Newbie looking for guidance (and answers)

[asitoro]

I've been looking at e-Cig for a while and even though i'm a little bit skeptical about them being able to get me off cigarette, i decided to give it a try. I'm 23 and i started smoking when i was 11 but only became and actual smoker (addicted) at 15 and been a 1+ pack a day since then (Im 23). I recently decided to try to change my life around, like doing things that i enjoy regardless of whether people think it's cool or not (i was very easily influenced and would always try to "fit in" but i dont care anymore) and try to be healthy, but quitting cigarette has been a huge brick wall in my process, so i'm really hoping someone can help me here and getting onto the vaping bandwagon (not actually trying to "fit in" here lol). Im having a salary augmentation in 2 weeks and would really like to get another one by not having to spend 80-90$ in cigarettes every weeks. But i have a few questions...

Health wise, what is the difference between e-cigs and analogues? Has anyone saw in increase in their cardio after changing to e-cigs? Sore throat, coughing and all that (im guessing you've all been there). Im not thinking e-cigs will cure cancer but im hoping they're a big step up from analogues in the health department.

Im pretty sure e-cigs dont give yellow fingers since there's no smoke but do they still gives yellow teeth? And to they damage the teeth's gum? (or whatever the pink part where you're teeth are holding out from is called). Also wals and furniture to know if i should vape outside, though i think not as if i read right, all nicotine in the vape is supposed to stay in the system.

That's pretty much all i can think of right now, i haven't made all that much search so far as my jobs keeps me pretty tired all the time. My budget can be stretched a bit but i'd like to keep the cost down while getting a decent e-cig so that it can successfully kick the analogues through the window (and maybe even convince my mom to do the same) so i'd say around 60$. I'd like something subtle if possible and not something that looks like a nuclear powered pen but doesn't necessarily has to look like a real cigarette either. A case would be nice since where i work there's a lot of dust and it would probably break in my pockets, so i could just leave the case on a work table.

I really appreciate any help you guys can give me.

 

[KrasH]

First off good for you in wanting to get off the cigarettes.

Here are a few quick answers.

Health is still being studied of course, however there are no cancer causing agents in the vapor. The latest medical research shows that using an ecig has no long term affect on your heart, unlike analogs.

No staining of the teeth, there no tar or other chemicals to cause it. Nothing but vapor is exhaled so there is nothing to stain walls, furniture or anything else.

The only thing you will be inhaling is the nicotine, nothing else. You will absorb all the nicotine, when you exhale all that is left is the vapor.

 

[nebulas]

Welcome to ECF!

You can find the answers to your questions in the 'Medical Forum'.
Medical Research

 

[KrasH]

You can start with something like the Smoov which is a slim cigarette style PV. You can get a basic kit for under $30USD

The eGo kits are what a lot of people, including myself, start with but that is a bit bulkier and will cost more up front. I have been suggesting the Smoov or equivalent to a lot of friends, simply due to the price of the unit starting off. Easy to use and maintain, it is a 3.7 volt device and will give a good vape.

I suggest you take a look at these websites for kits.

GotVapes
Smoov
MadVapes
AltSmoke
E-cigSupply

That will give you a few places to get pricing. The forums are full of everything you need to know about Vaping. Lots of great people as well. I am on my phone posting this so forgive me for not giving you direct links.

If you need anything just ask and feel free to send me a private message if you need some help.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Vaping! You are doing the right thing for yourself. I was a pack and a half a day smoker and have not touched a cigarette in months. I have no craving or desire to have one either. I am sure you will get a lot of suggestions on what to buy, I think the small simple ecig that works well is the place to start. The Smoov will get you to where you want to be and it is inexpensive enough that you can give it to your mother when you gain more knowledge about vaping and can make a informed decision on your next PV (Personal Vaporizer).

Good luck and welcome to ECF!

 

[hrlw817]

I started with the "look a like" ecigs and they weren't that bad, at first. But, you may want to just start off with something simple, like the eGo-c, or even the eGo Cab, which isn't as bulky as the eGo-c. They are a good PV to start with. It will get your vaping feet wet. I have been using my eGo-c for a few months now, and I am still liking it.

 

[KrasH]

I started with the "look a like" ecigs and they weren't that bad, at first. But, you may want to just start off with something simple, like the eGo-c. It is a good PV to start with. It will get your vaping feet wet. I have been using mine for a few months now, and I am still liking it.

I started with the eGo-C kit and I do use 510 setups every day as well. I just think for the money its a good place to start. For the $60 range you can get the Smoov, some extra cartos and good quality juice. It really is a solid vape.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Hi Noks, welcome to ECF and congrats on your decision.

