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Here we have it. My 4th issue with this Atty and although it now vapes well, it does leak in two places. So two issues fixed and two still here. On to the picture you can see the dark color on the side of the nut where the negative screw was causing a mild short. :(

My nuts are all black from oxidation, and what not. What's leaking, the tank? The one thing I have never seen is a leak. Do you have your o rings properly attached? Are you running with your juice well sealed or unsealed? Do you lay your rig horizontal or store it vertical? We've all had shorts, but from what I have read this is common with most Genesis atomizers. Sorry to see you having so many issues, I can tell you most of my issues have been solved by careful coil and wick building. Good luck.

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My nuts are all black from oxidation, and what not. What's leaking, the tank? The one thing I have never seen is a leak. Do you have your o rings properly attached? Are you running with your juice well sealed or unsealed? Do you lay your rig horizontal or store it vertical? We've all had shorts, but from what I have read this is common with most Genesis atomizers. Sorry to see you having so many issues, I can tell you most of my issues have been solved by careful coil and wick building. Good luck.

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Well as you can see its just the small area where the negative screw was. No other place on the entire nut is black. It leaks down the center pin cause the nut is no longer in use. It also leaks at the top cap.
 

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Well as you can see its just the small area where the negative screw was. No other place on the entire nut is black. It leaks down the center pin cause the nut is no longer in use. It also leaks at the top cap.

There should be enough clearance between the negative screw and bottom post nut. Are you certain the center post is properly centered in the hole?
 

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Well as you can see its just the small area where the negative screw was. No other place on the entire nut is black. It leaks down the center pin cause the nut is no longer in use. It also leaks at the top cap.

Looks like you and genisis don't get along very well :)

There is plenty of room there to avoid a short and this is consistent on all 4 of my DIDs and the likelihood of one out of 1000 odd DID having a issue here is very unlikely. After you put the 2 small o-ring on the 2 ends of the center post, put the tank together and tighten the crap out of it. Then put the center pin through the hole and tighten the bottom nut. Make sure it is tightened well.

The fact that you have to use an O-ring to align the airhole to the wick itself is very weird for me. The threads are set up to have the hole line up with the wick and it does for all of mine. Since these are not individually machined by hand, the likelihood of one going wrong is very low.

When you wrap the coil, go counter clock-wise from the bottom through the outside of the wick and this should not give you any shorts. If you leave the refill hole closed until you get this working, there should not be any leaks.
 

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Here we have it. My 4th issue with this Atty and although it now vapes well, it does leak in two places. So two issues fixed and two still here. On to the picture you can see the dark color on the side of the nut where the negative screw was causing a mild short. :(

Pretty much like KickServe said,

It wasn't the screw that was causing the short it was how you had your wire attached to it. As far a a leak goes the DID just doesn't leak , you need to make sure your inner rubber washers are set on the main outside SS center pole correctly and you tighten the unit up all the way then it cant and wont leak, and on your first brass nut that locks everything together you need to use a pair of pliers to tighten that nut to secure everything into place. Try these things and you will see your DID wont leak a drop of liquid EVER.
 
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There should be enough clearance between the negative screw and bottom post nut. Are you certain the center post is properly centered in the hole?
It looks centered and with the white insert it seems like it would be hard for it to be off center. I had to take a look though and ya it looks okay.

Looks like you and genisis don't get along very well :)

There is plenty of room there to avoid a short and this is consistent on all 4 of my DIDs and the likelihood of one out of 1000 odd DID having a issue here is very unlikely. After you put the 2 small o-ring on the 2 ends of the center post, put the tank together and tighten the crap out of it. Then put the center pin through the hole and tighten the bottom nut. Make sure it is tightened well.

The fact that you have to use an O-ring to align the airhole to the wick itself is very weird for me. The threads are set up to have the hole line up with the wick and it does for all of mine. Since these are not individually machined by hand, the likelihood of one going wrong is very low.

When you wrap the coil, go counter clock-wise from the bottom through the outside of the wick and this should not give you any shorts. If you leave the refill hole closed until you get this working, there should not be any leaks.

Ya bro. Any issue possible and I will be the one to have it. Its wrapped the correct way and I know of at least one more person that has the same issue and thats why I asked if anyone had brought it up yet. It could also be an unknown issue that other people are having. It took me 2 months and someone else to post the YT video.

I cant find the actual video now but here is the same person with a follow up to the video I seen. He goes over the issue in this video as well. The DID Rebuildable Atty Final Follow Up - YouTube
 
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Everything in that video is old news, its well known that 4 nuts works great, its well known your wick cant be higher then the 4th nut or a smidgen lower, all of this has been discussed in this thread numerous times. I run 2 DID's on my 2 Provaris and I have NO problems what so ever and no shorts at all, whether a 2/3 wrap, 3/4 wrap even a 4/5 wrap, It boils down to the same old thing and that MAKING THE PROPER WICK AND WIRE WRAP set up to achieve the right connection, wicking, and air flow needed to make everything come together is what you have to do. Is it a precise operation ya a bit,, but when done correctly the DID operation is 100% and the DID runs perfectly and provides one helluva awesome vape. It's no different then any other Genesis Atty in that you have to do it correctly to make it work correctly. Bottom line , DID = Win hands down this unit runs great and its all knowing how to put it together properly to achieve the perfection the DID delivers when done right. Lastly the DID runs excellent and looks super on the Provari it is dam near the exact size of the base of the top cap of the Provari which makes the DID look super on it :)

