New Jersey Statewide Ban In Process

[TheBoogieman]

The Bill just passed in Paramus changed the definition of "Smoking"

From.........
"Smoking" means the burning of, inhaling from, exhaling the smoke from, or the
possession of a lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe or any other matter or substance which contains tobacco or any other matter that can be smoked.

To........
d. "Smoking" means the burning of, inhaling from, exhaling the smoke from, or the possession ofa lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe or any other matter or substance which contains tobacco or any other matter that can be smoked, including electronic cigarettes.

Reasoning behind this from GASP's website.

The e-cigarette product is inhaled, and creates a smoke (as admitted by e-cigarette websites -see below) upon exhale. The heating element in the e-cigarette heats and vaporizes the nicotine/propylene glycol solution, creating the 'smoke'.
Therefore, since the product is 'smoked' and creates a 'smoke', our interpretation is that the product is not permissible for use in public
places and workplaces that are covered under the NJSFAA.
We surveyed some e-cigarette websites, some of which admit that their product creates a 'smoke', and that the product is 'smoked', etc. For example, Smokeless Revolution’s website admits many times, that the product creates a 'smoke'

http://www.njgasp.org/E-Cigs White Paper.pdf

 

[TheBoogieman]

http://www.paramuspost.com/article.p...91123113913817

The Bill would.........
Include e-cigarettes in the New Jersey Smoke Free Air Act, which prohibits smoking in indoor public places and workplaces. It was unanimously released today by the Assembly Health and Senior Services Committee.

The Health and Senior Services Committee of New Jersey helps fund NJGASP.
The now President of GASP was former Commish the New Jersey Department of Health and Senior Services.

Wagner/Voss Bill

Its now a merged legislation (A-4227/A-4228)
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bi...00/4227_U1.HTM

ASSEMBLY HEALTH AND SENIOR SERVICES COMMITTEE STATEMENT
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bi...00/4227_S1.HTM

Wagner and Conaway on Bill Package to Restrict Sale, Use of E-Cigarettes
(A-4227/A-4228)

http://videos.nj.com/2009/11/wagner_...l_package.html

 

[cyberwolfrob]

Lived in dirty jerz for 5 yes and this sounds just like em. all this on top of moving the tobacco age to 19? (only state required to be 19 to purchase)

 

[TheBoogieman]

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The Senate Health, Human Services and Senior Citizens Committee will consider legislation that would regulate the sale and use of the increasingly popular electronic cigarettes. The bills, S-3053 and S-3054, sponsored by Sen. Robert Gordon (D-Bergen) and Sen. Joseph Vitale (D-Middlesex) would prohibit the use of electronic cigarettes in indoor public places and workplaces and prohibit the product from being sold to minors.

 

[RatRacer]

That kind liberty squashing BS is the reason, along with the car insurance rates, I moved away from there.

 

[cyberwolfrob]

That kind liberty squashing BS is the reason, along with the car insurance rates, I moved away from there.

I am sure you know what a jersey driver is like. I can honestly see why the insurance rates are so ridiculous. Off topic: jerz is the only stae to have " jug handles" on its roadways lol

 

[NJDrew]

figures.... I hate this state sometimes...most of the time

 

[Tom09]

Bill was introduced in Assembly Health Committee session on November 23. There is an audio file this session available. For those interested: select listen to November 23 Committee, section relating to e-cigs starts at around 47:50. File includes a testimony of John Hopper (Paramus‘ health officer) and support expressed by alphabet soups.

Assembly bill (A-4227/A-4228) is presently scheduled for Assembly Floor session this Monday; and the identical, parallel running Senate version (S-3053/S-3054) is scheduled for Senate Health Committee session on Monday, December 7, too. [NJ Legislature website]

 

[smc]

"Exhaling the smoke from... "

You could always use juice that does not produce 'smoke'. The pure PG juice I mix barely produces any vapor.

Ahh I did not register the 'possession' line. I guess you could call a mod a personal vaporizer or nebulizer.

 

[moony]

figures.... I hate this state sometimes...most of the time

Amen the most corrupt... may they burn in hell those who want us to smoke cancer.

 

[mallie233]

Lived in dirty jerz for 5 yes and this sounds just like em. all this on top of moving the tobacco age to 19? (only state required to be 19 to purchase)

gotta be 19 in Alabama.

 

[Slickstick]

The Bill just passed in Paramus changed the definition of "Smoking"

From.........
"Smoking" means the burning of, inhaling from, exhaling the smoke from, or the
possession of a lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe or any other matter or substance which contains tobacco or any other matter that can be smoked.

To........
d. "Smoking" means the burning of, inhaling from, exhaling the smoke from, or the possession ofa lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe or any other matter or substance which contains tobacco or any other matter that can be smoked, including electronic cigarettes.

Reasoning behind this from GASP's website.