Health wise, what is the difference between e-cigs and analogues? Has anyone saw in increase in their cardio after changing to e-cigs? Sore throat, coughing and all that (im guessing you've all been there). Im not thinking e-cigs will cure cancer but im hoping they're a big step up from analogues in the health department.

I smoked 1 PAD for 44 yrs and within 1 month I saw the health benefits. Involved in sports once again that I couldn't do before while I was smoking because of my lowered lung capacity. Can now swim 5 miles straight in the bay...couldn't do that when I was smoking. Manual labor tasks are now a breeze. No more coughing or wheezing.

Im pretty sure e-cigs dont give yellow fingers since there's no smoke but do they still gives yellow teeth? And to they damage the teeth's gum? (or whatever the pink part where you're teeth are holding out from is called). Also wals and furniture to know if i should vape outside, though i think not as if i read right, all nicotine in the vape is supposed to stay in the system.

Smoking is bad for the teeth/ gums because it actually separates the tissue from the teeth thus resulting in periodontal disease. Studies have shown that nicotine actually promotes blood vessel growth which results in improved oral heath. While smoking I had to go for a cleaning every 3 months and it was a horrible experience. I now go every 6 months and it's a breeze. My Dentist, Dental Hygienist, GP and Surgeon all support my vaping. Never smoked in the car and I can now vape in the car- slight residue on the windshield that I clean off every few months.

My budget can be stretched a bit but i'd like to keep the cost down while getting a decent e-cig so that it can successfully kick the analogues through the window (and maybe even convince my mom to do the same) so i'd say around 60$. I'd like something subtle if possible and not something that looks like a nuclear powered pen but doesn't necessarily has to look like a real cigarette either.

You can buy the Volt- an ecig sized PV but realize battery life will not be that great. Battery info- 100 mah= 1 hr normal vaping before recharge is needed. There are discount codes and if this is your choice I can provide further info- realize it's 808 threading...510 is the most common threading.
If you don't mind the size (3 3/4"+ clearomizer- 2 1/2")= total length of 6 1/4" I would suggest the 1100 mah eGo. Manual batteries are less prone to damage from juice and puts you in the driver;s seat- if you need a stronger hit merely hold the button down longer. Here's an ECF listed vendor located in S. Ontario-
eGo Vision Stardust & Extreme Vision Custom Kit 1100mAh Black or Silver
2 eGo Vision Stardust LR
2 3.5ml Extreme Visions
2 1100mAh batteries stainless with gold look trim
2 matching stainless Extreme Vision cones
5 filter tips
1 usb charger
1 wall charger
Comes in Large Black eGo Case!
Black or Stainless your choice
And all you'll need is juice from Canvape- register to view.
After 5 posts wait 1 hr for the ECF servers to reset and request a Cdn vendors list:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...w-nic-supplier-list-via-pm-only-part-2-a.html
Good Luck.

 

[Herb396]

For me, anything coming out of ecigs was better than what was burning from real cigs. I tried the look-a-likes, but they didn't do it for me. I found my way to the KGO / EGo style set ups with CE4 clearomizers. I like the battery life and the freedom of mixing juices to my taste. Personal 'trial and error' were unavoidable and necessary to find a set up that gave me the freedom of real cigs.

 

[conflator]

I've been looking at e-Cig for a while and even though i'm a little bit skeptical about them being able to get me off cigarette, i decided to give it a try.

Good for you, and welcome to ECF!

Everyone's experience is different, but when I picked up my eGo, I put down the cigs. Two and a half weeks and counting. This is not a testament to my willpower - I've only once lasted more than a day trying to go cold turkey. 1/2+PAD for fifteen years, so not as impressive as some here, but I was very pleasantly surprised.

Health wise, what is the difference between e-cigs and analogues? Has anyone saw in increase in their cardio after changing to e-cigs? Sore throat, coughing and all that (im guessing you've all been there). Im not thinking e-cigs will cure cancer but im hoping they're a big step up from analogues in the health department.

The difference? Night and day. My lungs are still recovering, but I'm back taking long, brisk walks without getting winded. I have more energy - it's very easy to decide to walk to the store instead of jump in the car. I'm starting to wonder if I'll be able to get back into running in a little while.

The morning cough is gone (how fast this happens varies a lot), and that nasty, acidic taste in the mouth in the morning is gone.

You would not believe how good food tastes. Especially because you started smoking so young, you are in for a treat. (I had a pasta dish a couple of nights ago that quite literally had me crying. Amazing).

