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Thanks - it does make sense now. I used to do tech support and I don't know how many times I asked people to read the whole screen, and then I don't do it myself. :oops:
No worries! I am glad it makes sense for you now... that's all that is important. :D
Mostly I just use my prepared base and get close enough that I don't need to add PG or VG, since with my base in a dispenser (ketchup style) bottle all I need are my scale, the base, and the flavors. Very easy on my wonky hands.
That is what it is all about. Discovering what works best for you and then using that. There is no right or wrong way... only the "best" way for you! I'm glad you have found your way.
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I am not sure what it is that I am looking at in your screen shot. It appears to be part of an overlay window (which I can't identify... what is it?) along with the bottom center section (Results section) of the main (recipe) screen.
Would you mind posting a screenshot of the entire main recipe screen? You are welcome to block out the flavor names, and title, if you are trying to protect your recipe.
 

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I tried adding the premix in the app as a new ingredient but found I can't remove the VG and PG lines in the ingredients rows and they can't be set to zero. Is this possible?
Short answer is "No."

The reason is that the PG and VG lines are how the desired end ratio (PG/VG ratio) is set for the recipe. Then, based on what the carriers are defined as for the nicotine line, and flavor lines; the PG and VG lines are then used to reach (add as needed) the target ratio. So, no, these can not be set to zero.

The problem is that this calculator is designed to cater to mixers who have a specific goal in mind (e.g. "I want a finished recipe that is 6mg/mL nic strength and has a 40/60 PG/VG ratio.") as apposed to this is what I am starting with and I want to know what the finished result is going to be.

To do what you you describe here:
It's 50/50 VG/PG with 18 mg/L nic and I want to add 3% of a flavor concentrate.
You might be better off using one of the "Simple Calculators" HotRod has included under the "Tools" tab (Tools->Simple Calculators->Determine nicotine and PG/VG levels after mixing several liquids). Then input your info similar to what I did here:
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You can then take the highlighted info and plug it into the actual recipe like so:
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  • I plugged the same values for PG and VG percentages and the recipe now calls for no extra addition of either. (green highlights)
  • I did have to tweak the Target Nicotine (yellow highlight) a bit to remove a "warning" of unable to add enough nicotine. I am guessing this is simply because a different ruonding value was used for the simple calculator vs. the recipe calculator and that should (?) be a simply correction for @HotRod19579 so this does not need to be done in the future.
  • Make sure you set up your nic base correctly. Here is a shot of the one I set you for this example:
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Make sure you fill in correct values for (at least) the highlighted areas and MAKE SURE to check the Nicotine button for the Ingredient Type so your base will be available to select on your nicotine line. Also, PLEASE note that this is NOT the correct weight for this base... I was too lazy to look it up or work it out longhand. :D If you are going to measure by volume it doesn't matter, but if you are going to measure by weight, this is critical.

I hope this helps! :D
 
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I'm having a slight issue with the calculator... I can open it but if I hit any button (including the close, or save) or if I attempt to drop down the list of recipes I have... even if I attempt to edit the note area, the program freezes. Last time I opened the program (a day or two ago), everything worked fine.
I'll be rebooting my puter and see if it clears up, but really strange...

EDIT:
Re-booting the computer did correct the issue, first time I've rebooted it this year...
 
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I'm having a slight issue with the calculator... I can open it but if I hit any button (including the close, or save) or if I attempt to drop down the list of recipes I have... even if I attempt to edit the note area, the program freezes. Last time I opened the program (a day or two ago), everything worked fine.
I'll be rebooting my puter and see if it clears up, but really strange...

EDIT:
Re-booting the computer did correct the issue, first time I've rebooted it this year...
I don't know your computer background but it is highly recommended to do Windows updates for security reasons.
A lot of them will require a reboot but that's a small price for the security.
 

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The correct amount is when I press Flavor %, the incorrect amount is unfortunately the results window.
Sorry @Maxwinder, I failed to tag you, or quote your previous posting of this screen shot; message #2962 should have been directed to you.
I will repost here for continuity's sake:
"I am not sure what it is that I am looking at in your screen shot. It appears to be part of an overlay/secondary window (which one I can't identify... what is it?) along with the bottom center section (Results section) of the main (recipe) screen.
Would you mind posting a screenshot of the entire main recipe screen? You are welcome to block out/obscure the flavor names, and title, if you are trying to protect your recipe." Please leave individual percentages visible. Thanks.

