New e-smoker: Greensmoke or VaporKing?

[MrHyde]

Hey Guys,

I've been a smoker for 13 years now and I'm upto about 1 1/2 packs a day. I've always been a menthol smoker and have tried to quit a few times, but just love smoking too much.

A few days ago, I woke up to my radio alarm blaring something about a vapor cigarette so I googled it and discovered e-cigs! I was somewhat anxious about it, but then grew more excited the more I read.

After doing a bit of research, I decided to order a starter kit and a variety pack from GreenSmoke.com I haven't received it yet, but have continued doing research. I feel I might have jumped the gun a bit, especially after reading people complain about the poor battery life and even one person saying that their cartamizers don't taste very well.

Well, after browsing the forums a number of times here, I've become interested in a Vapor King from Vapor4life.com They seem to have more options, longer battery life, manuals as well as automatics, much greater variety all around and from what I've heard, great customer support.

I'm thinking I might order a Vapor King starter kit from Vapor4life.com and compare that with the one from GreenSmoke.com that's already on its way and return the one I dislike.

Just to give you some insight as to what I'm looking for; I'd like a two piece model that uses cartimizers instead of the cart and atomizer being seperate. Good battery life and possibly a portable charging unit would also be preferred. Of course I'd want to try dripping with the two piece eventually as well. Oh, and very importantly good vapor, throat hit, and of course flavor.

Oh, and curious if anyone could tell me the differences between GreenSmoke's E9 and Vapor King's KR808? Things such as size difference, performance, vapor production and throat hit.

Any suggestions for a new e-smoker would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in Advance,
MrHyde

 

[KathyinColorado]

Hi MrHyde - I don't know anything about the greensmoke, but after reading through this forum I decided to get the Vapor King and I am so glad I did. It really does work great and the guys at vapor4life are the absolute best! Please go to their website and check out the new starter kit specials they have going. You will be doing yourself a big favor. I smoked menthol lights for 30yrs and after only 16days with this I have now been analog free for 3 wks! I also found out that menthol wasn't the only way to go. I am very happily chain vaping coffee, cappaccino, ry4 and 555. Sometimes I add a few drops of menthol juice to the carto for a little change. I am a happy vaper!

Kathy

 

[MrHyde]

I am very happily chain vaping coffee, cappaccino, ry4 and 555. Sometimes I add a few drops of menthol juice to the carto for a little change. I am a happy vaper!

Kathy

Thanks Kathy. How long do your batteries typically last? Do you have one of their portable charging cases..if so, how many charges can you get? Does it produce alot of vapor and give good throat hit? Also, what's the ry4 and 555 taste like?

Sorry for all the questions...just really curious about it.

 

[Caps Hockey]

I have not tried the 555 but the RY4 reminds me of cotton candy alot. i purchased my 510 from vapor kings and i have been very satisfied with service, delivery, and product.

 

[Caps Hockey]

oh and what i have noticed is the lower the nicotine dose the better the flavor but thats my personal experience and obviously i get WAY more taste and vapor from my USB passthrough

 

[MrHyde]

Thanks Caps. I ordered the 8mg to come with my GreenSmoke E9. We'll see how that works, but I'm still unsure if I'm going to like GreenSmoke. Still hoping someone will give me some good info comparing GreenSmoke's E9 and Vapor King's KR808. I'm worried that if I don't like GreenSmoke, they'll not want to give me my money back if I don't like it. =/

 

[ZambucaLu]

Hyde, you probably won't find a lot of info on greensmoke here because we do not approve them as suppliers here due to the outrageous health claims on their site.

Lu

 

[MrHyde]

*sighs* In that case, how does the E9 model e-cig such as Red Dragon, Moop, and e-cig.com compare to the KR808 models?

 

[Magilla]

Hyde- this is my first post ever anywhere. I am the supreme lurker. I don't really know much about posting so I hope it works. I started with a GreenSmoke and just moved to Vapor King about 10 days ago.

I have both units so I can answer your questions. I can tell you that the only thing that the GS does better than the VK is vapor. GS, I believe, has the best vapor out there. I also have a 510 and drip it exclusively and it comes close to the vapor production but GS is still a bit better. My experience, so far, is that the VK is about half the vapor of the GS. That is the only advantage to the GS.

I have to say that the GS is what got me off analogs and I am not sure I would have been able to get completely off analogs without the big vapor. So I am grateful for that. GS has good customer service and I would expect that they would return your money if you decide to return the kit. They were very good about replacing my batteries--yes the batteries are an issue--but it never ended and I had to pay to mail back the bad batts. (Vapor4Life does not make you return bad product to them, they just replace it, I found that out after I ordered) It was getting expensive just in shipping costs returning the batts and unless you buy extra batteries, you are stuck with only one while you ship to them and they ship back (about 10 days total, from my location).

