New Tobacco law already taking it's toll?

[aidenunder]

As TropicalBob mentioned Florida just passed a huge tax on tobacco in Florida ( on top of the national one)
They knew it would run the cigar making companies out, they excluded them, but they just don't care about the other related jobs being ran out .
Tax this, tax that .. it's getting quite ridiculous around here.
What bothers me.. they get away with it because everyone doesn't like smokers and it's a popular thing to hate on.
But let them do that and next will be soda's ( in process) and anything else they don't like. Too much goverment control and taxes in our lives and it's just a toe hold in the door and opening to give them even more.

if i was still a smoker id be paying 8$ a pack here in florida i guess i quit just in time i remember when it was 3.50$ for 2 packs of newports slowly it went to 6.00$ 3 weeks ago it was 10$ for 2
and now it will be 15$ for 2 i believe and these are the buy one get one free packs

 

[Surf Monkey]

Smokes were $0.75 per pack when I started. When I quit they were $5.00 or so (in Oregon.)

 

[mre5674]

Surf Monkey,

Sorry for the late response...Basically, there's nothing more to say...these things are NEVER created with Public Health or benefit in mind. It's big business getting together with a selected representative to secure the interest of said party. Now, it just so happens that Obama (a smoker) is the one who gets credit / blame for something that was barreling down the pipeline. Very convenient timing I should say...Nothing is accidental, and I would go so far to say that njoy could possibly be a P.M. owned entity (considering how fast and ballsy they were at flooding the e cig. market) in order to bring everything to surface in such a short amount of time...

 

[timh]

when I started smoking I was paying 25 cents a pack .$2.10 a carton in the army at the P.X. .

 

[PatriciafromCO]

ok have to say am sorry for being on the dense side... But what exactly is the bottom line to all this.. ?? What are they trying to get.. They not getting rid of Tabacco products, they not going after the nicotine patches, or gum

so "what" is this all about ? gaining sole control of the industry for a few chosen few.??

 

[C-kool Dad '09]

when I started smoking I was paying 25 cents a pack .$2.10 a carton in the army at the P.X. .

19 Cents a pack USAF Base 1967

 

[Surf Monkey]

I'm not naive enough to think that the government makes a habit of acting in the public interest in the majority of cases, but I think it's overly cynical to suggest that they never do. Evidence of successful government initiatives are all around us. Obviously the truth is in the middle (as usual.) A better bill could have and should have been crafted. The blame for the pro-corporate legislation we got lies on the shoulders of Congressional Democrats. Obama gets his share of blame too, but the fact of the matter is that a veto would have been overridden in the Senate anyway, so it makes sense for him to just sign it and avoid the political fallout. It's a fairly easy equation for any politician to make: veto and take a political hit or sign and take the political credit.

As far as Altria and NJOY/JOYE Tech go, I've already agreed that the notion that they could be shadow companies. It makes sense, but there's no evidence to support that idea at the moment. If it's true, score one for Altria (or RJR.) I think this idea is supported by the fact that the overall legislation is weak, providing very little new regulatory authority and no authority to ban. It also includes several huge loopholes that are bound to allow the sale of PVs sooner or later.

 

[Surf Monkey]

so "what" is this all about ?

We don't really know for sure. Speculation is the order of the day.

Culture war (anything labeled "smoking" must be squashed no matter what)?

Tax revenue (government isn't getting a cut on this tobacco product so far)?

Attempt to shut down competition for American tobacco companies?

Any of these and a dozen others could be at the core of the FDA's actions.

 

[PatriciafromCO]

appreciate the reply... and just for fun I will put this out there.. I went to through this the same thing having sites shut down concerning holistic healing idea's and products.. That was several years ago,, and many of the books I have are not available to be found anymore.. So not a sit around and wait type of person.. I make my own herbal infussions and so forth not to have worry about buying products that the FDA allows,, (who knows what are in them to allow them) so am happy to make my own..

2009 Exotic Plant and Garden Seed Catalog so will see how tabacco growing goes,, I see lots of US sites have stop selling their tabacco seeds due to restrictions. Don't know if I can grow cure and make infusions/extractions but hell,, don't know until you try right.. Lots of holistic stuff still out there, so all the hype was like a world wind and then nothing. Some how my gut saids the tabacco world will weather the same type of storm and there will still be e cigs to be have and all their products... American's never lay down and die,, they just learn, they more independent then they thought they were...

 

[TropicalBob]

Gotta address one point:

He should stock electronics.

He sells the Ruyan Jazz next to his register, in the most visible spot in the store. He's sold a few .. nothing spectacular. Smokers really aren't that interested in a tech toy. They want cigarettes.

