NEW CDC STUDY OFFICIALLY DEBUNKS ‘VAPING AND FORMALDEHYDE’ MYTH

[Katdarling]

and a few other important words - spectrum and degrees.

Adding my 2 cents to the others. We've got like 6 now.

 

[DPLongo22]

Adding my 2 cents to the others. We've got like 6 now.

We used to be able to get bubble gum for (like) a nickel.

 

[Opinionated]

Why would it Not Matter to Long Term Smokers?

If a Long Term Smoker decides to Reduce Potential Harm by using an e-Cigarette, and if something in e-Cigarette use could be an Avoidable Risk, wouldn't a Reasonable person at least want to know about it?

BTW - How long does someone have to Smoke to be a "Long Term Smoker"?

You will never be the same as a never smoker.. sorry to say. Sucking on cancer sticks for over a decade guaranteed that. Most lung cancer patients get cancer over a decade after quitting smoking..

It's up to you if you want to try to reduce as much risk as possible - but if your going to do that and not just waste money on toys, I would think it would behoove you to demand scientific studies of the highest caliber, and not just those that make you feel good about what your doing.

 

[zoiDman]

I guess it comes down to the difference between the words "reduce" and "eliminate". I'm in the "reduce" camp, which is obvious from my choice to vape. I think that those inclined to need more than that might likely fall into the "Just retire" model, so often cited by the late, great Thurman Munson.

That's just my opinion, of course, and I remain totally comfortable with vaping, in all its offered glory (and options).

Eliminating many Risks is Simple. Just Don't Do it.

Reducing Risk can be a More Complex concept.

 

[DPLongo22]

Eliminating many Risks is Simple. Just Don't Do it.

Reducing Risk can be a More Complex concept.

Precisely.

 

[Katdarling]

Eliminating many Risks is Simple. Just Don't Do it.

Just don't vape.


Eh?

 

[zoiDman]

You will never be the same as a never smoker.. sorry to say. Sucking on cancer sticks for over a decade guaranteed that. Most lung cancer patients get cancer over a decade after quitting smoking..

It's up to you if you want to try to reduce as much risk as possible - but if your going to do that and not just waste money on toys, I would think it would behoove you to demand scientific studies of the highest caliber, and not just those that make you feel good about what your doing.

Never said I would be a Never Smoker. Don't even know what that has to do with Anything?

And I would think Anyone would want Scientific Studies of the Highest Caliber. Even those who are Seeking any form of Risk Reduction.

Like it or Not, PG and or VG does break down into Formaldehyde at Elevated Temperatures. Now what someone decides to do with that Knowledge is up to the Individual.

I just Don't Understand why you think this Knowledge would be something a Long Term Smoker might Not want to Know?

 

[zoiDman]

Just don't vape.


Eh?

Why would one want to do that if the Alternative is to go Back to Smoking?

 

[Opinionated]

Never said I would be a Never Smoker. Don't even know what that has to do with Anything?

And I would think Anyone would want Scientific Studies of the Highest Caliber. Even those who are Seeking any for of Risk Reduction.

Like it or Not, PG and or VG does break down into Formaldehyde at Elevated Temperatures. Now what someone decides to do with that Knowledge is up to the Individual.

I just Don't Understand why you think this Knowledge would be something a Long Term Smoker might want to Know?

I've already given my breakdown of why I don't trust the current studies.

In my opinion we do NOT have trustworthy peer reviewed actual repeatable and falsifiable scientific studies atm.

You want to base all you do off this? It's to make you feel good.. it's not because we have as of yet any real science behind it.

Just saying. Enjoy your happy feel good your doing something positive feelings, but avoid telling new vapers it's science..because I'm not seeing any of that yet.

 

[zoiDman]

I've already given my breakdown of why I don't trust the current studies.

In my opinion we do NOT have trustworthy peer reviewed actual repeatable and falsifiable scientific studies atm.

You want to base all you do off this? It's to make you feel good.. it's not because we have as of yet any real science behind it.

Just saying. Enjoy your happy feel good your doing something positive feelings, but avoid telling new vapers it's science..because I'm not seeing any of that yet.

I'm not Basing Anything on Anything. Because I'm Not Telling Anyone to do Anything.

If you want to Dispute the Fact that PG and VG will Form Formaldehyde at elevated Temperatures, that Cool. But that's been Known for a Long Time before e-Cigarettes were ever Invented.

