New Guy - Misconception or misinformed?

[ImThatGuy]

I'm new so don't blast me with a firing squad...but...I read this on the e-juice section and wanted clarification...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...rboro-lights-e-liquids-nicotine-question.html

To my knowledge when the juice states 18mg, 8mg, 24mg, etc...is it not a ratio not percentage base? As in mg/ml? 18mg/1ml of juice?

 

[HOPS]

From what I've been seeing, many vendors use percentage (1.8%, .8%, 2.4% as opposed to 18mg, 8mg, 24mg). I'm taking this to mean that is percent per volume. 18mg=1.8%= the total package (30ml bottle or 1ml carto) contains that percentage of nicotine. I'm a noob myself, but that was my interpretation...

 

[base234]

Correct. mg per ml.

 

[ImThatGuy]

Not a rocket scientist, but how is that possible for mass(mg)/volume(ml) to be calculated in percentage? 1.8% is to what and of what?

(flame shield on...)

 

[Hulamoon]

Per what Base123 says.

Not a rocket scientist, but how is that possible for mass(mg)/volume(ml) to be calculated in percentage? 1.8% is to what and of what?

(flame shield on...)

 

[HOPS]

Ha, figured I'd get reamed on that one... I cannot answer that, all I can do is report what I've seen. Some companies do use the %'s, and they are always in the same increments that I see mg's in. Took a wild shot at it...

 

[Stosh]

OK so who all flunked metric system in school.....

It's simple 18mg/L=1.8% because there's 1000 ml in a liter, so if 1.8% of the ml are nicotine you end up with 18ml out of each 1000 ml or 1.8%.

Bottom line they're the exact same measurement expressed in two different formats.....

 

[JUDGMENT AFFIRMED]

OK so who all flunked metric system in school.....

It's simple 18mg/L=1.8% because there's 1000 ml in a liter, so if 1.8% of the ml are nicotine you end up with 18ml out of each 1000 ml or 1.8%.

Bottom line they're the exact same measurement expressed in two different formats.....

But, i didn't have metrics, when i went to school.

 

[HOPS]

Judgement Affirmed: I'm in Beaver Falls... Small world LMAO!

 

[grandmato5]

Bottom line they're the exact same measurement expressed in two different formats.....

What Stosh said ^

 

[ImThatGuy]

OK so who all flunked metric system in school.....

It's simple 18mg/L=1.8% because there's 1000 ml in a liter, so if 1.8% of the ml are nicotine you end up with 18ml out of each 1000 ml or 1.8%.

Bottom line they're the exact same measurement expressed in two different formats.....

That is a false statement. They're not the same measurement. Mass is not the same as volume. Grams is the measurment of mass. Liters is the measurement of volume.

However, your calculation does have sound. I have no experience in making ejuice, but the numbers you provided make sense. My next statement will probably contradict what I agreed upon...

(18mg: 0.018mg/ml) On that note, here's a follow-up. On average a cigarette has about 9mg (before intake through combustion of analog) of nicotine. Based on the numbers you have provided would it be wise to say one would have to vape about 500ml of ejuice to equal 1 cigarette?

 

[Figgy]

That is a false statement. They're not the same measurement. Mass is not the same as volume. Grams is the measurment of mass. Liters is the measurement of volume.

However, your calculation does have sound. I have no experience in making ejuice, but the numbers you provided make sense. My next statement will probably contradict what I agreed upon...

(18mg: 0.018mg/ml) On that note, here's a follow-up. On average a cigarette has about 9mg (before intake through combustion of analog) of nicotine. Based on the numbers you have provided would it be wise to say one would have to vape about 500ml of ejuice to equal 1 cigarette?

I believe it would work if all the components in the solution had the same mass by volume as water. If I recall correctly the weight of one mg is set as the weight of 1 ml of water. But I do not know the relative weights of nicotine solution, PG, and VG.

 

[rondasherrill]

The measurement of mg is just because people don't like to say the whole phrase milligrams per milliliter.

18mg nicotine means there is 18mg of nicotine per mL, which is the same thing as 1.8% of the liquid content per mL.

Basically, if you were to buy a bottle of 18mg unflavored Nicotine in a PG base, then it would be 98.2% PG, and 1.8% nicotine. It doesn't sound like much, but remember that a single drop of pure nicotine on your skin could kill you.

 

[zuzette]

That is a false statement. They're not the same measurement. Mass is not the same as volume. Grams is the measurment of mass. Liters is the measurement of volume.