But there is no way a small brick and mortar operation would try to stock the stuff we use. Too many parts, too many failures, too many returns, too much trouble. Way too much trouble. E-liquid strengths and flavors galore. No way. Forget it. Disposables are the only answer in a store like his. And he's pleased with every one he sells. Tobacco flavor or menthol? Take your pick. One strength. Tamperproof unit. Use it and and toss it. Just like a cigarette. And now .. priced right!

 

[mmmvaping]

Gotta address one point:

He sells the Ruyan Jazz next to his register, in the most visible spot in the store. He's sold a few .. nothing spectacular. Smokers really aren't that interested in a tech toy. They want cigarettes.

But there is no way a small brick and mortar operation would try to stock the stuff we use. Too many parts, too many failures, too many returns, too much trouble. Way too much trouble. E-liquid strengths and flavors galore. No way. Forget it. Disposables are the only answer in a store like his. And he's pleased with every one he sells. Tobacco flavor or menthol? Take your pick. One strength. Tamperproof unit. Use it and and toss it. Just like a cigarette. And now .. priced right!

I know what you are saying, but in all industry there has and will always have problems with products. And to toss batteries away like there a soda bottle isn't something we need to do. I have had this same 510 battery for over a month and juggle between two attys every other day and there still going strong and my spare still hasn't been used yet. With out haveing problems there can never be room to grow and make the Ecigs better. Look at the first ecig....or the Njoys cigs they suck. the 510 is a much better quality of an ecig and cheaper. But if it wasn't for the mistakes I would be vaping the supermini crap ecig and not the 510.

And tropic Bob I have nothing but respect for you. just voicing my input.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Disposables are the only answer in a store like his. And he's pleased with every one he sells. Tobacco flavor or menthol? Take your pick. One strength. Tamperproof unit. Use it and and toss it. Just like a cigarette. And now .. priced right!

Good deal. That's exactly what I meant. Obviously he's not going to stock 510s. As much as I find the idea of disposable PVs abhorrent, I'd rather people bought them than traditional smokes, and of course you're right that they're the only logical solution for mini-mart type places. With any luck some of the people who buy them will investigate further.

 

[Surf Monkey]

And to toss batteries away like there a soda bottle isn't something we need to do.

No doubt. But as you say, the product has to evolve somehow. If rank and file consumers aren't interested in them, that'll never happen. If it takes "hooking people" with disposables, maybe that's a price we have to pay. I'd rather see people buying ones where you only toss a single piece cart/atomizer, and that would be the next logical step when ramping people up. It'll be interesting to see how the market develops over the next few years.

 

[eturf]

I used to spend a good bit of money with small US businesses for tobacco and supplies before the 2500% tax hike on stuff/roll your own tobacco. Now I am sending over $200 per month to China.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I used to spend a good bit of money with small US businesses for tobacco and supplies before the 2500% tax hike on stuff/roll your own tobacco. Now I am sending over $200 per month to China.

Are you ordering from Chinese suppliers? Because if you're not, a fair chunk of that $200 is staying right here in America.

 

[dopple]

That being said, you already pointed out the critical point. They tax the crap out of cigarettes because smokers have become loathed by society. It's a culture war, not rational policy. Smokers only make up less than 2 in 10. The general population has been trained to hate them. They're too small a minority and too loathed to do anything about it, so they get treated like crap.

Where do you find this minority??? My experience has smokers as the majority....

 

[fresca]

Latest Gallup Update Shows Cigarette Smoking Near Historical Lows
Only 21% of Americans report smoking cigarettes in past week

Source: Latest Gallup Update Shows Cigarette Smoking Near Historical Lows

 

[Stephaniems]

Alot of people lie about that, my aunt being one of them. She hides it from most people and since she hides it and only buys packs not cartons, then shes' a non smoker (yeah weird I know)

That being said there are a ton less smokers from when I was a kid, EVERYONE smoked but 1 of my grandma's back then.

 

[mmmvaping]

No doubt. But as you say, the product has to evolve somehow. If rank and file consumers aren't interested in them, that'll never happen. If it takes "hooking people" with disposables, maybe that's a price we have to pay. I'd rather see people buying ones where you only toss a single piece cart/atomizer, and that would be the next logical step when ramping people up. It'll be interesting to see how the market develops over the next few years.

i agree with you so maybe the best way to sell the ecigs in gas stations and stores alike would go along the lines of the KR808D (Vapor King) Buy the kit for the batteries then buy the carts as needed. Multiple mg levels and two or three diff flavors. 1 cart equals 1 pack of cigs. cuts down on battery toss simply recycle the metal carts. that way it keeps the trash down a little. just throwing that out there. from what you were talking about....just sample from your reasoning.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Seems like a good plan to me. The less garbage the better.