New York Magazine Has it's Say...

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Vocalek

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He's not wrong. Zero nicotine is probably better for you than nicotine. But for me and the people on this forum that I know, those aren't the options we are choosing between. My options are nicotine in a cigarette loaded with carcinogens vs. an electronic cigarette.

Abstaining from nicotine is better for me, provided I don't mind losing fifty IQ points and feeling suicidal.

Abstaining from smoking already improves my lung and cardiovascular health, and reduces my (smoking-related) cancer risks.

So what super additional health benefit is this nicotine abstinence supposed to provide that would make it worth while for me to endure not being able to concentrate, pay attention, remember, or experience happiness?
 

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Abstaining from nicotine is better for me, provided I don't mind losing fifty IQ points and feeling suicidal.

Abstaining from smoking already improves my lung and cardiovascular health, and reduces my (smoking-related) cancer risks.

So what super additional health benefit is this nicotine abstinence supposed to provide that would make it worth while for me to endure not being able to concentrate, pay attention, remember, or experience happiness?

I'm on your side. His point is that nicotine has some health risks too. True and I'm happy for those people who can go through life nicotine-free. But I'm not one of them. So, for me, it's a question of controlling the amount of nicotine I get and picking the safest delivery system possible.

Next up, breathing the air in most cities has health risks. Reducing pollution is not the answer because you will still be inhaling pollutants. So electricman and I will be advocating people avoid them entirely by abstaining from breathing. (All it takes is a little willpower.)
 

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I'm on your side. His point is that nicotine has some health risks too. True and I'm happy for those people who can go through life nicotine-free. But I'm not one of them. So, for me, it's a question of controlling the amount of nicotine I get and picking the safest delivery system possible.

Next up, breathing the air in most cities has health risks. Reducing pollution is not the answer because you will still be inhaling pollutants. So electricman and I will be advocating people avoid them entirely by abstaining from breathing. (All it takes is a little willpower.)

LOL. Are you sure you aren't the real Dr. House?

Remember the episode where he wrote a prescription for a pack of cigarettes for a guy that had ulcerative colitis?
 

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LOL. Are you sure you aren't the real Dr. House?

Remember the episode where he wrote a prescription for a pack of cigarettes for a guy that had ulcerative colitis?

Santa Claus! (episode: Damned If You Do in the first season.)


ETA: And, back on topic, if anyone gives me a time machine, one of my first stops will be to stop my 16-year-old self from having that first cigarette. Until then, pass me the battery charger.
 
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Actually, Roly, your whisper was in the ear of Mr. deKoff's fact checker. When she contacted me to verify the number of posts on ECF currently, and in years past, I decided to sic her onto the guy who would know much better than I. That would be you.

Thanks Vocalek and Roly!
 

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OK :)

It's good to see that there has been a fundamental change in the tone of reporting, at least in the major titles. Six months or so back, they were generally dismissive or even critical. Now, they are neutral (at last), or supportive. Nice to finally see that.

Of course, the small local rags still churn out the same old tosh they always did, as they don't have journalists, they have propaganda reprinters.
 

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Our media image has changed recently as we always hoped it would, due to two things happening: the media gradually working out that this is a good thing despite the FDA's pharma-funded propaganda; and more importantly, as celebs and journos get with the program.

There is nothing the media love more than celebs, and if they puff in public, well, it must be OK then. Plus the fact that a lot of journos smoke, and many of them were bound to switch so they can get back to 'smoking' in the office, something they always did, and have sorely missed.

Once you get Leonardo di Caprio [thank you Poeia], Katherine Heigl and Carrie Fisher puffing on camera, and leader writers puffing in the newspaper office, then it's job done.

Big tobacco have all but shut up now, as they are not stupid - apart from Imperial Tobacco - since as cigarette sales shrink, they need a new market. Snus and e-cigs are tailor-made for the job. Expect a Marlboro E-cig before long. It looks as if the only one of the giant tobacco corporates without any forward planning is Imperial.

Big pharma are determined to shut e-cigs down one way or another, and they certainly won't stop just because e-cigs are now legally classed as a tobacco product. It just means they will change tack. Remember that quit-smoking drugs are a billion-dollar a year business, and chemotherapy drugs and so on for treating sick smokers are another billion-dollar business. Pharma stands to lose incalculable sums of money if smokers don't buy quit-smoking drugs and don't get sick and need treatment drugs.

They own the FDA and will figure out ways to get regulations brought in that gradually reduce either the attractiveness of e-cigs to buyers or the ease of purchase / sale / shipping. In addition they will influence city authorities to restrict the use of e-cigs.

So in essence e-cigs are safe for the time being - but expect to see a continuing series of legal battles as the corrupted attempt to restrict or stop sales.
 
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Big pharma are determined to shut e-cigs down one way or another, and they certainly won't stop just because e-cigs are now legally classed as a tobacco product. It just means they will change tack.
If they were smart, they'd get in on the action. If anyone has access to pharmaceutical-grade nicotine, they do. Sell it pre-mixed to various strengths with your choice of PG/VG ratio. If the DIYers could just pop into a local drugstore and buy everything but the flavor all ready for them, it would be a gold mine.

And, as far of celebrities go, it was a picture of Leonardo DiCaprio with his e-cig that made me aware of them. About a month later, I was an ex-smoker. :D
 

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Oh, sorry Poeia, I forgot him. Well I would, wouldn't I, he's not as pretty as the two I mentioned. I'll edit my post to ensure your concerns are met :)

I guess you'll be working on Hugh L now?
Ha. Not a Leonardo fan. Or Johnny Depp (who has used a PV in a movie and explained it.) Both good actors, but the reason I found the picture of Leonardo was that I was chasing down something Hugh Laurie on the web. I prefer to keep being a fan, in the original sense of the word -- fanatic -- to one person at a time. For the last 7 or so years it's been James Hugh Calum Laurie.
 
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