New Type DC-DC Converter Mod

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Shekinahsgroom

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Hey wiseguy,,,, don't let me come over there, I know where you live... :laugh:

Glad to have ya over, Dave!

Make sure ya bring the Mrs. with ya so we can all sit down and talk about the little "trist" you had last month! :laugh:

And make sure you wash your socks this time!

Smell like burnt rubber....
 
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LOL, it wouldn't be the first time Rocket.

Dave has a way of just "clamming-up" at the right moment.

He's "Watching TV, and checking back once in awhile..."

He's really enjoying this thread, though....

Are your still here Shek? Go make something or better yet go find me some more secret converters my friend... :laugh:

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sssshhhhh, Don't tell the others. It's just between you and me. okay?
Hope they are all asleep by now
 

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breakthru, isn't that circuit limited to 6 amp through the switch?
Inductor switching current might be much higher than output current.
I think it is somewhat related to I(output max)= I(switch max) X (V(in/Vout).

Wouldn't that circuit be limited to about 3.75 amp @ 6 volts with 3.7 volts in
(with optimum L and C)?
 

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breakthru, isn't that circuit limited to 6 amp through the switch?
Inductor switching current might be much higher than output current.
I think it is somewhat related to I(output max)= I(switch max) X (V(in/Vout).

Wouldn't that circuit be limited to about 3.75 amp @ 6 volts with 3.7 volts in
(with optimum L and C)?

Current capability can be increased by adding an external mosfet switched by the internal mosfet.
 

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Switching losses at higher frequencies affect efficiency significantly.

I was initially surprised by the increase in loss I saw on the bench as switching frequency went up. At one point, I wanted to build a booster with a very small inductor. I saw efficiency go down the toilet when switching frequencies got into the MHz. I've found the ideal frequency to be around 600KHz. Much higher and you sacrifice too much efficiency. Much lower and things start getting too big. We're talking about a buck converter here not boost, but I imagine you'd see the same thing since the only difference between them is the placement of the inductor, rectifier, and switch.
 

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I was initially surprised by the increase in loss I saw on the bench as switching frequency went up. At one point, I wanted to build a booster with a very small inductor. I saw efficiency go down the toilet when switching frequencies got into the MHz. I've found the ideal frequency to be around 600KHz. Much higher and you sacrifice too much efficiency. Much lower and things start getting too big. We're talking about a buck converter here not boost, but I imagine you'd see the same thing since the only difference between them is the placement of the inductor, rectifier, and switch.

Buck and Boost both suffer switching losses, that's why the commercial devices are all around the 600kHz range, it seems to be the "sweet spot". I tend to lean towards the 300kHz range for higher efficiency still and remain in the .50 x .75 pcb area.
 

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Buck and Boost both suffer switching losses, that's why the commercial devices are all around the 600kHz range, it seems to be the "sweet spot". I tend to lean towards the 300kHz range for higher efficiency still and remain in the .50 x .75 pcb area.

Do you mind sharing the type of booster for a single battery that could handle 1.5 ohm dual coils at around 4.5 volts that is only .50 x.75 in size sounds very interesting thanks.
 

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I don't know of a commercial "off-the-shelf" module with that kind of power output. The PTN04050C is good for 12W, but you're looking for 13.5W. I build my own boost converters with 30W output capacity using one of the myriad of controller chips you can buy, that and a high drain LiPo flat cell to support the large input currents. Sounds like CapeCAD is also building his own DC-DC converters.
 

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Yes, it is relatively expensive to make your own. You'll spend twice as much just on the parts. Then you need to make the PCBs or pay to have them made. However, if you want something custom, that's what you have to do. The modules you can buy are quite a deal if they suit your needs, highly compact too. Unfortunately, I have yet to see an off-the-shelf boost module with higher output power. You'd think there'd be a demand for that kind of thing, but I guess not.
 
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