NEW CDC STUDY OFFICIALLY DEBUNKS ‘VAPING AND FORMALDEHYDE’ MYTH

[christylh8]

I'm still relatively new to the vaping world so I'm going to ask a dumb question, which component of juice would contain formaldehyde? Are they saying it's in the base (PG or VG), the nicotine mixture, or in the flavors? Or is it created in the burn process when liquid hits the coils?

I admit I am concerned that I might be doing something to negatively impact my health, but I can't see vaping as being any more dangerous than any of the many other carcinogens I come into contact with every day. (I mean, they say frozen dinners microwaved in plastic put you at accelerated risk for cancer too.)

I've begun DIY to control what is in my juice, that's the most proactive thing I can think to do in this situation.

 

[zoiDman]

Both PG and VG can break down at Elevated Temperatures and form Formaldehyde.

The actual Temperature at which this occurs can Vary depending on the Amount of PG, VG, or if there is any Water in an e-Liquid. But many agree that Wire Temperatures above 410 ~ 430F is when significant amount of Formaldehyde start to be formed.

Here is some more Info on it....

Safe Vape Temperatures

And the Big Thread...

New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

 

[DPLongo22]

I'm still relatively new to the vaping world so I'm going to ask a dumb question, which component of juice would contain formaldehyde? Are they saying it's in the base (PG or VG), the nicotine mixture, or in the flavors? Or is it created in the burn process when liquid hits the coils?

I admit I am concerned that I might be doing something to negatively impact my health, but I can't see vaping as being any more dangerous than any of the many other carcinogens I come into contact with every day. (I mean, they say frozen dinners microwaved in plastic put you at accelerated risk for cancer too.)

I've begun DIY to control what is in my juice, that's the most proactive thing I can think to do in this situation.

There is a lot of conflicting information on this subject, as I expect you've already seen, but your ultimate summary is most likely a very accurate assessment. It's definitely the one that I subscribe to, at least for the time being.

Happily, I vape on. Six-plus years, and a whole lot of physical improvements too.

We can always quit everything, is what I say, but I haven't seen enough yet to scare me off of vaping.

To paraphrase Aragorn, that day may indeed come, but that day is not today.

 

[Opinionated]

Maybe I can get my ex-MIL to check that out. She has COPD and still smokes, I had her vaping but when all that came out about e liquid chemicals she quit. I did my best to explain it all and showed her how and what they were testing but she wouldn't have it, her doctor said vaping was worse than smoking, she was done.

A year later she had more trouble switched doctors because that one is now a quack but she still believes that vaping is worse. Funny thing is her new doctor says she needs to quit all together or use e cigs, even her lung doctor has told her the same thing but she won't have it.

It's bad she's 59 and can't walk around a store, has to use those chairs, can't walk 50 feet to her mail box without being winded. Yet, she keeps on smoking, says she won't use the pills because of side effects (she's never tried them though), the gum, lozenges and patches are too expensive. I keep at it though, tell her I've got an AIO she can have and liquid is cheaper now, she always used that junk gas station stuff, bleh.

I have a bad feeling she's gonna be one of those on a tank and still smoking before it's said and done. We need more solid info coming out and made easily known. Even if vaping isn't safe but safer than smoking, it's still a step in a better direction, which is how I look at it anyways.

Print this out for her..

My Vaping Journey - And Ultimate Success

Have her read it..

 

[ScottP]

I'm still relatively new to the vaping world so I'm going to ask a dumb question, which component of juice would contain formaldehyde? Are they saying it's in the base (PG or VG), the nicotine mixture, or in the flavors? Or is it created in the burn process when liquid hits the coils?

Both PG and VG can break down at Elevated Temperatures and form Formaldehyde.

The actual Temperature at which this occurs can Vary depending on the Amount of PG, VG, or if there is any Water in an e-Liquid. But many agree that Wire Temperatures above 410 ~ 430F is when significant amount of Formaldehyde start to be formed.

Sometimes the dumbest questions are those never asked, especially when it comes to safety. In other words, it's the right question to be asking. zoiDman is correct, what happens is at higher temps the PG and VG are partially combusted and oxidize to become various aldehydes (formaldehyde and acetaldehyde being the most common).

From everything I have read 450F is where the aldehyde production ramp up starts to occur with 50PG/50VG juice, higher VG concentrations seem to start the ramp up slightly higher, and there is some evidence that concentrations with 10% distilled water don't start the conversion until even higher temps. So as long as you stay at 450F or below you shouldn't have any real worry. If you feel you need to vape at higher temps, then you might consider working in some distilled water into your mix to lower risk. NOTE: water is thinner than PG, so if you add water, you may need to also use more VG to thicken it back up to your preferred consistency.

Of course, and this is a BIG caveat, in order for this to be of ANY benefit, the device you are using has to be accurate in the temp settings. What I mean is if you set your device to 450F but really at that setting it is doing 500F, then it does you no good, unless you know that is the case. This is why I stress to people to watch reviewers like PBusardo or DJLsb who actually measure the TC accuracy on mods.

If a mod isn't quite accurate, it doesn't mean you can't use it, but as long as you know how much it is off, you can then compensate for it. For instance my wife uses an Aspire Skystar which seems to run about 20-30F hotter than it is set for. Knowing that, as long as she doesn't exceed 420F she knows she will still be in the safe zone. Although she pretty much keeps it at 380F-400F anyway.

 

[DPLongo22]

in the safe zone.

I'm sorry but I'll continue to take issue with such terminology.

 

[ScottP]

I'm sorry but I'll continue to take issue with such terminology.

