60mg nic PG, 70/30 VG/PG mix with a default of 5ml of 4mg as my testers. You can change them to suit, obviously.
Here's a link where IDJoel is talking about it: The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread
I don't know if this will help anyone or not, but it might save a lot of typing.
The ZIP file contains both the exported XML file as well as the original PDF.
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PS. Full disclosure I did skip a few recipes here and there that use drops instead of percentages, or really esoteric ingredients. Also I don't know if my defaults will come through, but if so my saves are 60mg nic PG, 70/30 VG/PG mix with a default of 5ml of 4mg as my testers. You can change them to suit, obviously.
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What about just ONE. Simply called something like "Calculators (online or otherwise)".. Which could encompass them all, from EJMU to JC to Juice Grinder to online calcs like ELR and such. I'm sure there would be other people like IDJoel willing to create a sticky that equates abbreviations to full calc names (even as they are learned) - and encourage people to put those as the first part of the subject line (or even just the full calc name, at its simplest).
Anyhoo, I could certainly understand if you don't.. I didn't realize there were already over 400 subforums.
Food for thought, at least.
ETA: Or maybe simply a sticky to encourage abbreviations for such in this already existing subforum. It's just that I get tired of coming across threads of 150, 700, 1400 , or 7000(IIRC) pages. The OCD in me itches to read them all.
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I get what you're saying. But has anyone contacted Hotrod (the developer I guess)? It does seem like rather than having the app calculate VG/PG up front, to have VG/PG part of the recipe would be the way it should work.
I'm not particularly glued to this app, in fact I haven't quite figured it out yet. Can anyone recommend another app that can do this in a simpler way while also storing the recipe?
It's an easy enough calculation. It would be nice though to have one app to store all of my recipes rather than having some of them scribbled on paper sticky notes that will disappear . . . or in different calculators.
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Most my testers are 15ml and what I use to vape are either 30, 50, and one or two 120ml.
When I get larger volumes of flavorings I transfer them into glass 30ml bottles with dripper tops and refill if necessary. This makes my storage on the shelf of my ingredients nice and I don't have oversized bottles competing for space with little bottles. Since I don't make a lot of large batches often, nothing larger than 30ml in the ingredient size is needed to be readily handy. So for me there is no need for syringes or pipettes.
Another thing that would be nice to be able to do is take multiple premixed nics and mix them to produce a desired (or at least known) nic and VG/PG level, for example if I have a bottle of 50VG 18 mg/L and a bottle of 70VG 24 mg/L, what else should I add to get to 60VG 18 mg/L. As it is currently you can't add more than one nicotine.
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