New to E-Cigs, Whats going on?

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SheerLuckHolmes

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Very complicated topic. To get whole picture try wading through it all.

For a very incomplete, biased cilff note approach:

IMO, Big Pharm and Big tobacco are lobbying states and feds to ban e-cigs. E-cigs are the first REAL competition they have ever encountered that seriously threatens their strangle hold on those of us addicted to nic and analogs. So it has to be crushed.

Again, IMO, if you want to get off tobacco, get e-cigs. Study, research and find the device(s) that work for you. Learn how to make your own juice. Focus on what you want, not on what you do not want or are afraid might happen. Get started now to enjoy vap'n and start lessening your nic levels.

Do this and you will be fine regardless of what the money whores in congress, state governments and the FDA do or do not do.
 

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I just commited to E-Cigs and now i'm reading of some type of ban. Theirs a lot of info in this forum but its kind of all over the place at the moment and I don't know whats going on with this "ban".

Could someone explain it a little bit for some of us new guys?
California just passed legislation a few weeks ago banning the sale of e-cigs until the FDA approves them. Right now, we are all calling/emailing/tweeting Gov Schwarzenegger to veto the bill, because it is the last chance to stop this bill from becoming law.

As goes CA, so will go many States eventually.
 

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so what did the FDA find so far?

The FDA tested only two brands of cartridges and found trace amounts of nitrosamines, which are common to every type of tobacco-derived nicotine.

And in one of the 20 cartridges, they found a small amount of ethylene glycol in one of the cartridges. Ethylene glycol is not generally found in e cigs, but this e cig manufacturer obviously had a quality control problem and the cartridge was contaminated.

In any case, the FDA via the media politicized the issue -- going on and on about the "carcinogenic nitrosamines", even though the amount found in e cigs was even lower than those found in Nicorette gum or Commit lozenges, both of which products are FDA approved & available over the counter -- and immensely lower than the amounts found in cigarettes. And the "ethylene glycol" was made to sound as though it was some "essential component to e vapor", rather than just an accidental contaminant in a single e cig cartridge.

In any case, now State and County governments feel forced to "do something about e cigarettes" and many are passing laws against them until the notoriously slow FDA approves them. If that happens, we won't see a legal e cig until doomsday.

To add insult to injury, major pharmaceutical industries and the cigarette industry have combined forces to finance a campaign against e cigs with our legislatures, because both groups lose money when we are using e cigs and not their products.

The whole thing irritates me to no end! :cool:
 

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What I wonder is... How could they ever ban the hardware? I mean, the FDA has no jurisdiction over batteries. And, as far as I know, there are no controlled substances in an atomizer. Blank carts are just plastic and poly fill.
So in my mind the only thing that could ever be banned is the juice and the use.
The use is easy to get around as it is SO easy to stealth vape. I have vaped in rooms (and stadiums) full of people and no one was the wiser.
That just leaves the juice. Even that could not be banned in 0nic form. My wife mixes up PG and lorann flavors and just vapes that. So really all that's left is the nicotine. To me it seems like that's ALL the FDA could ever control.
Am I missing something?
 

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yep, you're missing the whole "drug and drug device" argument that the FDA is using. It's not about it being a battery or atty. The hardware is a medical device according to the FDA and therefore subject to their rules and regulations.


So someone couldn't sell an atomizer as a glove warmer and a battery as a battery:confused:
 

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It is just so goofy. Banning the device as a 'drug device' - to me means that they must then ban all battery operated table top air fresheners, Vicks (tm) medicated battery powered vaporizers, some types of humidifiers, fog machines, some toys, you name it.

Bunch of balogna. :(

Seeing as how all of the above devices are *not* under investigation... I wonder if some of the mainstream mods can get under the FDA radar at least? Just being sold as a personal vaporizer, or some sort of unrelated product that us horrible people can just happen to use them for such things as vaping.

Basically to me it is like the local alternative stores carrying all shapes and sizes of crack pipes and water bongs. But somehow they are legal due to the fact that they can fall under 'glass art' and regular tobacco pipes. Extremely shallow, very small and short lived bowl tobacco pipes that is. PFT! - If the FDA can use the 'If the shoe fits wear it' approach... then why can't ALL law enforcement agencies use it to take down drug enforcement items, etc??
 
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Kmel

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I am pretty sure that the sale of E-Cigs in California is still legal. Can someone provide a link to this?
I'm too much of a newbie to able to link directly, but add the usual http & w's to this take the spaces out of it & it should get you there:

aroundthecapitol.com /billtrack/text.html?bvid=20090SB40091ENR

It shows the bill that was sent to the Governor that we are hoping he will veto!
 

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The whole thing irritates me to no end! :cool:
IMO, Big Pharm and Big Tobacco are lobbying states and feds to ban e-cigs. E-cigs are the first REAL competition they have ever encountered that seriously threatens their strangle hold on those of us addicted to nic and analogs. So it has to be crushed.



Again, IMO, if you want to get off tobacco, get e-cigs. Study, research and find the device(s) that work for you. Learn how to make your own Juice. Focus on what you want, not on what you do not want or are afraid might happen. Get started now to enjoy vap'n and start lessening your nic levels.



Do this and you will be fine regardless of what the money whores in congress, state governments and the FDA do or do not do.


We are most definitely in agreement here. (Both statements). It is extremely frustrating, especially to those of us who try and try and try to quit smoking with no luck (for the main reason that we don't want to quit) and when we finally find a healthier alternative, they try to take it from us. (and just so as to avoid any problems, I realize they haven't been proven to be healthier... but i'm sorry, to me anything has to be healthier than analogs.) I've only had my e-cig for a month or two now, but since I've gotten it and taken the time to get used to it, i've tried smoking an analog on one or two occasions, and I could not stand it. It's just absolutely ridiculous. :mad:

I'd really think that they should ban analogs before e-cigs, since they are more harmful to people who aren't even smoking. (Personally I think they should just quit and leave them both alone, since this country was supposed to have been founded on freedom of choice.)

On a side note here, i'd just like to state for the record, this is more of a rant than anything, and i'd like to apologize if I shouldn't have done it here or if anything I said was offensive to anyone. In short, just my $.02. Thanks
 
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