New vaper looking for advice

[YorkieMama]

I've had the Provari P3 about 2 months and am loving it. Got the Titanium because it is a pretty heavy otherwise. Also the nautilus P3 tank with it is a great pairing. Expensive but worth it in the long run. I wasted a lot of money on junk until I took the leap. Good luck

 

[gyrex]

The Provari (by Provape) is a top of the range battery/mod system. Maybe THE top of the range battery, or "MOD" e-cigarette. It is a tube mod, meaning it takes a battery into the tube. The batteries are numbered things like 18350, 18450/18500 or 18650.

The 18 = the width of the battery (quite fat).
The 350, 450, 650 is the length of the battery. 3.5cm, 4.5cm, 6.5cm.

There are even 26*** series batteries. They are HUGE!

Tube mods are long... especially in an 18650 casing with the chip.
Box mods are shorter and fatter and squarer!

So do the photos on their website of the "thing" below include a battery?

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[djsvapour]

You could consider the JoyeTech eGo ONE. It's basically a mechanical mod with built in protection.

The eGo ONE is a revolutionary product (there, I admit that). It's a very powerful system.
Revolutionary in size and power.
Personally speaking, it is too powerful for me and I would not use one.
Do I like it? YES! Have Joyetech refined the tank systems on it? YES and NO. It's not perfect.

 

[djsvapour]

The "thing" below... LOL

That is a tube (beautiful and complicated and impressive) that houses a battery... YES!

I still wouldn't buy one. I get bored of stuff. I'd rather have my 3 iSticks, 2 box mods, 3 mechanical mods and the 'old but gold' legacy products.

If I wanted one device for a desert Island.... sure, why not.

 

[gyrex]

Remember, I'm really after a compact design if possible - how big are these e-cigs?

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[Susan~S]

Ok I'm getting confused now, what's a mechanical mod?

Here are the pros/cons of a true mechanical mod. @Baditude put this list together.

Pro's for a Mechanical APV:

1. Ability to sub-ohm. Early regulated devices were not designed to sub-ohm; recently the higher wattage regulated APV's can vape sub-ohm, but with all of that power the same effect can be obtained with normal resistance coils.
2. Durability and longevity. With no internal electronics to fail, a mechanical mod is considered to be a more durable choice over a regulated APV.
3. Aesthetics. Many prefer the simple and elegant appearance of a mechanical.
4. Simplicity. A mechanical is simply a glorified battery holder, fire button, and 510 connector.

Cons for a mechanical APV:

1. No processor protection circuitry. This feature protects against many short circuits, reverse battery protection, over-heating, over-discharging the battery, etc. Without this feature, YOU THE USER must be constantly aware of potential dangers of short circuits. The vast majority of mechanical mods use a bottom-firing switch; IMO these may result in a potential auto-firing event if the APV is set down on its bottom or placed in a pocket. Some of these have a locking mechanism to prevent auto-firing, but who locks their fire switch each and every time they stop vaping?
2. The quality of the vaping experience will gradually and progressively decline over the course of the battery used between charges.
4. The only way to change the vaping experience is to change the atomizer (coil) resistance (ohms).

Pro's for Regulated APV's:

1. Protection circuitry against short circuits.
2. Power regulation. You can increase or decrease the voltage or wattage to suit your vaping preference. It will also keep your chosen power output constant regardless of the charge on the battery.
3. Built-in voltage and resistance meters.
4. Some regulated mods use a built-in, rechargeable (non-removeable) battery using a common USB charging cable.

Cons of regulated APV:

1. Often not as durable as a mechanical mod, because of the internal electrical components.
2. Until the advent of the more recent high wattage APV's, they could not power sub-ohm.
3. Aesthetics. Often not as physically attractive as many of the finer mechanical mods.

 

[djsvapour]

Remember, I'm really after a compact design if possible - how big are these e-cigs?

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Now... that's another issue. The Provari with the 18650 extension tube is quite big. All 18650 mods are very big, some bigger than others. The Innokin SVD, for example is a MONSTER!

That's why (partly) the boxes are so popular.

 

[djsvapour]

I think this thread might need a DJS "phone photo for comparison"....

Let me see what I can do. It won't be quality (blame Mr Sony) but it'll be clear for size comparisons.

 

[gyrex]

Here are the pros/cons of a true mechanical mod.

Pro's for a Mechanical APV:

1. Ability to sub-ohm. Early regulated devices were not designed to sub-ohm; recently the higher wattage regulated APV's can vape sub-ohm, but with all of that power the same effect can be obtained with normal resistance coils.
2. Durability and longevity. With no internal electronics to fail, a mechanical mod is considered to be a more durable choice over a regulated APV.
3. Aesthetics. Many prefer the simple and elegant appearance of a mechanical.
4. Simplicity. A mechanical is simply a glorified battery holder, fire button, and 510 connector.

Cons for a mechanical APV:

1. No processor protection circuitry. This feature protects against many short circuits, reverse battery protection, over-heating, over-discharging the battery, etc. Without this feature, YOU THE USER must be constantly aware of potential dangers of short circuits. The vast majority of mechanical mods use a bottom-firing switch; IMO these may result in a potential auto-firing event if the APV is set down on its bottom or placed in a pocket. Some of these have a locking mechanism to prevent auto-firing, but who locks their fire switch each and every time they stop vaping?
2. The quality of the vaping experience will gradually and progressively decline over the course of the battery used between charges.
4. The only way to change the vaping experience is to change the atomizer (coil) resistance (ohms).

