New Indoor Bans - Please Help!

[JustJulie]

I think they're toying with us.

 

[D103]

What a scam It won't register me either.

 

[D103]

I don't trust any site like that........ I will steer clear!

 

[nojoyet]

My comment, while not brilliant, is now posted.

Perhaps the site was/is just having a problem. Another confirmation letter has arrived in the meantime.

 

[wave42]

These vapors blown out by the smoker is the same a traditional cigarette, just as toxic. Indistinguishable!"

Brian, the legislator, makes idiots look brilliant.

 

[bassnut]

Here's some interesting reading while you're waiting for your confirmation:

Metroland: Have You Heard of Brian Scavo? Maybe Your Daughter Has!

 

[Janetda]

FYI, after a lot of technical difficulties, we finally have the Vapers Coalition site set up with auto-emails for these three indoor bans for both CASAA and NVC members. Please go to Vapers Coalition for more information.

We really need to get letters out to these legislators because it's pretty obvious that they have no idea what they are doing.

 

[kristin]

My confirmation finally came through about an hour and a half later!

Finally posted.

I think I'm a little testy - it's short and "sweet." LOL

I'm so fed up with these people!!

E-cigarettes do NOT CONTAIN ANTIFREEZE!

E-cigarette liquid contains only FDA-approved ingredients: propylene glycol, glycerine, nicotine and food flavoring.

Yes, propylene glycol can be found in antifreeze (along with WATER), but it is added to make it LESS TOXIC. You are thinking of ETHYLENE glycol, which IS toxic and the main ingredient in regular antifreeze. This is NOT in e-cigarettes.

Propylene glycol is in toothpaste, mouthwash, baby orajel, personal lubricants, make up, hand cream, etc. It's approved by the FDA for human consumption, topical uses and intravenous pharmaceutical drugs!

And REAL research has shown that the exhaled vapor is NOT a hazard to bystanders. The exhaled vapor contains so little nicotine and propylene glycol and dissapates so quickly, even if you were in a 10 x 10 room with 50 e-cigarette users, you'd have a hard time getting anything from the vapor into your lungs.

To condemn e-cigarettes, a PROVEN safer alternative, while deadly tobacco cigarettes remain on the market is the definition of insanity!

Allowing the indoor use of e-cigarettes keeps smokers from going outside to inhale toxic smoke and poses no second-hand risks. How is that not a GOOD thing?

What are you people thinking??

 

[Vocalek]

Emails sent. Can you correct the CASAA name in the body of the messages? "Smokefree" should be "Smoke-Free". I made the corrections in mine before I clicked the Send button.

 

[kristin]

Is the Northhampton one supposed to only go to Ben Wood? He seems to be the only addressee in the "To" field?

 

[kristin]

I think it would be good to not only address exposing full vapers to second-hand smoke, but also that by allowing vaping indoors, it encourages smokers to try safer e-cigarettes instead of going outside to smoke deadly traditional cigarettes!

 

[bassnut]

Emails sent.

 

[D103]

I would only add to Kristin's excellent response - "It's approved by the FDA for human consumption, topical uses and intravenous pharmaceutical drugs." I would add... and FDA approved safe for inhalation in combination with FDA approved medications. See PARI PHARMA - while several of their FDA approved EFlow nebulizers are currently in "clinical trials" at least one has completed the trials and is fully FDA approved and currently on the market.

 

[kristin]

To the auto-generated emails I added a couple of changes, if anyone is interested in using them:

After many years of smoking, I now use an e-cigarette/ nicotine vaporizer instead of smoking. I have heard that proposed changes to regulations concerning smoking that are being considered would force me to stand in a smoking area to use my nicotine vaporizer in public places in Northhampton. I am sure that you would not want your non-smoking constituents to be exposed to second hand tobacco smoke once they have quit smoking. Additionally, by allowing the use of e-cigarettes indoors, smokers of traditional cigarettes will be encouraged to try this safer alternative, rather than go outside to smoke a deadly cigarette! Northhampton officials would be doing greater good for overall public health by ENCOURAGING the use of e-cigarettes, rather than attempting to treat them as a threat.

A number of public officials have gone on record recognizing that the e-cigarette does not violate existing smoking bans because it does not produce any smoke. For example:
http://www.vaag.com/OPINIONS/2010opns/10-029-Peace.pdf
Ban doesn't include electronic cigarettes | Featured Story | Wichita Eagle.

As I am now a non smoker, I feel that it would violate my right to a smoke free environment if I am forced to stand in a smoking area and I fear for the hundreds of thousands of smokers who might otherwise try e-cigarettes if they were allowed indoors. I am sure this would be the unintended consequence of the proposed bill.

DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IT!!!

 

[bassnut]

DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IT!!!

Uh-oh....

 

[Mr.Stick]

Man, I just plain went to the flag as abuse button. For the detail field in the abuse report, I simply stated that the claim of the author that e-cigarette vapor is as toxic as, and is indistinguishable from traditional cigarette smoke, is false, misleading, and verges on libel... even though it does not 'verge on libel', as it is in fact libelous.

Honestly, if I was a juice manufacturer who was doing pretty well for myself, I would be dragging this guy right through the court system.

 

[ezmoose]

I was trying to comment when suddenly and without notice the link became invalid. Did Mr. Scavo get run off by truth?

 

[ezmoose]

Here's a pdf of the cache; he can't deny what he said now!

Unfortunately, the comments were not in the cache; they are (were) stored elsewhere.

 

[IVapus]

What a Bozo! Unbelievable.

 

[ChipCurtis]

I am shocked that Northampton, MA is trying to ban e cigs indoors. This city is about the most liberal one I have ever been to. I grew up near Northampton and it is a college city with very open minded attitudes. I am quite surprised to hear this.

Actually, it doesn't surprise me at all. The mayor there, Claire Higgins, tried relentlessly to attempt a ban on an adult book/DVD store trying to open up there. She lost. She tried every trick in the book, especially the "what about the children" line. As though parents don't have a responsibility to raise and teach their own children values.

It seems proposterous, I know, but politically it kind of makes sense if you know the 'type': late 80s/early 90s style feminism that often sided with conservative forces to shut down "anything pleasurable". These types are now running that city.