New clinical trials proves electronic cigarettes are significantly more effective than government approved smoking cessation devices

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Spazmelda

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Well, I really don't mean to be a downer here, but this article is a bit of a mish-mash. The author is sort of going out on a limb and comparing 2 completely different studies. One of them is a clinical trial of close to 2000 people (The Sutton study). The other was a proof of concept trial by Polosa, where the number was closer to 40.

I agree that the Polosa study was very promising (especially compared to published efficacies of other treatments), but I don't think we quite have the right data yet to make comparisons like this. I fully suspect that e-cigs are eventually going to be shown to be more effective for getting people off of cigarettes, but I don't think we are there yet. I think this report is reaching too far, based on the available data.

ETA: PRWeb stories are often like this. It's really more of an advertising type of media outlet. KWIM?
 

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I have to echo Spazmelda's thoughts. We have to be very careful with the conclusions we draw. The enemies of vaporizers are just waiting to pounce on any inaccuracy. Already this morning we have this comment posted on the story:


"Great article posted by a addict selling addiction to families and children with doctors paid from tobacco companies to say nicotine addiction is safe... what a joke just like this organization called casaa . The most frightening aspect of electronic cigarettes is that consumers who do not seek out data and who do not think critically might be convinced by the old hackneyed ad line: "This is Safe!" This same line was shouted by physicians in the 1950's about tobacco cigarettes before the data was in and the truth was known--decades and millions of deaths and inpatients later. We just don't know yet, but if you want to be one of the first poor guinea pigs who reveals the dangers and illnesses associated with e-cigs feel free "

Yahoo does not identify the posters, apparently, so this is just a drive by hit and run comment. But you can tell this person has some real venom. We cannot give these folks any ammunition.

I agree it is nice to see the comparison, and the results are in line with what many of us know for ourselves. The term "proves" is a very dangerous one. I think "provides significant evidence" would have been more precise.
 

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That comment was probably electricman. Sounds like him.

I guess my issue is that this study proves nothing about e-cigs. It was a study on other quit therapies, and didn't address e-cigs at all. The author of the article is the one making the comparison. All the study 'proves' is that (in this particular study) a web based quit smoking approach that was tailored to the individual smoker was not more effective than a web based quit smoking program that was not tailored to an individual smoker.

Effectiveness of web-based tailored smoking cessat... [Addiction. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI
 

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In an era where even top scientists can't agree where global warming exists or not, how do we expect testing of electronic cigarettes to be accepted unless conducted at an extremely high level over extended periods of time? Medical testing of users in a trusted environment with FDA involvement might fly, but there's always an element of distrust around tobacco products.

The push is to eradicate anything that reminds tobacco haters of a cigarette. I think those people view ecigs as a stop gap method of prolonging their fight and just another cigarette substitute that slows progress for a tobacco free world. They will ignore the fact that people are actually leaving tobacco for a safer substitute. Never mind that it is effective, they just want to prove that it's not 100% safe and should be squashed before it catches on and prevents smokers from actually quitting nicotine for good.
 

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That comment was probably electricman. Sounds like him.

Yeah well I responded to his outrageous comment. I could not help myself. Now I have degraded myself by posting on Yahoo! Electricman, huh. I will see him around I suppose.

Precision with our words is critical if we are to win this fight. I hope we don't sound like a couple of Debbie Downers!

The stupid, primitive, useless site also double posted me-AARGH!
 
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In an era where even top scientists can't agree where global warming exists or not, how do we expect testing of electronic cigarettes to be accepted unless conducted at an extremely high level over extended periods of time? Medical testing of users in a trusted environment with FDA involvement might fly, but there's always an element of distrust around tobacco products.

The push is to eradicate anything that reminds tobacco haters of a cigarette. I think those people view ecigs as a stop gap method of prolonging their fight and just another cigarette substitute that slows progress for a tobacco free world. They will ignore the fact that people are actually leaving tobacco for a safer substitute. Never mind that it is effective, they just want to prove that it's not 100% safe and should be squashed before it catches on and prevents smokers from actually quitting nicotine for good.


Funny that most anti's are caffeine abusers, should we as nicotine users start lobby'ing against their addiction of choice? Really though, I have to agree with above statements that more clear run tests are needed to clinically argue points from the ecig users standpoint. We (me included) tend to latch onto studies without really thinking about how useful the data really is. Not that I am saying any of us believe that vaping is safer than just breathing, we all know it is a harm reduction tool, but a lot of people try to argue that it's "safe" with no means to back up the comments. That sadly leaves holes that can be easily countered, and makes the community looks less than intelligent.

Just a sarcastic joke about the caffeine thing BTW, I am NOT giving up my morning coffee! :)
 

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Did I miss something here? The OPs link took me to a Yahoo page with a letter written by him but the letter seemed to be a advertisement with links to his e-cig website. Maybe I went to the wrong web page.

Oh, ha! I didn't even notice that. You are correct. You can still find the write up on PRWeb, by searching for the title, and it has it as written by Robert Patrick, info@the-best-electronic-cigarette.xx.xx
 

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This is a press release promoting an e-cigarette review/marketing company that initially appears to be a sensationalized news article with a gramatical error in the headline (i.e. trials proves).

The first question asked in the press release clearly indicates that its author doesn't understand the history of e-cigarettes and the FDA.

So why does the FDA not approve electronic cigarettes as a smoking cessation device?

The correct answer is Judge Leon's ruling, which prohibited the FDA from regulating e-cigarettes as smoking cessation devices (unless the manufacturer makes a therapeutic claim).
 

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I believe ECF has rules about members with e-cigarette affiliate sites & reviewers being registered and approved? I'm sorry, but that "article" is nothing more than a (somewhat inaccurate and mostly culled from Dr. Siegel's blog) press release designed to feed people to an e-cigarette affiliate site - a UK-based site, too. :(
 
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