New source of liquid/custom flavours & DIY stuff

[angelique510]

Quote:
"We researched time ago this issue as well with our fiscal accountants. So far, for the Italian legislation, we are allowed to withdrawn VAT only if the recipient owns a VAT number ( and our shop offer this option at the end of purchase )."


We will keep you and our valued customers updated on the issue, both by newsletter and website news.

I wonder if my husband's tax ID number (he got it so he can buy his leather working supplies wholesale) would work for that.

If someone from the forum is interested in starting a business, this would be a good one to get into, I'm sure. It has gotten me thinking about applying for a business loan.

But, according to the one poster, even including the VAT and shipping, the price per ml for juice isn't bad at all.

~A

 

[Scottes]

OK guys, take it to PMs or something. This place isn't your personal battleground.

Take it outside.

 

[ZambucaLu]

This thread is being reopened for those of you who want to continue the OP's discussion.

Mark and Hifi, your posts are being deleted. If you want to continue your debate about vat (or whatever point you're trying to make), take it Outside.

Stay out of this thread unless you can contribute to the flavourart and DIY topic.

Lu

 

[AlexTM]

Hope it's OK if I add to an old thread, but I didn't want to let that stand uncommented.

The bacon flavor?

Don't bother. In my opinion, bacon flavor is the finest flavor in the world, and I purchased this to see if it was a true bacon flavor. It was mind-wreakingly awful. My atty won't let go of the memory of this flavoring either. I've resorted to soaking in vodka - which I've never had to do before. I only used 15% flavor.

Actually, I would say there's probably the problem: FA flavours are meant to be used in quantities like 1-5%. So if bacon (which I have not tried) is one of the stronger ones which use only about 1%, you used 15 times the amount needed. Even if 5% are needed to make a decent taste, that is still three times that amount.
I'd say there is an excellent chance that 3-15 times the amount needed of about anything would make for a god-awful taste.

It's one of the things I like about FA - I just have to pour rather smallish quantities of it into my liquid.

 

[sjohnson]

Agree, I take care to use USP products and PGA in my DIY mixes, having to add small amounts of flavor is great! Instead of a yellow or brown liquid, I'm getting the same or better flavor in a clear, nearly colorless liquid. My atomizers like it better, too!

 

[Lucacri]

They are awesome!
Little story: for Christmas I came back to visit my family in italy and the amazing Air Europa lost my luggage. No big deal. The biggest problem was that my homemade liquids (90 mls, just to be sure I didn't need more for just 10 days) were inside it!
I managed to resist for 3 days with the 801 cart but it was definitely over. I called them in the morning of the 28th explaining the emergency situation and he was incredible: he told me that usually it takes them like 2 days (and they were also backed up for Christmas orders etc) but he was able to make the order for the afternoon!

I bought one 30ml bottle of 36Mg Marlboro and one 30ml of 24mg Virginia.
I got there in the afternoon and we had a really nice chat for almost 30 minutes They were really friendly and the lab was the dream of every DIY guy!
He even gave me a free sample of MTS Vape Wizard because apparently it's really awesome. I'll try to use it as soon as I get back in NY.

I told him he saved me from smoking analogs again (I had to buy a pack of those cancer-givers because I really needed some nicotine...)

As far as the flavors:
The marlboro: it is REALLY the best marlboro I've ever tried. I stopped searching for a tobacco flavor a while back because, at the end, all the flavors tasted like ashtray. This one has a rich resembling of the real deal. I probably got too much nicotine percentage (36) so smoking it plain it's a bit too harsh. It's incredible to realize that those flavors are at 2% only!!!!

Virginia: I don't usually go crazy for Virginia in general but right now I'm smoking it because this one has a nice sweetish aftertaste. Me like it

I asked him about their procedures in the making of the flavors and he told me they use USP Grade Nicotine at 100% and they cut it with all the USP grade stuff. I had the feeling that they really were putting a lot of care in the choice of the elements of the liquid. No more junkie juice from China!

He told me they are making a deal with an American supplier so they can sell in USA without so many problems of shipping/etc. That's great!

So, 100 miles to roundtrip but now I got a real nice set of juice. I'll definitely buy flavors from them (I have enough nicotine at home for the next 2 years, so i have to DIY)

 

[rave]

Hope it's OK if I add to an old thread, but I didn't want to let that stand uncommented.



Actually, I would say there's probably the problem: FA flavours are meant to be used in quantities like 1-5%. So if bacon (which I have not tried) is one of the stronger ones which use only about 1%, you used 15 times the amount needed. Even if 5% are needed to make a decent taste, that is still three times that amount.
I'd say there is an excellent chance that 3-15 times the amount needed of about anything would make for a god-awful taste.

It's one of the things I like about FA - I just have to pour rather smallish quantities of it into my liquid.

I understand that this is true for most folks AlexTM; but after 41 years of smoking menthol analogs (up to 2 packs a day) my taste buds are toast. I could take a bite of apple and a bite of onion and barely percieve a difference. Although I've been off of the analogs since August, it has not made much of a difference. In order to detect any flavor at all with the Flavourart flavorings, I need to go at least 15%. For other flavorings, like Capella's or Faerie's Finest, I have to go 50%!! If I can't taste it, I won't vape it. What is sufficient for most is not necessarily sufficient for all.

