New vapers, go rebuildable...

[Firestorm]

I started with pre-filled cartomizers and slowly worked my way up to rebuildables. It took a lot of reading, experimenting, and watching videos to amass the knowledge that I now possess. I think that if people are inclined, they will similarly gradually progress to rebuildables at their own pace, but I know plenty of vapers who are content to use egos and clearomizers and although they are technically minded, they have no interest in rebuilding. Whether they don't have the motivation or interest to tinker and learn to be self-sufficient, I don't know, but I don't think that rebuildables are for everyone. The amount of information needed to be successful can be daunting and I think that for someone brand new to vaping keeping it simple is probably a good approach.

I love the idea of DIY juice and I've tried to do it myself on a few occasions. I understand that I could save a bunch of money doing so, but there are a handful or vendor-made eliquid that I just love that I truly doubt that I could replicate. I'm prepared to DIY if legislation comes down and it becomes impossible to purchase pre-made juice, but until that time I'll continue to buy vendor-made eliquid.

How can a vet like me who only gives away advice for free make a buck or two off new vapers? I could use the extra cash, LOL.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

This forum has a heavy dose of hobbyists that rebuild and DIY. As Vapero said, many just want the simple and are not interested in anything else.

I hope people are just not smoking. I try not to push anything else.

 

[tj99959]

Need to remember that some people have never learned Ohms Law, or have any idea about types of batteries. So be patient & let them learn at their own pace.

Most (like the OP) have no idea WHY rebuildables even exist, all they see are the bigger cloud.

A few years ago, the FDA was involved in a lawsuit, and customs was seizing shipments. So it became prudent to learn how to build our own mods & atomizers ... just in case. Much of what we see on the market today is the result.

Things haven't changed much, and the end of vaping is still looming over our heads. So it's still prudent to learn how to become "self relient". Just understand that not everyone is capable of doing that the day they walk in the door.

Oh-and, this is why we don't suggest some of this stuff to noobs. (in this mornings news)
http://abc7.com/news/e-cigarette-lodges-into-ceiling-after-exploding-in-oc-mans-hands/551894/

 

[Firestorm]

A few years ago, the FDA was involved in a lawsuit, and customs was seizing shipments. So it became prudent to learn how to build our own mods & atomizers ... just in case. Much of what we see on the market today is the result.

^^^ That's the main reason why I first bought a mechanical mod and rebuildable atomizers. I was also looking for a better tasting vape and to save money by not buying disposables.

 

[poland626]

Very true. I was the same way when I first started vaping but over time, I have seen that rebuildable is the way to go.

 

[Thrasher]

Go to fasttech first 20 pages under atomizers are drippers, the people Pushing cloud chasing as a hobby are the ones making bank.

Hurry change the logo on that rda using the same ol deck design and suckering people with overpriced rewrapped " competition" batteries Is the norm. Used to be they actually designed things for maximum flavor and nic drlivery, now they just change airhole patterns

the current state of rebuilding is the true cash grab, micro coils eating twice as much wire, and disposable cotton wick lasting 2 days and all I think is how did everyone get suckered into this.

lol my old school wicking lasts into the month+ range, my batteries are 6 bucks, im still working on a sq of mesh, roll of wick and spool of wire I bought 18 months ago.

People forgot, if you wanted better then a carto or ce4 clearo you HAD to become s rebuilder. Whats happening today is far removed fron vaping to quit smoking

Im pretty sure 5 new "competition" drippers have been released in the time it took to write this...... those are your enemies dude not us.

Not trying to sound harsh, everyone is free to do as they please, but vaping is about quitting cigarettes first. If people dont want to rebuild they shouldnt be made to feel obligated to it by others that dont share their views and thats the point I was making.

 

[vapero]

Go to fasttech first 20 pages under atomizers are drippers, the people Pushing cloud chasing as a hobby are the ones making bank.

Hurry change the logo on that rda using the same ol deck design and suckering people with overpriced rewrapped " competition" batteries Is the norm. Used to be they actually designed things for maximum flavor and nic drlivery, now they just change airhole patterns

the current state of rebuilding is the true cash grab, micro coils eating twice as much wire, and disposable cotton wick lasting 2 days and all I think is how did everyone get suckered into this.

lol my old school wicking lasts into the month+ range, my batteries are 6 bucks, im still working on a sq of mesh, roll of wick and spool of wire I bought 18 months ago.

