New to vaping and need some help

[Frttg_Chz]

Hey guys, I’ve only been vaping for a few weeks and I have a Smok Al85. The past few days I’ve noticed the body of my mod gets quite hot while I’m vaping. Sometimes the battery cap gets hot enough that it hurts my hand a bit. I have been vaping at a higher wattage the past week than I was before 65-70watts as opposed to 30-40watts previously so if it’s normal for the mod to get pretty hot at a higher wattage then that’s cool, just want to make sure my mod isn’t in danger of blowing up or anything. I’ve also checked both batteries that I use and neither is bulging or damaged at all.

 

[stols001]

I don't have a smokalien so I'm not sure how much heat is a problem or not Does it happen all the time? When you chain vape? What kind of batteries (name and model number) are you using in your device? Sometimes batteries get rebranded and given higher ratings than they actually have, and they can get overstressed at higher wattages. If you can post a pic of your batteries that would be even better.

Anna

 

[vapdivrr]

If its warm, I would say it's normal , but hot is not good. Probably pushing to hard . What exact batteries do you have? Are they getting hot as well?

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[Frttg_Chz]

Thank you both for replying, here’s a pic of my batteries.

 

[Baditude]

The tank and mouthpiece may get pretty hot at 60 -70 watts, especially if you chain vape. They are getting hot because your pushing a lot of wattage through those coils and the heat you feel is transferred heat from the hot coils. But the mod or batteries should NOT feel hot to touch at all. IMHO, they should not even feel warm.

I'm also curious what batteries you are using. Make and model?

Edit: Those Samsung 30Q are probably the best 20 amp batteries that you can use, but they are probably only good up to 60 watts and anything more you're pushing them.

Regularly pushing a battery will decrease how long they will work per charge and will also decrease their life expectancy over time. As a battery ages the mAh of the battery degrades, as the mAh decreases, so does the battery's c rating (amp limit). The battery's internal resistance increases, too.

The capacity loss reduces their run time directly. The increased internal resistance increases the voltage sag you see from them, effectively decreasing their run time even further. So down the road, your 20A battery may only be a 10A battery.

If you find that you must vape over 60 watts on a regular basis you may need to get 30 amp batteries. Be aware that they are only 1500 mAh so they won't last as long as a 3000 mAh battery.

60W or higher:
LG18650HB6 1500mah 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB2 1500mAh 30 amp CDR
LG18650HB4 1500mAh 30 amp CDR

30W-75W:
Sony 18650VTC5A, 2500 mah 25 amp CDR

30W-60W:
LG 18650HG2 3000mah 20 amp CDR
LG 18650HE2 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Samsung 18650 30Q, 3000 mah 20 amp CDR
Samsung 18650-25R, 2500 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18659VTC6 3000mAh 20A CDR
Sony 18650VTC5, 2600 mah 20 amp CDR
Sony 18650VTC4, 2100 mah 23 amp CDR
AW 18650 3000 mah 20 amp CDR

The Sony VTC5A is a 25 amp 2500 mah battery that might also fit your needs better than a 20 amp battery.

 

[suprtrkr]

Hi and welcome. The batteries you pic appear to be Samsung 30Q cells. That's what the label says and the wrap is about the right color. The 30Q, while an excellent cell, is only a 20A battery according to our resident expert, @Mooch . I wouldn't push it past about 60 watts, myself. If you want to vape that high on a single battery mod, go with the Sony VTC5A, the LG HD2C or any of the LG HB series batteries.

No matter what, the body of your mod getting "quite hot" and the battery door getting hot enough to "hurt [your] hand a bit" are definitely bad signs. Warm is no problem; hot indicates something is wrong. Cut that mod back to 50 watts or so until you can get some stronger batteries is my advice.

 

[Frttg_Chz]

Thanks guys, I’ll give a 30amp battery a try. The problem has only started since I’ve started vaping at 70watts so I assume that must be a big part of the problem.

 

[QcVaper]

Thanks guys, I’ll give a 30amp battery a try. The problem has only started since I’ve started vaping at 70watts so I assume that must be a big part of the problem.