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OK, I finally clued myself in to the "Flavor %" tab... sometimes I can be a bit slow.:facepalm:

Give me a bit to play with that window (I haven't messed with that one before) and see if I can recreate your results. I would still appreciate a full screen shot of just your recipe (main) page. Thanks.
 
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OK @Maxwinder,
I have taken one of my existing recipes and plugged in the values that your limited screen shot provides. It is an 11 ingredient recipe with 8mg/mL nic and a 30/70 PG/VG ratio. I used the only percentages you provided:
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(screen capture of your screen capture)

I don't think what the specific flavor ingredients are should matter. This is what the calculator gave me for the main recipe page:
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I am unable to get the two windows to disagree. If I keep the each flavor's ratio the same to all the others, and lower the overall percentage to 17.20%, the the individual percentages change to this:
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But I could not get the Flavor % window to show one value while having the main recipe window show something different unless I manually changed the total percent value of the Flavor % window using the up/down buttons (
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) which will automatically change the values in the far right column (and thus leave a discrepancy between the two window). It will only apply these changes to the actual recipe if you then click the "Apply" button at the bottom of the Flavor % window.

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I hope that helps. :D
 

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i really love your calculator, tested a few but it really fits my needs perfectly (most lacked grams.... )

- what iam missing is an option to set the purchase date to current date by default (upon entering a new ingredient)

- also an option to change the sorting of Ingredients might come handy -> order by Name or Manufacturer.
Maybe even Vendor or Dated added if that information is stored somewhere, but if there are more then two ways ppl. might also want a 2nd sort option - i.e. sort by vendor then manu (then name) VS vendor then name (then manu)

- on adding an ingredient maybe an optional box where you can filter between: Flavor, Nicotine, Other. i guess PG and VG filters won´t be needed.

- also is there a way to mix with premade bases (i.e. if you got a "80/20base" and "nicotine" + aroma and wanna mix with with these 3.
 
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HI IDJoel!!
I was making screenshots preparing to respond with more pics and comparing both columns like you did , and I discovered a stupid mistake on my part. It was that one of my flavors...was NOT marked a Flavor in inventory. It had been marked as "Other" in my inventory. This is totally my fault. I do appreciate you looking at this for me. The program is amazing for a new mixer, unfortunately my mistake caused this issue. Once I changed the ingredient type to "flavor", everything was as it should be.
Thanks again and sorry to lead you down this road.

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- what iam missing is an option to set the purchase date to current date by default (upon entering a new ingredient)
New Calculator to try
(found using Search Box and searched for "purchase date" and limited search to this thread.)
- also an option to change the sorting of Ingredients might come handy -> order by Name or Manufacturer.
Maybe even Vendor or Dated added if that information is stored somewhere, but if there are more then two ways ppl. might also want a 2nd sort option - i.e. sort by vendor then manu (then name) VS vendor then name (then manu)
Open the ingredient editor (Edit->Ingredient Editor) all columns are sort-able by clicking on the column's heading (once for a-z/low-high. click again for z-a/high-low), except the two blue columns (due to their drop-down qualities), so HotRod has added those two as duplicate columns with the currant value only to the far right of the editor that is sort-able.
I am unaware of a way to include a secondary sort criteria at this time but usually the first one gets me close enough for my needs. If HotRod sees enough users wanting it he may see what he can do.
- on adding an ingredient maybe an optional box where you can filter between: Flavor, Nicotine, Other. i guess PG and VG filters won´t be needed.
Not sure what you are wanting to do. The line definitions (Nicotine, PG, VG, Flavors):
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are already filtering what ingredients are select-able. On the Nicotine line I can only view ingredients I marked as "Nicotine," the PG line I can only view ingredients marked as "PG," the VG line I can only view ingredients marked as "VG," and the flavor lines will only display ingredients marked as "Flavors" or "Other."
- also is there a way to mix with premade bases (i.e. if you got a "80/20base" and "nicotine" + aroma and wanna mix with with these 3.
You can do this by creating a new Nicotine ingredient that is actually your unflavored base. Just enter your correct PG, VG, and nicotine values, click on the "Nicotine" as Ingredient Type, and adjust the weight (if you measure by weight) and save.