Pro's for Regulated APV's:

1. Protection circuitry against short circuits.
2. Power regulation. You can increase or decrease the voltage or wattage to suit your vaping preference. It will also keep your chosen power output constant regardless of the charge on the battery.
3. Built-in voltage and resistance meters.
4. Some regulated mods use a built-in, rechargeable (non-removeable) battery using a common USB charging cable.

Cons of regulated APV:

1. Often not as durable as a mechanical mod, because of the internal electrical components.
2. Until the advent of the more recent high wattage APV's, they could not power sub-ohm.
3. Aesthetics. Often not as physically attractive as many of the finer mechanical mods.

Thank you so much for your detailed response! However, somehow I'm even more confused. What is a mechanical apv and a regulated apv? Should I read something to bring me up to speed? Remember I'm only a week or so into vaping and I hastily bought an ego-t because my first apv broke while travelling...

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[gyrex]

Ok, maybe I should clarify, I'm ready to spend some money but just need some guidance on what to buy so I don't keep blowing it on counterfeit/poor quality goods. Should I keep my ego batteries and just buy new clearomizers? Should I buy a new "kit" like the provape?

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[gyrex]

And thank you all so much for helping me! I promise I'll return the favour when I get more up to speed

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[djsvapour]

OK... just made it in time.

This is a picture for you to consider.

Left to right.

e-liquid (10ml), 18650 Battery, real tobacco cigarette, plastic cig-a-like e-cigarette, iTaste VV v.3 (no tank), iStick 30w with subtank mini, Joyetech EVIC v.1 with subtank nano (18650) mod, Vamo V5 with mini Nautilus (18650).

 

[coilburner]

I think you would highly benefit from keeping your ego batteries you have and buying a tank like an aspire ets or a kanger mini protank 3. both look great on an ego battery and only add a little to the size compared to the ego t tank you have. Oh, they also work great.

 

[gyrex]

OK... just made it in time.

This is a picture for you to consider.

Left to right.

e-liquid (10ml), 18650 Battery, real tobacco cigarette, plastic cig-a-like e-cigarette, iTaste VV v.3 (no tank), iStick 30w with subtank mini, Joyetech EVIC v.1 with subtank nano (18650) mod, Vamo V5 with mini Nautilus (18650).

Holy crap! The device on the end is monstrous!! argh, the more I read and discover, the more complicated vaping seems to get... I don't know what to do...

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[gyrex]

I think you would highly benefit from keeping your ego batteries you have and buying a tank like an aspire ets or a kanger mini protank 3. both look great on an ego battery and only add a little to the size compared to the ego t tank you have. Oh, they also work great.

This makes sense... Maybe I should keep on the path I'm on then look at different options in the future - baby steps?

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[coilburner]

OK... just made it in time.

This is a picture for you to consider.

Left to right.

e-liquid (10ml), 18650 Battery, real tobacco cigarette, plastic cig-a-like e-cigarette, iTaste VV v.3 (no tank), iStick 30w with subtank mini, Joyetech EVIC v.1 with subtank nano (18650) mod, Vamo V5 with mini Nautilus (18650).

keeping in mind that the itaste is a square, the istick 30w is about twice as wide as the front your seeing and the other two are circular.

 

[gyrex]

OK... just made it in time.

This is a picture for you to consider.

Left to right.

e-liquid (10ml), 18650 Battery, real tobacco cigarette, plastic cig-a-like e-cigarette, iTaste VV v.3 (no tank), iStick 30w with subtank mini, Joyetech EVIC v.1 with subtank nano (18650) mod, Vamo V5 with mini Nautilus (18650).

Ok, out of those, what is a "mod" and a mechanical mod and regulated apv (per Susan's post)?

Is there some guide with photos which maybe covers all these questions?

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[coilburner]

Ok, out of those, what is a "mod" and a mechanical mod and regulated apv (per Susan's post)?

Is there some guide with photos which maybe covers all these questions?

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The 4 on the right are all mods. I don't believe any of them are mechanical. The one second from the right might be mechanical but the other 3 are definitely regulated. Regulated mods will have a screen and mechanical mods wont because theres no electronics. Regulated mods allow you to adjust power in both volts and watts where mechanical mods are just a battery holder that when you press a button makes the connection from the battery to the part where you screw your atomizer on. I left little bits out in that description but basically that's how it works.

 

[gyrex]

The 4 on the right are all mods. I don't believe any of them are mechanical. The one second from the right might be mechanical but the other 3 are definitely regulated. Regulated mods will have a screen and mechanical mods wont because theres no electronics. Regulated mods allow you to adjust power in both volts and watts where mechanical mods are just a battery holder that when you press a button makes the connection from the battery to the part where you screw your atomizer on. I left little bits out in that description but basically that's how it works.

OK, so the ego-t is a mechanical apv and the provape is a regulated apv?

 

[djsvapour]

The 4 on the right are all mods. I don't believe any of them are mechanical.

Spot on. There are no mechanical mods in that photo.

Those 4 batteries (mods) are all variable volt/watt devices.

The Vamo is indeed a large e-cig.. LOL

The most powerful is the blue iStick 30w. To give you and idea of the width... here's a picture with a side view. Both of these are the 20w version, for those with a keen eye.