You could always get a dual battery mod instead like the full size alien mod,by doing so you'd be able to use any 2 married batteries as long as you don't go over like 120 watts (that's MY max rating since i use 20 amps brown Lgs)

and to simplify the term "married" (in case you don't know ofc) is pretty much using 2 batteries together from box to trash and charging them together on an external charger (preferably)

 

[MJCSD]

Hello and Welcome to ecf

 

[AzPlumber]

Thanks guys, I’ll give a 30amp battery a try. The problem has only started since I’ve started vaping at 70watts so I assume that must be a big part of the problem.

Yep. sounds like you are pushing those batteries too hard. Heat is what damages batteries and can cause issues. Lower your wattage until you can get higher rated GENUINE batteries.

 

[BrotherBob]

Hey guys, I’ve only been vaping for a few weeks and I have a Smok Al85. The past few days I’ve noticed the body of my mod gets quite hot while I’m vaping. Sometimes the battery cap gets hot enough that it hurts my hand a bit. I have been vaping at a higher wattage the past week than I was before 65-70watts as opposed to 30-40watts previously so if it’s normal for the mod to get pretty hot at a higher wattage then that’s cool, just want to make sure my mod isn’t in danger of blowing up or anything. I’ve also checked both batteries that I use and neither is bulging or damaged at all.

Welcome and glad you joined.
Since vaping is scalable, you may want try a few different vape options to obtain your desired taste requirements.
Might like to read:
Resistance is futile. Ohms are not king. Wattage is. • r/electronic_cigarette
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/wattage-vs-flavor.7252/

 

[zoiDman]

Thanks guys, I’ll give a 30amp battery a try. The problem has only started since I’ve started vaping at 70watts so I assume that must be a big part of the problem.

The Battery Cap getting Hot to the Touch is a Very Bad Sign. Because Batteries are Not Designed to be used at such Temperatures.

Battery Amp Draw for a Single Battery Regulated Mod is...

Watts divided by Lowest Battery Voltage divided by the Mods Efficiency. Using 3.2v for the Mod's Battery Voltage Cut-Out and a conservative 90% Mod efficiency you get...

70 Watts / 3.2 Volts / .9 Efficiency = 24.3 Amps.

That Isn't good for a 20A Battery. But check this out. Say a Mod had a Battery Voltage Cut-out of around 2.8 Volts.

Now look what happens...

70 Watts / 2.8 Volts / .9 Efficiency = 27.7 Amps.

Yikes.... That Isn't Good at All. And if you throw in some Battery Voltage Sag, well, you would be Way Over the Line for a 20A CDR Battery.

Here is a Good Thread where Battery Cut-Out Voltages are discussed.

Cut-off Voltages of Mods

 

[zoiDman]

The Battery Cap getting Hot to the Touch is a Very Bad Sign. Because Batteries are Not Designed to be used at such Temperatures.

Battery Amp Draw for a Single Battery Regulated Mod is...

Watts divided by Lowest Battery Voltage divided by the Mods Efficiency. Using 3.2v for the Mod's Battery Voltage Cut-Out and a conservative 90% Mod efficiency you get...

70 Watts / 3.2 Volts / .9 Efficiency = 24.3 Amps.

That Isn't good for a 20A Battery. But check this out. Say a Mod had a Battery Voltage Cut-out of around 2.8 Volts.

Now look what happens...

70 Watts / 2.8 Volts / .9 Efficiency = 27.7 Amps.

Yikes.... That Isn't Good at All. And if you throw in some Battery Voltage Sag, well, you would be Way Over the Line for a 20A CDR Battery.

Here is a Good Thread where Battery Cut-Out Voltages are discussed.

Cut-off Voltages of Mods

ETA: Everything above is Based on a Battery being in a "Good Condition".

And that what the Numbers say on the Wrapper IS what the Battery Cell actually is underneath.

 

[OlderNDirt]

I have an AL85 that works fine at 30 or so watts and short trips out and about. More watts or out for a couple hours or longer and a dual 18650 mod goes with me. Even a 25a battery is being pushed at 70 watts, not to mention the battery life will take a serious hit. Put a dual battery mod on your Christmas wish list and be very, very good for the next 3 weeks!

 

[zoiDman]

... Put a dual battery mod on your Christmas wish list and be very, very good for the next 3 weeks!