Then, when you create a new recipe, or want to use this unflavored base in an existing recipe, just select that base as your "Nicotine." (Note: you still want your PG and VG lines to reflect the recipe's overall ratio(30/70, 50/50, 60/40,...). The calculator will take into account that there is both PG and VG in the nicotine base and adjust the amount to add correctly.) Refer to the last screen shot in message #2963 above (this page) for a visual.
 
A small issue I hope somebody could help me figure out.

I installed the portable version in a One Drive folder for continuity. For some reason when I go to set the backup location, I get a "directory does not exist" flag. This happens for every folder I try to designate, local or remote, including the default folder created by the installation. I tried running it as an Administrator but that did nothing. Any help would be appreciated!

EDIT: The flag actually reads... "Default directory does not exist".
 
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1. thx for the reply, just entering T is easy enough (don´t need preset) and it will do the job, i used the search but somehow missed it.

2. filtering and sorting for the type really make close to no sense (on add ingredient) since there are just flavors ... maybe just by manufacture, sorry again should have looked at it a day later then i would have realized it.

3. thanks for pointing me to the editor its quite useful for me, just some minor things came up which bugged me:
3.1 you have to enter % in addition to the numbers on the first 3 fields and since just % is allowed and it would be faster if you just had to enter the number -> tab.
3.2 T and so on won´t work there on date
3.3 you can´t delete an ingredient which you used entered -> Error: "Ingredient could not be removed, not found" you have to close (so its gets saved i guess) and open it again -> delete.
3.4 grams/ml won´t be auto calculated there (and on ingredients -> new) i know not all people will measure by weight but i think that wouldn't hurt anyone.

4. explanation what i "wanted" :)
since we won´t be able to buy anything with nicotine bigger then 10ml (in the EU) but still can buy premade bases of pg/vg i wanted to mix some old leftover premade pg/vg bases and change the nic or pg/vg level, i.e. get a finished "50/50 6mg" base to -> "70/30 and 3mg" by adding vg or pg and nic or the other way around where i didn´t found a way since you can just have pg/vg/nic once in the calculation.
but since the new items will be pure pg or vg its not that big of a problem.

thanks again for your answers, and i really loved the program entered yesterday like 50 flavors (sadly didn´t found out about T or the editor ;) ).
i hope its ok i didn't quote your whole post but since it would have been a wall of text thought its better that way.
 
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A small issue I hope somebody could help me figure out.

I installed the portable version in a One Drive folder for continuity.
Just so no one else is sitting back waiting to see what "Joel's gonna say"... I got nuthun! I am afraid I have not/do not use the portable version so I have no idea how to offer any help. Hopefully someone else can offer up something useful, or maybe @HotRod19579's hand will let him start typing again soon.

I am sorry I'm not any help. :(
 
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3.1 you have to enter % in addition to the numbers on the first 3 fields and since just % is allowed and it would be faster if you just had to enter the number -> tab.
You are correct that the Ingredient Editor has some idiosyncrasies. When HotRod originally started to develop this program, he did not intend the editor to be an end-user component, for it is indeed the heart and soul of your ingredient file (and an inexperienced user can quickly corrupt his/her ingredients and recipes if they don't know what they are doing). Instead, using the Juice Calculator as a "skin" or interface, have the end-user populate it via the "Ingredient" tab and corresponding window.

But, somewhere along the development, he decided to give us access directly to it.

I personally ony use it to "view" ingredients, and not to add, or adjust, ingredients. It can be helpful when I want to see what flavors I have by a particular vendor, or if I want to find a particular flavor but cant remember how I named it ("I know I have an Flavor Art strawberry but it isn't with my srawberries." go to ingredient editor, sort by manufacturer, and there it is... "Ah ha! I have it listed as Red Touch!").