 

[Lucacri]

Rave, you should try the FlavorArt's at 6-7% max (3 times the suggested amount) if you are actually fine with a 50% for the cappella's! I usually mix 10% with the Lorann or a 20% with Cappella's, therefore your taste buds are 1.5 to 2.5 times less receptive then mine

 

[rave]

I have. When I DIY with Flavourart, I start at 5% and keep adding until it is palatable for me. Sorry folks, but lower percentages just don't cut it for everyone. Hopefully, it won't harm anything using larger percentages, but even if there is some harmful element I don't think it can be as bad as analogs.

 

[AlexTM]

I myself have smoked up to 40 analogs per day, the last two decades menthol. So I do know about taste buds that are not quite as they should be. I also had a few phases in the last month were for a day or two I tasted very little at all. And if even Clove doesn't taste like much, your taste buds are on holiday. I use those days to vape away what I don't like that much, anyway.

However, when you say you can't really distinguish between an apple and an onion, that actually points more to a problem with smell than one with taste. Because most people actually can't taste that particular difference if they can't smell (because they pitch their noses, for example, or during a really bad cold), or at least they have considerable difficulties with that. People who loose their sense of smell also loose a lot of their sense of taste with it, even if the latter is technically completely intact. Those two are closely interwoven.

Nevertheless, of course, if you need more flavour, then you need it, whatever the reason. However, I imagine that it is entirely possible that using so much flavour may bring out sub-flavours which just would not be so dominant when you use less, so maybe the fairly large amount had something to do with the taste being awful. It is IMO at least a possibility. Of course, the other possibility is that this particular flavour is just gawd-awful to vape
(I myself have a problem getting the peanut going – its not bad, it just does not taste like much yet, and I am at ~8%.)

And I utterly agree on that one point: Even if there is stuff in there that might not be the epitome of healthy: There was presumably a lot worse (and a lot more of it, too) in analogs.

 

[rave]

It may not be entirely the fault of smoking for all of those years. I have multiple sclerosis, and it seriously screws with my senses.

 

[LuxDelux]

I'm still waiting for their tobacco range, but I have vape wizard and a bottle of 100ml unflavored 18mg.

Liquid is great on it's own.

I made a bottle of it with some capella that turned to my disliking (the flavors that is). So the vape wizard came in handy to kinda kill them off (although people try to avoid that lol).

So besides it's intended use (as I figure to kind of balance out the whole liquid) it's also nice to have to kill of flavors that might have turned out too strong or generally not good for you and then adding lets say their tobacco flavoring into it. I'm guessing I'd get a kinda analog feel to it

 

[voltaire]

Just thought I'd mention that Flavour Art's products are available in N. America (Canade) through:
Happy Vaper - Canadian Quality Electronic Cigarette/Personal Vaporizers and DIY Smoke Liquid

I'm not sure if they are the sole N. American distributor, or not. If anyone knows of any others, please post. Since this thread focuses a lot on the issues/costs of ordering from Italy, it would be nice if someone could update the first post with this info.

-I've never bought anything (yet) from HappyVaper or FlavourArt so this isn't a recommendation, and I haven't compared prices/shipping between the two, so I don't know how much better one is over the other.

 

[mwa102464]

Just made a huge order from flavor art two days ago I will review the service and flavor as soon as I get my order in

 

[mwa102464]

can someone elaberate on the vape wizard I have some ordered and its on the way to me, what exactly does it do to the juice when mixed and the vapor does it add any inhale taste or after taste or whatever you could tell me about it or pointers in mixing I would gretly appreciate it a whole bunch

 

[Stingray]

Thanks for the heads up on this company. I just placed an order with them also! I ordered 8 flavors and pizza flavor too! I just had to order the pizza flavor out of curiosity. Hmm I wonder if it will be sausage or peperoni?

Funny you should mention these 2.
[useless trivia]
The first time i took a trip to Italy i found out that pepperoni pizzas over there are made with peppers (red bell, etc), and sausage pizzas are made with what we might call pepperoni.
[/useless trivia]

 

[Stingray]

It would be impossible to remove VAT charges as all the prices for private people have to include VAT for EU legislation even if you sell outside EU.
All EU sellers have vat included on their prices but they generally don't show separated values.
Flavourart shows separated values cause if they sell products to a company outside italy they can sell without added VAT.

When did they start doing that? Every time i have been across the pond, when i get ready to come home i get a form to fill out for reimbursement of the VAT.

 

[Stingray]

Grrrr, I just realized where this company is in italy. They happen to be very close to where i used to go for work 4 times/yr.

Oh well, guess i will have to plan a vacation to those beautiful lakes Como and Maggiori or the Alps now. Oh yeah, and take along a huge empty suitcase.

The Piedmont region of Northern Italy is beautiful with those Lakes, the Alps, and some of the best wine country in the world.

 

[rave]

Stingray - be verrry careful with that pizza flavoring. It is oil based, and only tiny amounts should be used if at all. I also ordered the pizza a long time ago but haven't tried it because I haven't wanted to foul an atty.

 

[Stingray]

I don't plan on trying the pizza flavoring at this time. I am also staying away from the oil based flavorings. I have enough to do figuring out vaping recipes for the pg/vg/water based flavorings at the moment.

Does sound interesting tho. I was just wistfully remembering some REAL Italian pizza i had while on travel. Incredible!