Im pretty sure e-cigs dont give yellow fingers since there's no smoke but do they still gives yellow teeth? And to they damage the teeth's gum? (or whatever the pink part where you're teeth are holding out from is called). Also wals and furniture to know if i should vape outside, though i think not as if i read right, all nicotine in the vape is supposed to stay in the system.

Already addressed by others, I'll just add one more thing - you won't smell like stale smoke any more. Stuff one of your t-shirts in the closet, and come back to it after a week. It's a little embarrassing to realize that was you, but awful nice to know it isn't any more

That's pretty much all i can think of right now, i haven't made all that much search so far as my jobs keeps me pretty tired all the time. My budget can be stretched a bit but i'd like to keep the cost down while getting a decent e-cig so that it can successfully kick the analogues through the window (and maybe even convince my mom to do the same) so i'd say around 60$. I'd like something subtle if possible and not something that looks like a nuclear powered pen but doesn't necessarily has to look like a real cigarette either. A case would be nice since where i work there's a lot of dust and it would probably break in my pockets, so i could just leave the case on a work table.

The kit Vapoor eyes er pointed to is a great start. (I think that must be a new kit from Canvape - wish they'd had that when I ordered!)

Good luck, and don't be a stranger!

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

The kit Vapoor eyes er pointed to is a great start. (I think that must be a new kit from Canvape - wish they'd had that when I ordered!)

It's been on the site for at least 4 months. Sometimes kinda hard to navigate his site so I use the Search function.

 

[tnt56]

Welcome Noks. Youv'e made a wise choice. I've been smoking analogs for over 45 years. I was between 2-3 packs a day. I've wound up with severe COPD, and have spent more time in an Ambulance and ER than I care to think of. I like you were lucky enough to find this forum. Search around and ask questions. All the folks here are EXTREMELY HELPFUL!!!!! I started with an eGo 1000mah battery kit. Also got a kit from Hoosier e Cigs. It came with 2 1100mah batteries, charger everything I needed to get started and was around $45. I know at first it will seem strange all the lingo and ohms and volts etc. Hang in their buddy. If I can do it anyone can. Best wishes and good luck on your new journey.

 

[tnt56]

Almost forgot. I went to my lung doctor last wednesday and he said that my lungs have never sounded so clear and also my B/P was almost normal. and I haven't even been a full month into vaping.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

WOWSER I know you from around ECF but I had no idea of what you went through...very glad to have you here and even more glad things are looking up for you

Welcome Noks. Youv'e made a wise choice. I've been smoking analogs for over 45 years. I was between 2-3 packs a day. I've wound up with severe COPD, and have spent more time in an Ambulance and ER than I care to think of. I like you were lucky enough to find this forum. Search around and ask questions. All the folks here are EXTREMELY HELPFUL!!!!! I started with an eGo 1000mah battery kit. Also got a kit from Hoosier e Cigs. It came with 2 1100mah batteries, charger everything I needed to get started and was around $45. I know at first it will seem strange all the lingo and ohms and volts etc. Hang in their buddy. If I can do it anyone can. Best wishes and good luck on your new journey.

 

[tnt56]

WOWSER I know you from around ECF but I had no idea of what you went through...very glad to have you here and even more glad things are looking up for you

Vapoor eyes er you have no idea. The last time I went to the ER I was classified as unresponsive, picked up off the kitchen floor and carried out the front door. I was gasping for air so bad I couldn't talk. Lucky for me the unlock code on my iPhone can be signed with only one hand. lol

 

[awsum140]

I would suggest examining what you are looking for in an e-cigarette. If you want to maintain the look, feel and basic operation of a tobacco cigarette I would suggest the Volt from Smokeless Image. They offer a good product with excellent customer support. All of their batteries are regulated at about 3.6 volts, sealed and work with all of their products. Their cartridges, clearomizers and other products are all designed to work with those batteries to produce good vapor and reasonable use between recharges. If you want a cigarette look and feel, you will be hard pressed to do better than their 78mm automatic batteries.

Their standard cartomizers are among the best out there and can be easily refuilled using liquids available from hundreds, or maybe thousands, of vendors including Smokeless Image. The 78mm battery has a capacity of about 320mah which will last about an hour of continuous use, non-stop smoking if you will. They also offer larger batteries with capacities of 650, 900 and 1300mah if you want to get something larger. The big disadvantage of the larger batteries is that they cannot be used "hands free" for long time periods, I dropped one in a pot of marinara I was making so trust me on that LOL.