What made me decide to try the VK was that even the good batteries that I got from GS are now, after 2 months, not holding a charge and drawing hard. With the cost of their batteries, I was able to buy a VK starter kit for about the same cost as one GS battery.

Regarding the VK, it does have much better flavor than the GS. The GS coffee and chocolate are OK but the rest of their flavors are flavorless and tobacco is nasty tasting. I have tried 4 flavors from V4L and they are all very good and much stronger flavor. The VK also has much better throat hit. GS really has no throat hit at all.


I have not had the VK long enough to tell you how long the batteries will last before failure but charging time and time between charges are about the same for GS and VK. About 4 hours to charge and about 4-5 hours (for me) before recharge needed. I am probably a medium vapor. The good thing about the VK is you can buy 3 batteries for the price of one GS when they do fail.

Both models are about the same size with standard batteries. The GS is a little fatter and heavier.

I think that answers all the questions you had.

Another thing I should mention is that my experience refilling the GS carts, was that they do not do very well. I had a little success but they draw very hard after refill. So far I have refilled 4 of the VK carts and they are actually as good as new when refilled. In my case a bit better because I refill with VG mix and the vapor is better with my refilled carts.

Finally, I have to say that GS has excellent customer service and they will treat you fairly. The guys at Vapor4life have the best customer service I have ever experienced. I had a small issue with my order and they fixed it quickly and gave me more than was required to rectify the issue. It seems Steve at V4L really does want to keep all his customers smilin'.

Sorry this is so long but I wanted to try to give you as much info as I could. Both GS and VK are good companies with good products. I am sure you will be happy with whichever you choose.

OH, FYI you can not drip a cartomizer.

I hope this posted OK and that I did not do anything against posting etiquette.

 

[Thyestean]

Hyde, you probably won't find a lot of info on greensmoke here because we do not approve them as suppliers here due to the outrageous health claims on their site.

Lu

Unfortunately I didn't find these forums until after buying my first device (Bloog) but I had come across the GS site and those over the top health claims along with the fact that I know at least one of their pieces of promotional artwork was altered for use on their site without the permission of the original artist definitely turned me off to any chance of even trying them out. The prices sure didn't help any either.

 

[Thyestean]

*sighs* In that case, how does the E9 model e-cig such as Red Dragon, Moop, and e-cig.com compare to the KR808 models?

as far as what you get out of them both do work but I would say you are better off going with the KR808 style for the simple facts of lower cost in most cases and that there are so many vendors that carry KR808 now that you'll have plenty of choices for suppliers if you are unhappy with any of them.

 

[crashtestjeep]

Greensmokes produce hellacious vapor, but those 3 sec cutoff batts will drive you INSANE! Plus, almost NOTHING is compatible w/them...I have one but use the KR808d1s now for convenience, compatibility and $.

 

[Thyestean]

3 second cutoff? Damn! and I thought a 5 second cutoff was bad.

 

[MrHyde]

Sorry this is so long but I wanted to try to give you as much info as I could. Both GS and VK are good companies with good products. I am sure you will be happy with whichever you choose.

OH, FYI you can not drip a cartomizer.

Magilla,

Thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou so much for answering my questions and for helping me out! When I said dripping, I meant refilling the cartomizers...sorry, not too familiar with all the e-cig lingo yet.

From everything you've told me, it sounds like it would benefit me better to go with the Vapor King. I don't think I want to mess with the battery problem that I've heard you and other people mention...sounds way too expensive. I really looking forward to all the vapor the GS's put out, but if they taste as bad as everyone says they do, then I won't really enjoy vaping from one.

And I loved your long post, so don't say sorry about that hehe. However, I do have one more question for you or anyone else whom might know the answer. My friend, who is also going to get an e-cig (we're quitting analogs together), is allergic to alcohol. I know...the poor guy. He can't drink it, use rubbing alcohol or anything. He was telling me that one of the ingredients in e-cigs...forgot the name of it...VG? Well anyways, that it contains a small amount of alcohol. I'm not sure if its enough to effect him, but if anyone knows if this is true and how much is in the nicotine solution, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Oh and one more thing Magilla; how do you like your 510? I'm just curious because I hear everyone say good things about it. I want a cartomizer based one, but eventually I might want to try a 3 piece so any info is good info.

Anyways, I'll probably take a few hits from the GS when it arrives and return it once I get my VK in. Thankyou again so very much for the info and help!

