I'm just hoping this legislative session ends before the question is called on this bill. With the Marriage Equality Act coming out of committee, I'm hopefull that will eat up a good bit of time before the session ends.
New Jersey Statewide Ban In Process
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Ecigs do not produce smoke, they produce vapor. Smoke would be from something burning. So what would they do, arrest you for creating vapor? They're so stupid and uneducated that they don't even know what they're talking about.
There is not a valid reason to ban ecigs. I hope they pass that law. It's got a major error in it, one that may not hold up in court. I also wonder if an e-cig includes a box mod,
d. "Smoking" means the burning of, inhaling from, exhaling the smoke from, or the possession ofa lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe or any other matter or substance which contains tobacco or any other matter that can be smoked, including electronic cigarettes
I don't see that their description can include ecigs, since e-cigs do none of the above.
There is not a valid reason to ban ecigs. I hope they pass that law. It's got a major error in it, one that may not hold up in court. I also wonder if an e-cig includes a box mod,
d. "Smoking" means the burning of, inhaling from, exhaling the smoke from, or the possession ofa lighted cigar, cigarette, pipe or any other matter or substance which contains tobacco or any other matter that can be smoked, including electronic cigarettes
I don't see that their description can include ecigs, since e-cigs do none of the above.
When, oh when will they outlaw the boiling of water in public places? Boiled water creates a smoky-looking vapor that may be potentially harmful, because no one knows precisely what's in that water! Think Of The Children™.
Speaking of whom, I guess all these cool vapor toys are about to be outlawed for public use in Jersey... Products: Zero Toys Online Store
Speaking of whom, I guess all these cool vapor toys are about to be outlawed for public use in Jersey... Products: Zero Toys Online Store
N.J. Assembly committee approves e-cigarette ban | New Jersey Real-Time News - - NJ.com
N.J. Assembly committee approves e-cigarette ban
The Senate version of the bills (S3053 and S3054) now heads to the full Senate for a floor vote.
***MULTIMEDIA PACKAGE*** Wagner, Conaway on Bill Package to Restrict Sale, Use of Electronic Cigarettes | Politicker NJ
N.J. Assembly committee approves e-cigarette ban
The Senate version of the bills (S3053 and S3054) now heads to the full Senate for a floor vote.
***MULTIMEDIA PACKAGE*** Wagner, Conaway on Bill Package to Restrict Sale, Use of Electronic Cigarettes | Politicker NJ
Note the vote: 76-0.
Doesn't "zero" say a lot? About intent? About perceptions that cannot be changed? These are no longer ripples of dissent we're seeing; there's a tsunami crashing down on e-smoking. We saw it coming and all we can do now is ride the surf before it breaks up into froth and foam.
Hope for the best; prepare for prohibition.
http://www.politickernj.com/droseman/35326/wagner-voss-legislation-combat-e-cigarettes-approved-assembly
Doesn't "zero" say a lot? About intent? About perceptions that cannot be changed? These are no longer ripples of dissent we're seeing; there's a tsunami crashing down on e-smoking. We saw it coming and all we can do now is ride the surf before it breaks up into froth and foam.
Hope for the best; prepare for prohibition.
http://www.politickernj.com/droseman/35326/wagner-voss-legislation-combat-e-cigarettes-approved-assembly
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I guess I'll be hanging on to all those flavors I have that I think are yucky, LOL.
So they went to a few websites and took note that some of us affectionately refer to the term vaping as smoking, but of course we're not really smoking...
*We're pretending to smoke* with our *Fake cigarettes*
This is all a ......n hoax!....These e-cigs aren't real cigarettes...they're ......n fake cigarettes....this ain't smoke...it's ......n steam!
I want my money back!!!
*We're pretending to smoke* with our *Fake cigarettes*
This is all a ......n hoax!....These e-cigs aren't real cigarettes...they're ......n fake cigarettes....this ain't smoke...it's ......n steam!
I want my money back!!!
Just out of curiosity, what is their reason for banning e cigs?
Smoking bans are based solely on the claim secondhand smoke presents a "hazard" to nonsmokers. If the antis had not convinced the politicians and the public secondhand smoke was a hazard, there would be no bans.