As long as everyone realizes that "safe" is always going to be a relative term, I don't see any issue with it. I mean there is some measure of risk in getting out of bed, taking a shower, going up or down stairs, driving, eating, or even breathing.

 

[DPLongo22]

As long as everyone realizes that "safe" is always going to be a relative term, I don't see any issue with it. I mean there is some measure of risk in getting out of bed, taking a shower, going up or down stairs, driving, eating, or even breathing.

Exactly.

Continued use though is driving some people to think that they only way they can "safely" vape is the way a handful of people believe it can be done.

 

[DPLongo22]

What I'm saying is that my message to recently converted vapers, such as @christylh8 represented, is just keep vaping (vs. smoking). HOWEVER you choose to do it, you're doing your body right.

Get too caught up in the "safe" talk, and you'll be breaking out a pack of Marlboros before you hit the first turn. If you like it, vape it. You win with that alone.

 

[Katdarling]

As long as everyone realizes that "safe" is always going to be a relative term,

So true, Scott. As long as...... which is HOW often?

We keep seeing and hearing the "safe" term tossed around, and frequently. I'm not sure that as a new to vaping vaper one would even be able to determine the relativity.

And I do agree: vaping wins above smoking, every time.

 

[Opinionated]

I'm more on the convinced side of things that the formaldehyde studies were nothing more than BS.

The first studies done were done by anti-vapers literally burning coils and cotton in a way no one vapes..

The second were paid for by none other than Evolve saying we need temperature control.. lol.. it's not hard to predict that those they paid were going to come up with that conclusion.. it's rather a duh right there

Then we have some guy with a makeshift home lab supposedly confirming what evolve tells us.. not very scientific there..

Yeah... I quit smoking through vaping where all else failed, my health improved dramatically no temperature control involved, and then I quit vaping.. goal achieved and no health problems.

Good grief I wish these people would come off the so far junk science tc studies already and wait for some more real science to occur before speaking.

Just my two cents..

 

[Katdarling]

I'm more on the convinced side of things that the formaldehyde studies were nothing more than BS.

The first studies done were done by anti-vapers literally burning coils and cotton in a way no one vapes..

The second were paid for by none other than Evolve saying we need temperature control.. lol.. it's not hard to predict that those they paid were going to come up with that conclusion.. it's rather a duh right there

Then we have some guy with a makeshift home lab supposedly confirming what evolve tells us.. not very scientific there..

Yeah... I quit smoking through vaping where all else failed, my health improved dramatically no temperature control involved, and then I quit vaping.. goal achieved and no health problems.

Good grief I wish these people would come off the so far junk science tc studies already and wait for some more real science to occur before speaking.

Just my two cents..

I'm pretty much in agreement, Opi. Vape - health improvement - goals achieved.

 

[Opinionated]

I'm pretty much in agreement, Opi. Vape - health improvement - goals achieved.

What no one seems to realize is that none of these studies matter to long term smokers.. they don't matter one bit. We were dying one puff at a time, and vaping is a drastic improvement .

These studies matter only to never smokers. And that group, they deserve real solid unbiased extremely scientific and peer reviewed studies. .

Not corporate buy our product studies and not junk science. .. but real science in real labs where the tests are repeatable and falsifiable . You know. .. scientific.

 

[DPLongo22]

I'm more on the convinced side of things that the formaldehyde studies were nothing more than BS.

The first studies done were done by anti-vapers literally burning coils and cotton in a way no one vapes..

The second were paid for by none other than Evolve saying we need temperature control.. lol.. it's not hard to predict that those they paid were going to come up with that conclusion.. it's rather a duh right there

Then we have some guy with a makeshift home lab supposedly confirming what evolve tells us.. not very scientific there..

Yeah... I quit smoking through vaping where all else failed, my health improved dramatically no temperature control involved, and then I quit vaping.. goal achieved and no health problems.

Good grief I wish these people would come off the so far junk science tc studies already and wait for some more real science to occur before speaking.

Just my two cents..

Wait! I'm confused!!! Is it safe, or is not safe???



Pass me mah bubble, please.

 

[Katdarling]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeelp, it's "RELATIVELY" "safe".

 

[DPLongo22]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeelp, it's "RELATIVELY" "safe".

You've obviously never met my relatives.

 

[Katdarling]

LOL!!!!!!!

Nor YOU, mine!!!!!!!

 

[zoiDman]

What no one seems to realize is that none of these studies matter to long term smokers.. they don't matter one bit. We were dying one puff at a time, and vaping is a drastic improvement .

...

Why would it Not Matter to Long Term Smokers?

If a Long Term Smoker decides to Reduce Potential Harm by using an e-Cigarette, and if something in e-Cigarette use could be an Avoidable Risk, wouldn't a Reasonable person at least want to know about it?

BTW - How long does someone have to Smoke to be a "Long Term Smoker"?

 

[DPLongo22]

If a Long Term Smoker decides to Reduce Potential Harm by using an e-Cigarette, and if something in e-Cigarette use could be an Avoidable Risk, wouldn't a Reasonable person at least want to know about it?

I guess it comes down to the difference between the words "reduce" and "eliminate". I'm in the "reduce" camp, which is obvious from my choice to vape. I think that those inclined to need more than that might likely fall into the "Just retire" model, so often cited by the late, great Thurman Munson.

That's just my opinion, of course, and I remain totally comfortable with vaping, in all its offered glory (and options).

 

[Katdarling]

Key word: OPTIONS.

As a new or old vaper....... key word.