All I ever Wanted to know was why you Think none of this Matters to Long Term Smokers. But you keep Moving the Goal Posts.

 

[Opinionated]

I'm not Basing Anything on Anything. Because I'm Not Telling Anyone to do Anything.

If you want to Dispute the Fact that PG and VG will Form Formaldehyde at elevated Temperatures, that Cool. But that's been Known for a Long Time before e-Cigarettes were ever Invented.

Is it dangerous levels at what temperatures your average vapor vapes at when they are not using TC?

You simply don't know. There is aldehydes and formaldehyde in the air all around us, in the city and in our homes we are breathing it in.. so there is obviously an acceptable level..

We need real studies.. and real science before anyone can go on preaching tours as to how people should be vaping and what is acceptable and what is not..

Period.

And I'm seeing a lot of preaching and no proof atm, all over this forum, over junk studies..

 

[DPLongo22]

If you want to Dispute the Fact that PG and VG will Form Formaldehyde at elevated Temperatures, that Cool.

I don't believe I've ever disputed that fact, especially since I keep pointing out that the stuff occurs in many places (including our own bodies). What remains in question is where, and at what point does it become counter-productive to that massive gains compared to smoking.

All of that still remain open questions, and @christylh8's questions were valid, given some of the rhetoric that has become commonplace lately. The simple fact that vaping, in and of itself, is a drastic improvement to a person's health (even Stanton Glantz admits THAT much), sometimes (almost) feels like an afterthought.

I've cited numerous individuals who have opted to just smoke, because "Vaping is no better" for them, and a lot of that misguided feeling stems from the over-use of separating terms such as "safe zones" where vaping is concerned.

THAT is another indisputable fact, sadly enough.

 

[DPLongo22]

Poor @christylh8 . She had no idea...

Keep vaping, and keep doing what you're doing. Your common sense approach to quitting smoking is serving you well.

Sorry for all the craziness too.

 

[zoiDman]

Is it dangerous levels at what temperatures your average vapor vapes at when they are not using TC?

You simply don't know. There is aldehydes and formaldehyde in the air all around us, in the city and in our homes we are breathing it in.. so there is obviously an acceptable level..

We need real studies.. and real science before anyone can go on preaching tours as to how people should be vaping and what is acceptable and what is not..

Period.

And I'm seeing a lot of preaching and no proof atm, all over this forum, over junk studies..

Jeeze... When did I say that Vapers who Don't Use TC are doing something Dangerous?

You are Really seeing things that Just Aren't there. I think we are Done Here.

 

[zoiDman]

... What remains in question is where, and at what point does it become counter-productive to that massive gains compared to smoking.

...

Can't tell you. Because I Don't know if it even gets to the Point where it does for the Average Vaper.

 

[DPLongo22]

Jeeze... When did I say that Vapers who Don't Use TC are doing something Dangerous?

You are Really seeing things that Just Aren't there. I think we are Done Here.

YOU may not have, zoiD, but every time someone uses the term, "Safe zone" (which is OFTEN), it's implied, and subsequently too often inferred as such.

Hence my initial comment on the subject, which wasn't even specifically directed at the poster, but instead at the concept (in and of itself).

 

[DPLongo22]

Can't tell you. Because I Don't know if it even gets to the Point where it does for the Average Vaper.

Once again, "PRECISELY!"

 

[zoiDman]

YOU may not have, zoiD, but every time someone uses the term, "Safe zone" (which is OFTEN), it's implied, and subsequently too often inferred as such.

Hence my initial comment on the subject, which wasn't even specifically directed at the poster, but instead at the concept (in and of itself).

I hear you DPLongo22. I'm Not Exactly crazy about that term Myself.

 

[Katdarling]

You are Really seeing things that Just Aren't there. I think we are Done Here.

Sorry to see this, zoiD. I do believe that many/some ARE seeing what's being said, and it's pervasive, and frequent.

Sorry to see you opt out of the conversation tho. Truly.

 

[zoiDman]

Sorry to see this, zoiD. I do believe that many/some ARE seeing what's being said, and it's pervasive, and frequent.

Sorry to see you opt out of the conversation tho. Truly.

I'm I doing That?

Am I telling people that you have to use TC or else your Vape is Dangerous?
Or Am I telling people How they should Vape or what they should Vape with?