So, why are they banning a device that produces no secondhand smoke? What is their scientific reason?
If they have none, then they are revealing their true intent. They have a long-stated goal of "denormalizing" (their word) smokers, and convincing others that smokers were a danger to them was part of that process. The fact they now want to ban e cigs for no scientific reason, to me, proves they are not against the smoke so much as they are against the smoker.
Smoking bans are based solely on the claim secondhand smoke presents a "hazard" to nonsmokers. If the antis had not convinced the politicians and the public secondhand smoke was a hazard, there would be no bans.
So, why are they banning a device that produces no secondhand smoke? What is their scientific reason?
If they have none, then they are revealing their true intent. They have a long-stated goal of "denormalizing" (their word) smokers, and convincing others that smokers were a danger to them was part of that process. The fact they now want to ban e cigs for no scientific reason, to me, proves they are not against the smoke so much as they are against the smoker.
You sir win a prize. That is exactly the reason. Its not the smoker they are after though. Its the ecig. It looks like a cigarette and acts like a cigarette. No proof that it does the same harm as a cigarette. But that doesn't matter.
<<If they have none, then they are revealing their true intent. They have a long-stated goal of "denormalizing" (their word) smokers, and convincing others that smokers were a danger to them was part of that process. The fact they now want to ban e cigs for no scientific reason, to me, proves they are not against the smoke so much as they are against the smoker.>>
<<If they have none, then they are revealing their true intent. They have a long-stated goal of "denormalizing" (their word) smokers, and convincing others that smokers were a danger to them was part of that process. The fact they now want to ban e cigs for no scientific reason, to me, proves they are not against the smoke so much as they are against the smoker.>>
I wrote this to Wagner:
Dear Assemblywoman Wagner,
To be brief, passing the ban on e-cigarettes in public sets a dangerous precedent in grouping electronic cigarettes (personal vaporizers) into the same bucket as traditional tobacco burning cigarettes. These products have undoubtedly helped many tobacco users kick the cigarette habit like no other product on the market. By treating them the same as cigarettes, we are misclassifying the device and encouraging smokers to stick to cigarettes, which is extremely dangerous to their health. I have read the language of the proposed legislation and strongly believe that classifying the vapor emitted by electronic cigarettes as "smoke" is both historically and scientifically incorrect. It is not smoke. The vapor produced has only been heated, not combusted. Scientists agree that the ill effects of smoking are concentrated in the matter that is combusted There is virtually no second hand effect (which is the key point to public bans) regarding these personal vaporizers (e-cigarettes) and any public ban on them does little to promote the general well being. Instead, it is my opinion that a public ban on these products is much more based in the desire to enforce a certain social image, and not so much the health of the public. These personal vaporizers (e-cigarettes) have been a godsend to many smokers. The UK arm of ASH agrees that they are a much needed alternative to traditional cigarettes Please do not move forward with this ban as by misclassifying personal vaporizers as cigarettes we are doing smokers a disservice, as well as bordering on scientific and intellectual dishonesty. Thank you for your time,
MK
it is scientifically dishonest... there is no point to this ban other than to promote a certain social image. you can't even smell the dang vapor after a second... its fairly asinine that the anti smoking lobby is going after personal vaporizers with such fervor; from a public health perspective, it makes no rational sense.