People forgot, if you wanted better then a carto or ce4 clearo you HAD to become s rebuilder. Whats happening today is far removed fron vaping to quit smoking

Im pretty sure 5 new "competition" drippers have been released in the time it took to write this...... those are your enemies dude not us.

that apeals to the hobby part and there is nothing wrong with it. I do tend to buy a few things every now and then but I could well stop buying altogether and have enough rayon ($15) wire ($30) and diy juice to last me for a couple of years.

I change my rayon once a week and have enough for a lifetime

 

[wesson]

In the forty plus years that I smoked, I burned up somewhere between $50-$60K, while risking my health. The cost to purchase pre-made coils pales by comparison

 

[2legsshrt]

You know it amazes me that a person who is just getting into vaping would suggest that you start off making your own coils and your own juice. I started vaping in 2008 at that time there was not VV products on the market or micro coils. You just got an atomizer and a tip. I didn't know anything about ohms law. Burned up a lot of atomizers burned holes in my pockets. Start out slowly, sure its ok to get something that you can learn to rebuild on and practice but know what your battery is capable of know what the resistance of your coil is, start out with coils that are above 1ohm and get a regulated device that gives you some protection against mistakes you may make. Have some premade heads on hand so you can vape when you burn up your cotton or God forbid blow up your battery because of inexperience. Practice on your one RBA but have a premade on hand so when you screw up you can go to it and not grab a cigarette. I don't tell new people to get an MVP2 complete kit because I make money on it it is because it is a great starting point. It has the safety features comes with an acceptable tank and will work with an RBA when you want it too. Get a Kayfun Lite+ clone to start on and practice. Make a coil say 28awg Kanthal 6 wraps 2.5mm inside diameter heat up your coil on your MVP to get the coil tight should come out about 1.5ohms learn how to wick it properly so you don't have too much or too little. Use the wick of your choice Organic Cotton Balls work but after you get used to it you may want to try KGD or Rayon but have your other device handy so when you don't get it right you can still vape. You have all these things available to you to protect yourself, I didn't have that. Vaping was really in it younger stages then and people would try anything to get a better vape now you have all these products that are safer to use take advantage of them. All I had was mechanicals and I still don't care for them but they are for experienced vapers there are so many things that can go wrong because they give you no protection just straight battery power right on to what ever you have attached. If you have a .5ohm device attached you are pushing that device to 35w and 8.5amps. Thats a lot if you are using some off brand battery you are exposed to burning up your battery and very probably burning up your build if not done perfectly. Take a little time and learn about all the things that are involved before you jump right into subohming on a mech with no experience. Please. You want to quit smoking not do more harm to yourself.

 

[2legsshrt]

Rant #2
DIY. Ok DIY is great but you have to have some idea of what you are doing. And don't think that your juice is going to come out like some of the really good store bought juices that are available. These juices are developed by chemists and are done in laboratory environment. All I do now is DIY for 2 main reasons, I have lung problems and vape 2mg stength from 45 years of smoking and money, I'm retired and on a fixed income and I spend a lot of money on vape gear. I don't have as much as some and not to brag but I have 5 Provaris, 1 rDNA40, 1 SXmini, Sigelei DNA20 clone, MVP2, Vamo, 3 authentic Kayfun Lite Plus, 1 authentic Kayfun V4, the Provaris are 1 V1, 3 V2.5,1 P3, 5 Kanger Sub Ohm all minis except one 25mm, 4 Nautilus's,1 Nautilus mini, and 1 KF clone. I just put those things in so you knew I wasn't talking out my A## when I tell you things. I really want to try some of these really good juices and I may when my Tugboat gets here. Making your own is something you have to do carefully. Use ejuicemeup calculator. You need several different size syringes, VG, PG, Nic and flavors. It's hard to find the ones you like there are tons of flavors out there RTS vapes has several choices. You can get nicotine as high as 100mg even higher if you look around. I only vape at 2mg so when I make 100ml it only takes 2ml of nic, I use the 100mg. You have to be careful and remember it is not going to taste like some of the high end stuff that is available. You have to get small quantities of flavors to try. Some offer samplers. Wizard Labs sell small quantities of TFA to try. I make some that I like really well but still would like to try some of the really good ones out there. Again this is something you have to be careful with and if you have small children or pets especially careful. If you spill 100mg nic on your self you can get sick. You have to learn about storing also.