But when I want to add, change, adjust, or delete an ingredient... I do it through the Ingredient tab. It will have the warnings and cautions that I am about to mess up my recipes and such that the Ingredient Editor doesn't offer.
3.2 T and so on won´t work there on date
Correct. This is some that HodRod only added last June(?). And then he only added it to the ingredient Purchase Date, and Last Made On Date (main recipe screen). I don't know if that is some he can, or would be willing to, add to the Ingredient editor. I am not even remotely knowledgeable about programming so I won't pretend to understand or know.
3.3 you can´t delete an ingredient which you used entered -> Error: "Ingredient could not be removed, not found" you have to close (so its gets saved i guess) and open it again -> delete.
I am guessing that is just another one of those idiosyncrasies I spoke about in 3.1. I imagine that is just one to live with or make the deletion from the Ingredients window.
3.4 grams/ml won´t be auto calculated there (and on ingredients -> new) i know not all people will measure by weight but i think that wouldn't hurt anyone.
I believe HodRod did this intentionally. Those of us who do weigh; have several different ways of assigning values. Some will use "standard definitions" of related weights, others like to use specific "manufacturer defined" definitions, and others still will weigh each and every ingredient individually.

I believe that HotRod decided, rather than upset two of the three mention groups by arbitrarily picking one of the three methods, chose to not auto populate and let the user decide what works best for them.

You can however, via Tools->Options->Ingredients defauls, set a default value for "Grams per mL" as well as many other fields that might be repetitive:
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4. explanation what i "wanted" :)
since we won´t be able to buy anything with nicotine bigger then 10ml (in the EU) but still can buy premade bases of pg/vg i wanted to mix some old leftover premade pg/vg bases and change the nic or pg/vg level, i.e. get a finished "50/50 6mg" base to -> "70/30 and 3mg" by adding vg or pg and nic or the other way around where i didn´t found a way since you can just have pg/vg/nic once in the calculation.
but since the new items will be pure pg or vg its not that big of a problem.
One of many features that many new users are not aware of are the simple calculators:
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Play with these a bit and I bet you will find one that provies the info you want.
thanks again for your answers,
Happy to help. HotRod, and many other users, have given me plenty of help so I am only trying to pass it along.:D
i hope its ok i didn't quote your whole post but since it would have been a wall of text thought its better that way.
You are welcome to post in any manner that works best for you (and stays within ECF rules and guidelines).

I have been posting a lot on this thread recently only because I have less of a life than the other readers (and therefore more free time to reply), and I know that HotRod has recently been through some surgery that makes typing difficult while he recuperates. I have no special knowledge, I have NOT been appointed by HotRod, I AM just a "do-good-er" who is trying to be helpful. That doesn't mean that I am automatically right and it doesn't mean that my suggestions are "best." I would encourage you to listen to, and experiment with, any and all alternative ideas. And I always welcome corrections to any incorrect information I may share out of my own ignorance.:D

I do tend to use lots of quotes because I personally find it helpful when others do it. It saves me having to go back and find the previous post to understand what is being discussed. But that is just me. I have never seen a "rule" that says anyone has to do it that way.;)

I know I tend to over-complicate, over-describe, and over-document my posts. I am horribly ....-retentive, and am always trying to second-guess what questions I am creating for the reader, and so I try to answer them preemptively. That is my hang-up and I do not suggest that anyone else has to do it my way.:facepalm:

Because I see you are new to ECF, I will offer one quoting tip which you may already know and are welcome to ignore: you can highlight just a portion of a post (the usual left mouse click+drag) and you will see an option pop up that says "quote|reply."(
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) Clicking on "reply" will automatically copy the highlighted section to your new post window and you can start writing. Clicking on quote will add the highlighted section to a temporary notepad. You can "quote as many sections (even from multiple posts within the thread) as you want. When you are done highlighting, go down to your new post window and you will see a blue box on the bottom left that says "Insert Quotes." Click on that and it will open a temporary window that displays all your current quotes and give you the opportunity to delete any you no longer want. When you are ready click on "Quote These Messages" and they will all be pasted into your reply with a open line separating each one (which makes inserting your own new text between each one easy... just start writing on the blank line). That is how I quoted your last two posts.

you where to me :thumbs: , sorry if it felt otherwise.
Not at all! My apology was strictly to Dugga because I didn't have a helpful answer to his/her question. We are "all good!":D
 

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