However, your calculation does have sound. I have no experience in making ejuice, but the numbers you provided make sense. My next statement will probably contradict what I agreed upon...

(18mg: 0.018mg/ml) On that note, here's a follow-up. On average a cigarette has about 9mg (before intake through combustion of analog) of nicotine. Based on the numbers you have provided would it be wise to say one would have to vape about 500ml of ejuice to equal 1 cigarette?

not 9mg in a cig.... 0.9 mg. that means an entire pack has about 18 mg.

 

[rondasherrill]

not 9mg in a cig.... 0.9 mg. that means an entire pack has about 18 mg.

From a quick google search:

The average cigarette in the United States contains about 9mg of nicotine. However, this is not the amount of nicotine that is ingested by the smoker. Cigarettes are burned and the smoke is inhaled by the person, so the nicotine is absorbed through the smoke. The amount of nicotine that actually enters the body in this manner is typically less than 1mg.

Read more: How Much Nicotine Is in One Cigarette? | eHow.com How Much Nicotine Is in One Cigarette? | eHow.com

 

[Edstasic]

Take that avatar off rondasherrill!!! Dont you know every image of an angel will become an angel itself!!?? you will kill us all!

hehehe

Anyway, back on topic: the absorption efficiency of nic (EDIT) is different from one another. That might come into equation but im too tired to think right now, just wanted to get this idea out there, good luck.


EDIT: I had it backwards, my apologies and thanks for the information .

 

[recidivus]

Vaping =/= smoking, it's not as simple as taking two numbers side by side and having a result. It's not rocket surgery but it is more complex than that.

A lot of nicotine in tobacco gets burnt up. Now, if you were to eat a couple smokes you'd get very very very sick, hastily. Not just from the taste (ugh) but because it's toxic and that's what the body does when it's poisoned.

Needless to say, PAD+ smokers usually start on 24-36mg juice and don't generally suffer from nicotine sickness, but they ARE getting an adequate amount to keep cravings at bay. So no, you don't have to vape half a litre to get a pack of smokes. I don't even think it's possible to vape that much in a 24 hour time span.

Oh, I also read that 100% nicotine is actually 1050mg, it's just easier to round down to 1000, those extra 50 are a drop in the bucket.

Oh Oh. I think cigarettes are more efficient at nicotine delivery. Ammonia is added to "freebase" increasing its absorption, plus the fine particulate do a great job at creating lots of itty bitty cuts in the lungs and esophagus, allowing it to move more freely directly into the blood stream. They're very specifically designed to give you the most nicotine as quickly as possible.

 

[DaveP]

Add to that the absorption percentage from vaping. Depending on the atomizer and the voltage you are vaping at you get somewhere between 10% and 30% of the amount you would absorb from a cigarette containing the same amount of nicotine. Cigarettes have additives that enhance absorption and smoke particles are tiny enough to be more fully absorbed by the alveoli in the lungs. Mist droplets from vaping are much larger and most don't deposit themselves efficiently in the lungs. You get more absorption from the droplets that condense onto the mucous membranes of the mouth, throat, and sinuses.

If you want more absorption, exhale through the nose. Less? Blow it back out your mouth. We vape like fiends because the nicotine delivery system of ecigs isn't as efficient as the delivery system of burning tobacco containing additives. We look like vapor stacks, but that's what it takes to satisfy our needs when we first start to vape. Later on, not as much because we are becoming used to less nicotine over time, but still just as satisfied.

 

[zuzette]

From a quick google search:

i disagree with the article. wikipedia sites "about 1 mg in a cigarette" and this web site lists the nicotine amounts by brand for hundreds of cigarettes.
Erowid Tobacco Vault : Info on Nicotine Content of Cigarette Brands

these numbers are the official numbers recognized by the ftc. the numbers range from 1.6 mg per cig to as little as .1 mg per cig.

9 mg is clearly incorrect and is probably a typo.

 

[Stosh]

......the official numbers recognized by the ftc. the numbers range from 1.6 mg per cig to as little as .1 mg per cig.
9 mg is clearly incorrect and is probably a typo.

You're comparing apples and oranges, the amount of nicotine in the tobacco and the amount of nicotine still left in the smoke after burning the tobacco. Most of the nicotine is destroyed in the heat (it's why our juice oxidizes and turns dark). Smoking the cig verses say eating the cig (bleeeeech) will deliver very different doses of total nic....