 

[Zealous]

I'm really not a fan of this OP. I don't think buying premade coils should be labeled as "lazy" vaping. It's convenient. I personally use an RDA most of the time. But I still do use a device with a premade coil for out & about simply because it's easy to throw it in my purse and carry a couple heads with me in case I need a new one. And I'm super happy that companies are making such great advancements in the performance of premade coils. They used to suck horribly and that's precisely the reason I started using rebuildables.

I am really happy there are products that I CAN suggest to new vapers that I know will be easy for them to work with and give them good performance. I will gladly point them toward resources where they can learn how to be more self sufficient in vaping if that's what they want to do. But when a vaper is just starting out, what they really NEED is a good convenient product that performs well. Smoking's hard enough to beat without having to fight with your equipment. The people I have introduced to vaping would not be good candidates for rebuildables simply because of eyesight & disinterest. If that was all that was available for them then they would not be vapers so I'm very happy for premade coils & simple vaping equipment.

As to eliquid, I NEVER want to DIY my own. I might be in the minority on this but that's just who I am. I bought some flavorings & a small bottle of base to try it out & I've decided I hate the idea of DIY as much as I hate touching raw chicken (and that's pretty high on my hate scale). I don't love cooking (i do it out of necessity and not because of my love for it) & I don't love DIY. But I DO love all the companies that make fantastic eliquids and I'm happy to pay them what they deserve for providing me a good product.

 

[2legsshrt]

OH also if I was going to recommend a clone I would recommend the Kayfun Lite + V2 Clone Kit from eciggity.com. It has a larger air hole and the kit has quite a few extras. It's not the cheapest clone around but you get what you pay for in many instances. Just thought I would put that in. They are the only one that has the larger air hole and it can make a big difference. And a great one for premade is the Nautilus full size. They work great. The Kanger Sub mini is also a good one. IMO I don't care for the .5 head but the 1.2 is OK. Plus it comes with an RBA deck that is pretty easy. The heads are not as easy to rebuild as the person said. It took me and another guy 2 days to perfect it so that you don't get dry hits and you can build it to what you like myself I like it rebuilt to 1.3. If you want to know the method PM me. Rips method and some of the others work for a short time but not in the long run. There is a better way.

 

[Ycore]

True everyone is different. A lot of times people want the luxury of not having to do much to make it work. For me, I was always a tinkerer. So I started building fairly soon after I started vaping. But some people don't like to tinker. That's why choices are so great! I personally choose building, I love it! But for those who don't love it, they have the choice not to have to do it. I think we are all so lucky as people who vape to have so many great choices! One size does not fit all. What's right for me, may not be right for you. That's why choices are wonderful! I am pretty sure with all these great choices we have that there is something out their that will fit different people's style. What a awful boring world it would be without choices! Don't look down on someone because their choice isn't yours. It's what's right for them. So as people who vape we should celebrate that we are fortunate enough to have this many choices in vaping. It' all really boils down to for each his own. Whatever works for that person is great! Why try to change them? People like what they like and if it's working for them then it's a success! Sometimes along people's vaping journey their choices change. That's ok too. that's why it's so wonderful to have so many options! We should try not to make the mistake of thinking "our way" is the "best" way. Because what is best is whatever a person's comfortable with. And most importantly, what's working for them at the time.

Agreed. And on that note.....I started off with the simple eGo and iClear 16 tank......Through the knowledge of others around me and local vape stores back home, I learned the ins and outs of rebuilding and have now turned it into a much enjoyable hobby. I still keep some prebuilt cartomizers on hand for the times that I just don't feel like rebuilding an RDA and want a quick something to take with me on a short road trip. Everyone have something different that works for them and if it's a healthier alternative then give them support and tell them about the other options available.....let them decide for themselves.