As others have said, there is no tar or byproducts of combustion in the vapor an e-cigarette, personal vaporizer, produces. The health questions are "still up in the air", but the basic components of the liquids used are polyglycol, used in medical inhalants and many common items such as toothpaste, vegetable glycerin, also used in medical applications, nicotine and flavorings that are generally, but not always, organic in origin. There is no ethelyene glycol or anti-freeze in the liquids contrary to popular opinion. Overall it would seem to be much safer than smoking any form of tobacco to say the least. As a moderate to heavy smoker you may do best with cartridges and liquids that have 18mg or even 24mg nicotine content to satisfy your need for nicotine.

I was a pack a day plus smoker for about 50 years and am down to 12mg nicotine liquids after only a few months. Whatever battery system you select, enjoy your new "habit" that may quickly turn into a hobby!

 

[BlackToothGrin]

I recommend you get an ego kit, don't start with the pen style ecig. I was a heavy chain smoker and the pen style just did not keep up with my vaping. A ego c 1100mah battery will last all day heavy usage. Most kits are gonna run you under $70 for everything you need, and all you have to worry about is ejuice and atomizers or cartomizers.

 

[KrasH]

I would recommend the eGo if you had $100 to spend. You will need more than just the kit. Honestly the best thing to do is get something from the classified section, but you need 20 posts and a verified PayPal account to do so. The Smoov is a 3.7 volt device and will give you a good vape, but it does have short battery life due to its size. I would recommend you get a couple extra batteries as well. For your budget you will get the most for your initial investment. You will need more than just a kit to start vaping. The stick setups do work well and as you progress you can either sell it off or use it as a portable or backup device. Don't get the pre filled cartos, they are just not very good usually. The only Stallion Hybrid from GotVapes.com works very well with the 510 Batteries. I use mine every single day along with my eGo Twist batteries.

 

[asitoro]

I have to admit, i didn't expected so many replies. I'm glad to hear about the health factor and the dentist's approval. I decided to up my budget to 100$ as i'm a believer of doing it right the first time and im really determined on switching to e-cigs whether i like them or not. Quite a few posted about their stories and if people who been smoking 2 packs a day for 20+ years then i shouldn't have too much problems. Since i spend 80-90$ a week in analogues, it wont take long til i break even and start saving money anyway so i'd say it's worth to up my budget.

As for the form factor, it was really only a preference and i could live with a nuclear powered pen til i completely quit my nicotine addiction. The 100$ though would have to include spare parts (like backup batteries and others if i need to) and the case. I really want a battery that can last me a day of use while being what some call a moderate smoker. If someone could point to a good website to order from (im in canada) it would nice as i dont have the 5 posts to ask the supplier list in the canada sub-forum.

Sorry for changing my budget, should've planed ahead.

Edit: How much ml of e-juice do you use in 1 day? Im looking at the GotVape starter kit and seems to have everything i want, but not sure if it's good.

 

[remo4u]

normally 1to2ml/day for heavy vaperer 3to4ml . i was 1 1/2 pack person now i vape 3ml per day

 

[Razloz]

Congrats on your decision and welcome to the forums! Everyone already beat me to the suggestions as far as devices go, for a cig look-a-like, or pen-style, the Volt is probably the best out there from what I've heard. Personally me and the wife started with Joye 510's and eGo-C Twist kits (she prefers the pen-styles for the form factor). If you do go that route definitely get a PCC (personal charging case) so that you can have one fully charged (or charging) while you're using another. The charge the smaller devices hold don't last very long, so it's good to have two and a PCC. I would recommend something with a bit higher mAh just for ease of use, waiting for a recharge on your battery can be a pain. Since you seem to be in it for the long run I would suggest a variable voltage device, the eGo Twist has been working extremely well for us for the past few months. The hardest part of making the transition is finding a flavor that works for you, at least in my experience.

Honestly you probably won't start saving money for at least a few months, there's a lot of trial and error involved. The biggest cost is going to be trying different juices until you find the one that works for you. I would get several sample packs from multiple vendors to start off and try different stuff out. Once you find that flavor that does it for you, stick with it, and keep plenty on hand, while trying others out. After some time your taste buds will start to come back to life and your all day vape will likely change. Mine started with mango and now it's gone on to caramel and butterscotch and an assortment of other sweet vapes that I've been making (I make all my own juice now). Funny thing is, that same mango that I loved so much tastes pretty awful to me now. Tastes change quickly in the first few months so don't be afraid to try different things.

Like I said it can take a while before you actually start saving money. Expect to spend at least what you're already spending per week on cigs, at least until you get your setup and all day vape going. You can't really put a price on your health and I can honestly say that since I quit I feel a thousand times better. You'll get there, just stick with it! And don't be afraid to pop in on the forums there's a lot of good people here. If you have any questions about anything you can always shoot me a PM, I'm more than happy to help.