Just to ad, it could be done with a spacer nut first turned on tight like the Z-Atty, with using one top nut too, and if Jim decides to do this that's up to Jim, if not 4 nuts is fine with me

When filling I take my syringe and go right down through my wick, tilt the unit a tad and fill, as soon as I see liquid come up to the fill hole I know I'm full, this way it also fills the tank to its max where when you use the fill hole it forces liquid up the wick and you may not get a full tank this way or think your full but your not, just how I do mine anyways.
 
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It looks centered and with the white insert it seems like it would be hard for it to be off center. I had to take a look though and ya it looks okay.



Ya bro. Any issue possible and I will be the one to have it. Its wrapped the correct way and I know of at least one more person that has the same issue and thats why I asked if anyone had brought it up yet. It could also be an unknown issue that other people are having. It took me 2 months and someone else to post the YT video. So I may never have found it. In fact, it was in the classy's when I found the video and I had to pull it cause it now knowingly has a defect.

I cant find the actual video now but here is the same person with a follow up to the video I seen. He goes over the issue in this video as well. The DID Rebuildable Atty Final Follow Up - YouTube

Personally this guys vid is wrong for the did. If you really want to see, roll your coil on drill bit slightly larger than wick hole. Put coil on smaller drill bit, Stick drill bit in wick hole and attach coil. Remove drill bit, and wah lah, you should see a perfectly built coil, which will dry burn a perfect glowing coil. Insert wick, if you get hot spots, it is do to an improper wick, not problems with basic DID construction. I swear, if you do it this way with a properly prepared wick, it works great. The other plus to this method, is you can remove wick, dry burn gunk off coil, flame up wick to clean, and all is again golden. You need the bottom nut tightly locked down to avoid fluid down center problems. Just my opinion.

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Personally this guys vid is wrong for the did. If you really want to see, roll your coil on drill bit slightly larger than wick hole. Stick drill bit in wick hole and attach coil. Remove drill bit, and wah lah, you should see a perfectly built coil, which will dry burn a perfect glowing coil. Inert wick, if you get hot spots, it is do to an improper wick, not problems with basic DID construction. I swear, if you do it this way with a properly prepared wick, it works great. The other plus to this method, is you can remove wick, dry burn gunk off coil, flame up wick to clean, and all is again golden. You need the bottom nut tightly locked down to avoid fluid down center problems. Just my opinion.

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Ya bro. Any issue possible and I will be the one to have it. Its wrapped the correct way and I know of at least one more person that has the same issue and thats why I asked if anyone had brought it up yet. It could also be an unknown issue that other people are having. It took me 2 months and someone else to post the YT video. So I may never have found it. In fact, it was in the classy's when I found the video and I had to pull it cause it now knowingly has a defect.

I cant find the actual video now but here is the same person with a follow up to the video I seen. He goes over the issue in this video as well. The DID Rebuildable Atty Final Follow Up - YouTube
He may have pulled the other vid because it was totally the wrong way on how to the set up the DID. He mentioned he had the link to that other vid in the description below, but it's gone too.

Now, he is using 28 kantal which is a larger diameter wire that the 32, and yes with that size wire one may have an issue with it contacting the bottom nut if wrapped clockwise. FWIW, the bottom nut is needed to secure the center pin. Without it the pin can move up and down, thus it could ruin a perfect coil. And yes it would allow for condensate to migrate into the inner tube and into the PV's connector.
 

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It looks centered and with the white insert it seems like it would be hard for it to be off center. I had to take a look though and ya it looks okay.



Ya bro. Any issue possible and I will be the one to have it. Its wrapped the correct way and I know of at least one more person that has the same issue and thats why I asked if anyone had brought it up yet. It could also be an unknown issue that other people are having. It took me 2 months and someone else to post the YT video. So I may never have found it. In fact, it was in the classy's when I found the video and I had to pull it cause it now knowingly has a defect.

I cant find the actual video now but here is the same person with a follow up to the video I seen. He goes over the issue in this video as well. The DID Rebuildable Atty Final Follow Up - YouTube

It's odd that you would post a video review where the reviewer states "I finally figured it out and... it's awesome" yet in the same post still claim there's a known defect (and possibly an unknown defect). Genesis style atties may just not be for you. If that's the case then it's more a matter of 'I can't figure it out' rather than suggesting it's defective. Plenty of people here who have got it working right on many mods including Provari.

As you can see many people have been attempting to assist you, as they do with anyone who has trouble with the DID's setup and ask for help. That's part of what this thread is for. I don't think that includes assertions of a product defect without proper substantiation, in Jim's own manufacturer's sale thread.
 

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That guy doing those videos is also producing and manufacturing his own Genesis unit, its very contradicting of him to be reviewing the DID or any other unit. He's saying things to make his look better when it come out in my opinion and whether it is or isn't he shouldn't be doing what he is..
 