Dear Assemblywoman Wagner,
To be brief, passing the ban on e-cigarettes in public sets a dangerous precedent in grouping electronic cigarettes (personal vaporizers) into the same bucket as traditional tobacco burning cigarettes. These products have undoubtedly helped many tobacco users kick the cigarette habit like no other product on the market. By treating them the same as cigarettes, we are misclassifying the device and encouraging smokers to stick to cigarettes, which is extremely dangerous to their health. I have read the language of the proposed legislation and strongly believe that classifying the vapor emitted by electronic cigarettes as "smoke" is both historically and scientifically incorrect. It is not smoke. The vapor produced has only been heated, not combusted. Scientists agree that the ill effects of smoking are concentrated in the matter that is combusted There is virtually no second hand effect (which is the key point to public bans) regarding these personal vaporizers (e-cigarettes) and any public ban on them does little to promote the general well being. Instead, it is my opinion that a public ban on these products is much more based in the desire to enforce a certain social image, and not so much the health of the public. These personal vaporizers (e-cigarettes) have been a godsend to many smokers. The UK arm of ASH agrees that they are a much needed alternative to traditional cigarettes Please do not move forward with this ban as by misclassifying personal vaporizers as cigarettes we are doing smokers a disservice, as well as bordering on scientific and intellectual dishonesty. Thank you for your time,
MK
it is scientifically dishonest... there is no point to this ban other than to promote a certain social image. you can't even smell the dang vapor after a second... its fairly asinine that the anti smoking lobby is going after personal vaporizers with such fervor; from a public health perspective, it makes no rational sense.
However absurd their actions appear to us, they are on a mission. These people are cultists. Logic, reasoning and facts have no relevance. If it looks like it can be a smoker or a cigarette, it must be dealt with no mercy. If they can catagorize vapers and pv's with smokers and cigarettes, they are the same easy target. Since facts do not matter to cultists, they will proceed at full speed in their mission in spite of those pesky facts.
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I agree with prohibiting the sale to minors. That makes sense to me.
Are we freaking out too much about the indoor public places part though? It seems to me private places (bars, restaurants etc.) would be at the discretion of the owner as it should be. What % of places can actually be considered "indoor public?"
If you allow the public to enter (store, restaurant, bar, etc), it's considered to be an indoor public place.
Sparky400
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Oh OK. Thanks.
Now, I realize the law really depends on the NJ law definition, but I checked the Wikipedia entry and it said, "area or place that is open and accessible to all citizens, regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, age or socio-economic level." [Links removed.]
Does this mean that a bar or restaurant that has a smoking section off limits based on age then it could permit use of e cigs?
At any rate it does seem like the NJ government does have it in for smokers or is just really ignorant about the second hand smoke.
If they really cared about "the children" wouldn't they also ban them from outdoor public places on the grounds that children are too impressionable?
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That's ridiculous. I would say to just get rid of NJ as a state, but where else would all of my trash go?
edit: and you have to realize that the vast majority of people don't even know what e-cigs are. You can still use them in public places, just don't do it in front of a cop. Not like there are tell-tale signs that you were vaping, like other illegal things you could do.
edit: and you have to realize that the vast majority of people don't even know what e-cigs are. You can still use them in public places, just don't do it in front of a cop. Not like there are tell-tale signs that you were vaping, like other illegal things you could do.
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Next thing you know they are going to ban my hot coffee for smoking...and then they'll see that there are two things in life that will make me completely miserable....not having my coffee (caffeine) and not having my nicotine....what a bunch of crap. Sounds to me like they just want all the 18 year olds to have to pay the toll to get a pack of smokes in another state....what a racket.
Maureen
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A couple of things ...
1. There is already a complete ban on smoking in bars and restaurants. Many towns have gone even farther than that by putting in place bans on smoking within "x" feet of the door of the bar. Some beaches even have smoking sections.
2. Who are they after? Anyone who isn't smoking a regular cigarette. While some of the crusaders think they're really looking out for your health, a good many of them are in the pocket of the Big Tobacco lobby. And it's only going to get worse once Christie is in office because his run was subsidized in part by the Altria Group.
Hope and pray Marriage Equality eats up this season. The government re-organizes after the New Year. Hopefully Christie and the legislature will be too busy biting each other in the back to care about us.
heh, we can also throw the steam setting on irons out the window, or how about vaporizers for colds? we need to protect the population from harmful water vapor!
can these people not see past their own absurdity?
And so they should ban yours and everyone elses hot coffee in public places. I don't drink coffee, why should I have put up with the smell, and breathe the second hand, drug laden smoke from your coffee.
btw, I just sat down to a big bowl of smoking hot beef stew....Holy Smoke!!... you should have seen the vapor coming off of that stuff!
I can only hope I didn't cause harm, or offend any vegetarians that were sitting close by
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