 

[2legsshrt]

I'm really not a fan of this OP. I don't think buying premade coils should be labeled as "lazy" vaping. It's convenient. I personally use an RDA most of the time. But I still do use a device with a premade coil for out & about simply because it's easy to throw it in my purse and carry a couple heads with me in case I need a new one. And I'm super happy that companies are making such great advancements in the performance of premade coils. They used to suck horribly and that's precisely the reason I started using rebuildables.

I am really happy there are products that I CAN suggest to new vapers that I know will be easy for them to work with and give them good performance. I will gladly point them toward resources where they can learn how to be more self sufficient in vaping if that's what they want to do. But when a vaper is just starting out, what they really NEED is a good convenient product that performs well. Smoking's hard enough to beat without having to fight with your equipment. The people I have introduced to vaping would not be good candidates for rebuildables simply because of eyesight & disinterest. If that was all that was available for them then they would not be vapers so I'm very happy for premade coils & simple vaping equipment.

As to eliquid, I NEVER want to DIY my own. I might be in the minority on this but that's just who I am. I bought some flavorings & a small bottle of base to try it out & I've decided I hate the idea of DIY as much as I hate touching raw chicken (and that's pretty high on my hate scale). I don't love cooking (i do it out of necessity and not because of my love for it) & I don't love DIY. But I DO love all the companies that make fantastic eliquids and I'm happy to pay them what they deserve for providing me a good product.

I agree completely with everything you said.

 

[Oberon75]

I actually agree with the OP about rebuildables. People act like it's some complicated thing to build a coil but in reality, even a 10 year old could do it. I mean let's be honest here. How hard is it to wrap some wire around a drill bit and then attach it to an atty with a screwdriver?

To me, tanks are what is complicated. Always washing and soaking them to get the old flavor out. Constantly needing new coils if you want to switch flavors. Easy to burn up if you didn't prime first or brought your watts to high for the coil. Or you cracked it because you used the wrong juice.

With an RDA, all you do is drip. If you're bored of your flavor, you drip a different one. Coil gunked? Slide in a new piece of cotton.

It took me a long time to try rebuildables because opinions like the ones in this thread always discouraged me. Then when I bought my first rebuildable, I made a decent enough build on my very first attempt. Vaping was also much more simple. It kinda ticked me off that I listened to popular opinion from people who have never used them and didn't go this route from the very beginning. For it cost me lots of money, lots of time and lots of headache.

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[retired1]

People act like it's some complicated thing to build a coil but in reality, even a 10 year old could do it. I mean let's be honest here. How hard is it to wrap some wire around a drill bit and then attach it to an atty with a screwdriver?

For some of our members, very hard.

Bear in mind, we do not cater just to young, wet behind the ears individuals. We have a very wide age range on ECF from folks in their late teens to those in their 70s. There are some who find it physically difficult to wrap anything, let alone a coil.

When I first started, I refused to go the rebuildable route. Didn't want to hear it, didn't want to do it. Period. End of discussion. I knew my limitations at the time, and knew what I wanted to start off with. Even now, I find the clearo/pre-built head route is far easier and convenient. My time is limited and tinkering around with RBAs is often not going to be on the day's agenda.

 

[NancyR]

Most people will recommend easy stuff to new vapers.

Unfortunately. easy or lazy vaping costs a ton of money. Disposable coil attys are a good easy way to start vaping. Nautilus mini with the new 2015 cotton big juice holes on the coil are amazing. But please transition to sustainable vaping asap. Sustainable vaping means utilizing a rebuildable atty versus a disposable atty coil. Also learn to brew your own e-juice. A gallon of flavored juice can be made for 30 bucks or less.

Easy or lazy vaping? Just because you may not like pre made or disposables does not mean it is either easy or lazy. Nor does sustainable vaping mean rebuildables. I happen to use "disposable" atties such as the 901's the 510's and the 306's, with proper care a single atty can last months, so tell me how a $8 atty lasting at least 2 months is costing a "ton of money"?

A friend of mine goes out every 2 years and buys $100 worth of attys, this year he will buy more tho he still has over half of the last batch he bought. How much have you already spend on wick and wire?

