New vapers, go rebuildable...

[Goyo]

Most people will recommend easy stuff to new vapers.

Unfortunately. easy or lazy vaping costs a ton of money. Disposable coil attys are a good easy way to start vaping. Nautilus mini with the new 2015 cotton big juice holes on the coil are amazing. But please transition to sustainable vaping asap. Sustainable vaping means utilizing a rebuildable atty versus a disposable atty coil. Also learn to brew your own e-juice. A gallon of flavored juice can be made for 30 bucks or less.

 

[abn75]

But not everyone wants to diy or rebuild. Some of us prefer to just buy a coil and juice.

 

[raitizz]

Most people will recommend easy stuff to new vapers.

Unfortunately. easy or lazy vaping costs a ton of money. Disposable coil attys are a good easy way to start vaping. Nautilus mini with the new 2015 cotton big juice holes on the coil are amazing. But please transition to sustainable vaping asap. Sustainable vaping means utilizing a rebuildable atty versus a disposable atty coil. Also learn to brew your own e-juice. A gallon of flavored juice can be made for 30 bucks or less.

New vapers....often are clueless. Better stick to the basics at the beginning and work up.

R

 

[ckquatt]

New vapers....often are clueless. Better stick to the basics at the beginning and work up.

R

This!! Gotta learn to crawl before you walk!

 

[SamH94]

At any rate, it is still a tonne cheaper than smoking (where I am from), to buy and replace all parts. It only becomes a problem when you advance much further from the 'new' stage and start chain vaping .6% nic or below, and wanting big clouds. I think part of the pleasure of vaping is the initial ease. If DIY juice and coils were all that was available, I would probably still be a smoker. Yet today will be my first day rebuilding coils, and I plan on DIY juicing asap- DIY only appeals to me when it's a hobby and not a necessity!

 

[Goyo]

Meh, yall vets just want to make a buck or two off of new vapers.

I AM GLAD i SAW THROUGH THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

 

[SamH94]

I am really just jealous that I am spending a fortune, and feel others must as well.

 

[ckquatt]

Meh, yall vets just want to make a buck or two off of new vapers.

I AM GLAD i SAW THROUGH THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

Please explain how we are making money off of new vapers! I would like to hear this... I for one don't sell vape gear. I'm just a vet who learned to crawl before I walked.

 

[Fattlestar]

Most people will recommend easy stuff to new vapers.

Unfortunately. easy or lazy vaping costs a ton of money. Disposable coil attys are a good easy way to start vaping. Nautilus mini with the new 2015 cotton big juice holes on the coil are amazing. But please transition to sustainable vaping asap. Sustainable vaping means utilizing a rebuildable atty versus a disposable atty coil. Also learn to brew your own e-juice. A gallon of flavored juice can be made for 30 bucks or less.

I can't disagree with this more.

A new vaper doesn't have the knowledge necessary to make proper use of rebuildables, DIY, or battery safety. Those who are willing to invest the time to learn properly can certainly make that leap, but so many just want something as easy as buying a pack of cigarettes and a lighter, which the things you mentioned are just NOT.

I'm not saying it is difficult. I am simply saying that it is more difficult than.

For many, the additional costs involved in "easy" vaping are worth it. One does need to make the decision and weigh the benefits and time required for the other options.

Goyo, what works for you is excellent, and I'm glad you're into rebuilding and DIY. That doesn't mean it is right for everyone.

 

[realsis]

True everyone is different. A lot of times people want the luxury of not having to do much to make it work. For me, I was always a tinkerer. So I started building fairly soon after I started vaping. But some people don't like to tinker. That's why choices are so great! I personally choose building, I love it! But for those who don't love it, they have the choice not to have to do it. I think we are all so lucky as people who vape to have so many great choices! One size does not fit all. What's right for me, may not be right for you. That's why choices are wonderful! I am pretty sure with all these great choices we have that there is something out their that will fit different people's style. What a awful boring world it would be without choices! Don't look down on someone because their choice isn't yours. It's what's right for them. So as people who vape we should celebrate that we are fortunate enough to have this many choices in vaping. It' all really boils down to for each his own. Whatever works for that person is great! Why try to change them? People like what they like and if it's working for them then it's a success! Sometimes along people's vaping journey their choices change. That's ok too. that's why it's so wonderful to have so many options! We should try not to make the mistake of thinking "our way" is the "best" way. Because what is best is whatever a person's comfortable with. And most importantly, what's working for them at the time.

 

[edyle]

Most people will recommend easy stuff to new vapers.