Can't wait to vape,
Mrhyde
aka Dusty

 

[MrHyde]

as far as what you get out of them both do work but I would say you are better off going with the KR808 style for the simple facts of lower cost in most cases and that there are so many vendors that carry KR808 now that you'll have plenty of choices for suppliers if you are unhappy with any of them.

After everyone's help in answering my questions, I've decided to go with the KR808 from V4L! Thyestean...about what you said about GS's website having unapproved edited artwork does turn me off too, being an artist myself.

So thankyou everyone for your help in well, helping me to choose my first e-cig! I'll let you know when I get it and how everything works out

 

[Charged]

Magilla,

He was telling me that one of the ingredients in e-cigs...forgot the name of it...VG? Well anyways, that it contains a small amount of alcohol. I'm not sure if its enough to effect him, but if anyone knows if this is true and how much is in the nicotine solution, I'd greatly appreciate it.

VG does not contain alcohol. People who use VG "Vegetable Glycerine" add alcohol/vodka to it to thin it down because it is a very thick liquid. Most bottled juices and the juice included in cartomizers are made using PG "Propylene Glycol" and it contains no aclohol at all.

Hope that helps.

 

[TaketheRedPill]

*sighs* In that case, how does the E9 model e-cig such as Red Dragon, Moop, and e-cig.com compare to the KR808 models?

the most important element of a cartomizer model is the cartomizer.

The greensmoke/reddraggon/etc all have cartomizers that have IN MY OPINION inferior 'stuffing', more like a roughly fiberous paper than fiberfil. It's hard not to scorch them, making them unuseable/hazardous for refilling more than a few times. They MAY have changed their design, but the Greensmoke cartzers I got to test a month ago had the same fiberous papery filling. The top is a silicon plug that's glued in (or poured in), and although relatively easy to remove, there is silicon residue on the inside side of the cartomizer. There is no donut baffle between the silicon plug and the filling. The batteries have a very short (2-3second) cutoff, probably for good reason. Newer batteries have been released with a longer burn time. The cartomizers are about the same price as the KR808D-1's, but the batteries are being retailed for up to 30+bucks a pop. There are only a few vendors that carry the E9 models. There are no mods that will have E9 fittings and there are no adapters I'm aware of that would make them compatible with other models.

The KR808D-1 has more of a fiberfil 'stuffing' that lends itself well to refilling. They are a harder to scorch and you may find you can refill them a dozen times or more before tossing. The top is a hard plastic plug that snaps out, and there is a silicon donut baffle below the top, which helps prevent particulate matter or elliquid from getting thru and into your mouth. The cartomizers are about the same price as the E9s, (from $7.95 to $12.50) and the batteries run about $13-$16, and are available from at least half a dozen forum suppliers. KR's are made by Kanger, and most are filled with Kanger-manufactured eliquid (some vendors are working with Kanger to have their own custom liquids prefilled into the cartzers). 901 batteries can be used with a cheap adapter. If you move into a "mod" with a 901 fitting, KR808D-1 cartomizers will be able to be used with that mod. There is also a 510 adapter.

neither model is designed for 'chain' vaping. They are more of a take a few puffs, set it down, take a few puffs, etc. You don't want to get the cartomizer's atomizer very hot or you will scorch the filling making the cartomizer unusable. Overall, the KRs win hands down in a head-to-head comparison, in my opinion.

Hope this helps!

TTRP

 

[pianoguy]

With normal use (i.e. not chain-vaping), the XL batteries on the Vapor King should last a good 8-9 hours - at least that has been my experience. I concur about getting more vapor with juice that has VG in it, also - V4L doesn't have cartos with VG yet, but is working on it.

 

[MrHyde]

Well, I just placed my order on Vapor4Life for their Ultimate Ultimatum Automatic kit, one of the new Automatic XL (13 sec cuttoff) batteries, car adapter and quite a few cartomizers. Since I'm a menthol smoker, I'm getting a number of the Menthol Cartomizers as well as the "Cool" flavor, strawberry, mint, and pink lemonade. I'll mostly smoke the menthol, but figured why not add a few different flavors to make it a $200 order so I can use the 20% discount!

I'm so excited...can't wait to get it!!!

 

[MrHyde]

VG does not contain alcohol. People who use VG "Vegetable Glycerine" add alcohol/vodka to it to thin it down because it is a very thick liquid. Most bottled juices and the juice included in cartomizers are made using PG "Propylene Glycol" and it contains no aclohol at all.

Hope that helps.

And thanks alot for the info, Charged. My friend will be very happy to know he'll be able to vape without having an allergic reaction to it.