The e-cigarette product is inhaled, and creates a smoke (as admitted by e-cigarette websites -see below) upon exhale. The heating element in the e-cigarette heats and vaporizes the nicotine/propylene glycol solution, creating the 'smoke'.
Therefore, since the product is 'smoked' and creates a 'smoke', our interpretation is that the product is not permissible for use in public
places and workplaces that are covered under the NJSFAA.
We surveyed some e-cigarette websites, some of which admit that their product creates a 'smoke', and that the product is 'smoked', etc. For example, Smokeless Revolution’s website admits many times, that the product creates a 'smoke'

http://www.njgasp.org/E-Cigs White Paper.pdf

This is because they are ignorant. It is not smoke. It is harmless vapor and it dissipates almost instantly. Virginia is also beginning a smoking ban. And people in power abuse their authority an make up lies.

 

[Storyspinr]

I think people in New Jersey can shoot this down legally. I checked a number of scientific definitions of "smoke" and here are some of them (words in caps are my emphasis).

SMOKE is defined as:

1. The vaporous system made up of small particles of carboneous matter in the air, resulting from the BURNING of organic material.
2. A mixture of carbon-dioxide, water vapor and other particles of SOOT or other SOLIDS produced by the BURNING of carbon-containing materials such as wood or coal.
3. A cloud of solid or liquid particles in gas.
4. A hot vapor containing fine particles of carbon being produced by COMBUSTION.
5. The cloudlike gas and particles of SOOT given off by something that is BURNING.

Another way to attack their definition of "smoking" is how the difference between vapor and smoke can be determined:

1. Water vapor will evaporate and dissipate very quickly (as we see with e cigs), while smoke is microscopic ash particles that will not dissipate as fast, and,
2. Moisture accumulates on whatever you put over water vapor, while smoke will manipulate the color of whatever you put over it.

This can be physically demonstrated by blowing e cig vapor into a kleenex; nothing will appear, other than possibly a little moisture. However, if you do the same thing with a cigarette, after a few puffs the yellow "color manipulation" will be obvious.

Just because some website describes vaping as "smoking" does not make it so. Hopefully, some honest politician (do they exist?) will pay attention to the facts for a change.

 

[Tristar4]

Hopefully, some honest politician (do they exist?) will pay attention to the facts for a change.

Honest politician? Quite an oxymoron these days, especially in the state of New Jersey.

 

[skydragon]

When are we vapers going to get of our butts and start really fighting back. If you haven't noticed, "pretty please" is just not working.

 

[BenJammin]

Unfortunately, science has nothing to do with law. In court, words mean what the law says they mean. That's why they go through the trouble to define terms. It's a shell game those blood suckers have been playing since the profession began. They get away with all kinds of atrocities in the name of the public good by re-defining words beyond their common sense meanings.
I'd like to quote my old high school civics teacher, Mrs. Hankerson, on this one: "Children, I give you my deathbed promise. Don't ever let me hear the word fair come out of your mouths. Fair is about doing what is right. Life is not about fair, it's about what is legal. 150 years ago, my family was in chains. That was never fair. That was never right. But it was once legal. That, my darlings, is why you have to be very careful who you allow to represent you in government. Your vote is the only real power you have, please don't misuse it or dismiss it. Or we're all going to have to live with your mistakes... but only until we vote the bums out."
My great-grandfather, an Arkansas moonshiner, had a different take on the legal system. "It ain't illegal til you git caught."
If they want to play word games, fine. Start stocking up on stealth juice. If you can't see it, then it obviously isn't there now is it? Blackout your LEDs, now it is not 'lighted' anymore, is it? No, I'm not smoking an electronic cigarette, I'm sucking on a Flavor Stick.

 

[smonomo]

I've heard that nicotine wards off Alzheimers. My father and my stepfather smoked all their lives, they were both fit, and as sharp as a tack until the day they died. My stepfather lived to be 99.

I will continue to take a little nicotine each day for medicinal purposes, and for pleasure.

 

[Bigbuyer]

This is really bad for NJ. I am tired of all this...

 

[Tom09]

[...] You could always use juice that does not produce 'smoke'.
[...] I guess you could call a mod a personal vaporizer or nebulizer.

Actually, the definitions appear to be broad enough to cover the semantics game.

Definitions in the current version of this bill do read:

“Electronic smoking device” means an electronic device that can
be used to deliver nicotine or other substances to the person
inhaling from the device, including, but not limited to, an electronic
cigarette, cigar, cigarillo, or pipe.

"Smoking" means the burning of, inhaling from, exhaling the
smoke from, or the possession of a lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe or
any other matter or substance which contains tobacco or any other
matter that can be smoked, or the inhaling or exhaling of smoke or
vapor from an electronic smoking device.

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bills/A4500/4227_U1.PDF

 

[TheBoogieman]

Senate Bill was approved 6-0 today by the Senate Health, Human Services and Senior Citizens Committee.
Gordon/Vitale Bill Would Ban Sale Of So-Called ?E-Cigarettes? | Politicker NJ

NJ Legislative Process
It is now on Step 6 from above