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Hey just dropping a hello to all the DID users. I am halfway through the thread with references/notes and such. I really like seeing the progression of many of you and how helpful you all are--it is very inspiring to see where you all came from in regards to the use of this particular device. I am jumping back in, so good day all and see you on the other side.
 
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Okay so it seems I was wrong. What a surprise huh. At the negative screw I did not wrap the wire I just put it in on the side closest to the bottom + post nut. What that did was make the screw rock over away from the nut ever so slightly. Thanks everyone for the tips. Its working great now with all 3 nuts back on it. :facepalm:
 

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He may have pulled the other vid because it was totally the wrong way on how to the set up the DID. He mentioned he had the link to that other vid in the description below, but it's gone too.

Now, he is using 28 kantal which is a larger diameter wire that the 32, and yes with that size wire one may have an issue with it contacting the bottom nut if wrapped clockwise. FWIW, the bottom nut is needed to secure the center pin. Without it the pin can move up and down, thus it could ruin a perfect coil. And yes it would allow for condensate to migrate into the inner tube and into the PV's connector.
I posted a comment on the video and he said it was pulled cause it worked better with top two nuts. I am posting a video later of what I did to make it go with all three nuts. Good point on the thicker wire.
 

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One thing a lot of people seem to have trouble differentiating is the concept of "oxidizing" the wick and "carbonizing" the wick.

Basically what we are trying to do is to oxidize the wick so that the surface of the wick becomes electrically non-conductive so as to prevent a short when wrapping a coil around the wick. So with that in mind here's the difference between the 2 processes :

1) Oxidizing the wick : When heating the wick at high temperatures, you get a layer of oxide on the mesh that acts as an insulator. For it to work best, use a high temp flame. And when you are doing it, over do it for the first couple of times. The oxide layer is tougher and won't come off as easily when you try to move the coils over it.

2) Carbonizing the wick : This happens when you heat the mesh with a low temp flame like a cigarette lighter. This produces a dark black carbon deposit over the mesh that is also non-conductive. The wick will look blacker and will look good. But this layer of carbon is very soft and when you try to scratch it with a finger nail or the coil, it comes off easily and exposes the conductive mesh underneath which result in shorts when you wrap coils. Only thing this is good for is turning your juice black.

People having issues with shorts should consider a high temp flame. Also try oxidizing the mesh before rolling this into a wick. Go over the mesh with the torch for 2 minutes before rolling the wick. Go over it again with the torch for another couple of rounds and you can quench to make it a bit more stiffer.

There is no hard and fast rule as to the exact amount of time to get good oxidization as this will depend on :
- the temperature of the flame
- the composition of the mesh
- where you are at or the quantity of oxygen and moisture in the air where you live.
- How smooth and even the surface of the wick is

So please don't use any video as the absolute truth. In the Colorado air, on a good cylindrical wick made of 316 grade 400 mesh - 42 mm long and 35 mm wide and rolled for a snug fit - 6 minutes of torching (+2 minutes for oxidizing mesh before rolling) gives me a wick with no shorts every single time and I don't have to worry about shorts when I move the coil or re-coil a week later.

If you are having shorts, the one and only reason is your wick is not oxidized enough. Please stop worrying about drilling bigger holes, leaving the fill hole open and using extra nuts or spacing issues. All those could be done later(they all change various aspects of the vape) after you have a working wick. But without a proper wick, you can do all that and re-coil every five minutes for an entire day and end up being very unhappy. The DID works very well as it is without any tinkering and the spacing of the various parts is well thought out. It's built to work with 32Ga Kanthal wire and it does. Once you have a good wick, pull the coil tight enough to stay snug on the wick at the bottom loop and then ease through the rest of the loops without too much tugging.

PS : The ONLY essential component that the manufacturer has left for you to make, is the WICK. Do it right and everything will work as it should be.:)

PS2 : I own 4 of these and I use one bottom nut, and 2 top nuts, 32 Ga Kanthal wire. I use clear tanks on 3 and have also increased the hole size to 1/16". All the modifications were done after I learned to make a wick and slap and coil on it and have it work with no issues.
 
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It's odd that you would post a video review where the reviewer states "I finally figured it out and... it's awesome" yet in the same post still claim there's a known defect (and possibly an unknown defect). Genesis style atties may just not be for you. If that's the case then it's more a matter of 'I can't figure it out' rather than suggesting it's defective. Plenty of people here who have got it working right on many mods including Provari.

As you can see many people have been attempting to assist you, as they do with anyone who has trouble with the DID's setup and ask for help. That's part of what this thread is for. I don't think that includes assertions of a product defect without proper substantiation, in Jim's own manufacturer's sale thread.

Wait bro. Where does telling someone that the product is not for them work with the point your trying to make? The nut and screw where to close and causing an issue. Nothing can be said to change that. I am sorry that I might have hurt your feelings here, but none the less I paid for something then fought with defects for 2 months. I think that entitles me to a mini rant in the least. Need I remind you about the intake hole issue? Its in this thread.
 
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