Unfortunately. easy or lazy vaping costs a ton of money. Disposable coil attys are a good easy way to start vaping. Nautilus mini with the new 2015 cotton big juice holes on the coil are amazing. But please transition to sustainable vaping asap. Sustainable vaping means utilizing a rebuildable atty versus a disposable atty coil. Also learn to brew your own e-juice. A gallon of flavored juice can be made for 30 bucks or less.

Fortunately, there is the kanger subtank, and a few others where a new vaper could start out right away with a replaceable coil clearo with the option included for rebuildable coil heads.

 

[MrVibes]

Thanks, I'm new and this is the path I'm following....Hope I can start making my own juice soon.

 

[dhood]

When I first started, I only wanted to be able to break the habit with simple gear. I then started exploring newer technologies and got bigger and more batteries, then bigger and better tanks. Now I am up to 7 batteries and I must have 20 different tanks here. I've finally graduated all my tanks to rebuildables and have 6 different flavors in Kayfuns and a Subtank - I swap out flavors about 4 times a day. I definitely learned to walk first. Now I'm running. It took me a bit of cash to get here, but I'm pretty stable now and don't have any vapemail on the way for the first time in about 6 months.

 

[shuggibear]

Some people would pick up diy faster than others, but the most I would ever recommend to someone just thinking about vaping would probably be an old VV device with safety features.... and that's only if they want to save money by using rebuildables. Don't think we need any more media attention from someone being pushed into a device that blew up in their face because they didn't understand how to use it safely.

 

[mcclintock]

My first builds were horrible, and my results with rebuildables still are hit and miss, so for a beginner without a reference of good or bad, no way. And I'm an engineer! Plus I don't think a still-smoker can handle the big stuff.

As to "sustainable", using prebuilt coil units are a little more wasteful, but mostly more expensive. I can at least extend the cheap old Kangers but wasn't impressed by the Aspire "replacement" BVC or EVOD2 so am hesitant to go any further into the more expensive, harder to rebuild coil'd devices. I think it makes a certain sense that making small amounts of quality vapor is best with factory-built stuff, vs. more vapor and power requires and allows something more "human-sized".

 

[WattWick]

Nothing wrong with starting out on rebuildables. However, take into consideration that a lot of new vapers are trying to get off the cigs. Having to tinker with gear is perhaps the one most challenging aspects of transitioning to a vaper.

That being said, I personally switched to rebuildables partially to avoid having to tinker with gear. Time invested in learning to do it myself has saved me a lot of tinkering. I have been told starter setups these days are much better. Which I sincerely hope is true.

For most new vapers, I assume it is essential to have a working setup before going down the (potentially frustrating) road of rebuilding. Pick apart ones only setup and have problems getting it back to proper working order --> cigarette!

 

[abudanish]

Hi guys interested to know more about rebuildables. Already ordered in 20m kanthal 30G wire. Is this the right size for newbies? Still thinking of which RBA or RDA to get. Any tips?

 

[edyle]

My first builds were horrible, and my results with rebuildables still are hit and miss, so for a beginner without a reference of good or bad, no way. And I'm an engineer! Plus I don't think a still-smoker can handle the big stuff.

As to "sustainable", using prebuilt coil units are a little more wasteful, but mostly more expensive. I can at least extend the cheap old Kangers but wasn't impressed by the Aspire "replacement" BVC or EVOD2 so am hesitant to go any further into the more expensive, harder to rebuild coil'd devices. I think it makes a certain sense that making small amounts of quality vapor is best with factory-built stuff, vs. more vapor and power requires and allows something more "human-sized".

1: No need for hit and miss: use the coil calculator for reference
Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

2: Kanger finally designed a tank with a replaceable head that is designed for rebuilding.
Unfortunately they named it "Subtank" and people don't recognise it for what it is.
The whole point is a tank that comes with a head that's even easier to rebuild than the old kangers.

As far as the way for new vapers to start off, for people who can afford it, I say try cigalikes;
for people on a shoestring budget, go straight to rda's; no need for low ohms or thick gauge, just use the rda.

 

[edyle]

Hi guys interested to know more about rebuildables. Already ordered in 20m kanthal 30G wire. Is this the right size for newbies? Still thinking of which RBA or RDA to get. Any tips?

magma is very easy to coil.

yes 30 gauge is a good all round size.

 

[vapero]

the way I see it
vaping with repleacable heads is like smoking a pack of cigarettes, they do cost more but offer the convenience of not having to mess (too much) with your stuff

using rdas or rbas is like rolling your cigarettes, it is cheaper than buying the premade cigs but you need to mess a little more

making your own juice is where the savings really shine and it is easier than growing your tobacco!

how many of us used to buy our cigarettes and never considered starting to roll our own in order to save money]???
I'm not talking about the better performance of vape quality here just the money and fiddle aspect.

I have friends that have been using prefilled cigalikes for 4 years and are not interested in anything else