Most new vapers do not have the knowledge needed to safely rebuild. Nor should anyone start rebuilding til they understand things like ohm's law, battery safety and maintenance. They also then need time to learn to properly wrap a coil so they get a vape they enjoy while being SAFE.

For the record, I do own rebuildables. I have had several iHybrid's as well as dripping attys, and while I still enjoy a good genny build it can not compare for me the vape I get from a proper "disposable" atty.

As to the DIY, yes making your own juice is cheaper once you figure out some recipes you enjoy, but most new DIY'ers dump way more than they actually vape. While I do think everyone who can DIY should learn at least the basics you really need to have 1 or 2 reasonably priced vendors you enjoy their juice from to get you through til you are happy with your own juices.

I got into DIY'ing my juice more because back when I started you didn't have many option for 80 to 90% vg juice, and I am pg sensitive.

Meh, yall vets just want to make a buck or two off of new vapers.

I AM GLAD i SAW THROUGH THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

How is anyone offering advice in the new members area making money off people here? Vendors are not allowed to post in this forum for any reason.


If someone wants to get into rebuilding and DIY great, but it is not for everyone, nor is anyone's vape better or worse than someone elses so long as they are safe in what they do.

 

[rhean]

I actually agree with the OP about rebuildables. People act like it's some complicated thing to build a coil but in reality, even a 10 year old could do it. I mean let's be honest here. How hard is it to wrap some wire around a drill bit and then attach it to an atty with a screwdriver?

To me, tanks are what is complicated. Always washing and soaking them to get the old flavor out. Constantly needing new coils if you want to switch flavors. Easy to burn up if you didn't prime first or brought your watts to high for the coil. Or you cracked it because you used the wrong juice.

With an RDA, all you do is drip. If you're bored of your flavor, you drip a different one. Coil gunked? Slide in a new piece of cotton.

It took me a long time to try rebuildables because opinions like the ones in this thread always discouraged me. Then when I bought my first rebuildable, I made a decent enough build on my very first attempt. It kinda ticked me off that I didn't go this route from the very beginning.

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I started off with evods and protanks, and moved into rebuildables. I wouldn't go back, as I agree, rebuildables are way easier than anything else. The sad fact, though, is that when I was just thinking of making the switch from analogs to vaping, having to "rebuild" would have been a turn off. Yes, it's easy to do, but it sounds harder for people who have never held a vaping device of any sort. Suddenly you need the right dripper (there are hundreds). You need to understand what "resistance" is. You need the right wire, an ohm meter, and what are "ohms," anyway??? It's weird to believe that something so easy sounded so complicated to me, but it did. I stopped analogs July 2013 with the evods, and switched to rebuildables December 2013, so it took me a few months to get it.

 

[NancyR]

I actually agree with the OP about rebuildables. People act like it's some complicated thing to build a coil but in reality, even a 10 year old could do it. I mean let's be honest here. How hard is it to wrap some wire around a drill bit and then attach it to an atty with a screwdriver?

To me, tanks are what is complicated. Always washing and soaking them to get the old flavor out. Constantly needing new coils if you want to switch flavors. Easy to burn up if you didn't prime first or brought your watts to high for the coil. Or you cracked it because you used the wrong juice.

With an RDA, all you do is drip. If you're bored of your flavor, you drip a different one. Coil gunked? Slide in a new piece of cotton.

It took me a long time to try rebuildables because opinions like the ones in this thread always discouraged me. Then when I bought my first rebuildable, I made a decent enough build on my very first attempt. Vaping was also much more simple. It kinda ticked me off that I listened to popular opinion from people who have never used them and didn't go this route from the very beginning. For it cost me lots of money, lots of time and lots of headache.

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It isn't about rather it is complicated, it is about rather it is SAFE, and FYI some of us do own and use way more rebuildables than you may think. Because of this we know the ins and outs of both, and when using a "disposable" atty you don't to replace anything when you change flavors.

 

[tj99959]

Originally Posted by Oberon75 View Post
People act like it's some complicated thing to build a coil but in reality, even a 10 year old could do it. I mean let's be honest here. How hard is it to wrap some wire around a drill bit and then attach it to an atty with a screwdriver?

You forget that people come from a lot of different backgrounds, and some seem to have no problem breaking an anvil.