Newbie startled at disapproval of a switch from cigarettes to vaping

[wv2win]

Not to keep making comments, but think of all of these home based small eliquid businesses that are out there. Don't you think the tobacco companies are just hating that millions of people that have switched over to vaping. The tobacco companies have the money to push the laws to stop the making and selling of e liquid, mods, etc. If we respect the laws that r set for smokers, then they will have a much harder time in stopping us from vaping and getting our supplies.

First, smoking laws as they currently stand and are writtien do no cover or pertain to vaping. There is no burning of tobacco or second-hand smoke. Second, I understand your thinking, but if you really read and listen to those aligned against vaping, none of what you stated matters to them. As I stated in another post:

It does not matter how we vape. If we all vaped in a closet it would not matter, the forces aligned against vaping want it stopped, period. Don't try to apply common sense and logic to those who want vaping banned or severely restricted. They see it as a massive threat, which is quite understandable from their perspective. Being nice, submissive sheep will not change their viewpoint and they have quite a bit of power and influence. Just read the WHO statements on why vaping should be banned:

"it looks like smoking and will renormalize smoking and needs to be stopped". (slight paraphrase)

You cannot argue with that logic and based on that logic, vaping should be banned.

 

[DJ RyckRak]

I found the same response from some people, but like someone said in the post: I only vape where others can smoke. That way I don't have to deal with the issues. I would actually feel uncomfortable vaping at a table across from non-smokers. You couldn't smoke anywhere in FL as it was before vaping so I am use to it. Just keep vaping, but respect others that r not as informed as e-cig vapers. One thing else that all vapers need to be careful of. If we push the envelope too far, we will no longer be able to jump on the internet and buy our juice or mods. It will get to the point where you will be allowed the crappy ecigs sold in the stores. Many smokers are also against us because they feel if they can't smoke we should not be able to vape. We all need to respect the laws and keep the media off us so we can go out and buy whenever and whatever we want. I know we should have the "right" to do a lot of things, but as we all know, rights are always taken away if they are PRECEIVED as effecting others. Just please keep that in mind. Not that I agree with what others think, I just don't want to go to DYI liquids or I may not be able to do that because I may not be able to buy the nicotine anymore. Sorry for the long post just want us all to keep the vaping alive.

Do you mean you cigarettes are illegal in Florida ???
I don't think so.

I do not blow vapor in others faces...or even vape in rooms full of people...
But I vape ! And I am not going to hide it.
If I vape, and I am not doing anything illegal...
Better to keep your opinions to yourself, and not harass me...
Because I did not ask your opinion in the first place.
Or...take the easy way out...and ignore them !

This is NOT personally directed at Ziggy...just self righteous people in general !

 

[Smokachino]

This goes back and forth and you know what it turns out the real objection seems to be? People don't like THE WAY IT LOOKS. Are you kidding me? It LOOKS disgusting. It LOOKS like smoking. Therefore we should *outlaw it*. Now, I'm not a radical or anything (maybe a little) but I'd be embarrassed to say I wanted to outlaw someone's behavior because I didn't like the way it LOOKS.

Yep, pretty ridiculous. I see more offensive things walking through Walmart on a Saturday afternoon.

 

[ziggy929]

No, I don't mean its illegal in FL to smoke, its just banned in SO many places.(even outside on the property of some places of business) I am sure its like that in MANY states. Of course as you know many places wont let you work for them if you smoke. Even for life insurance now it doesn't ask if you smoke, it asks if you have used any form of nicotine. I am not saying that I stand with smokers and vape, I just go outside or 2 areas I know that I can vape without having to listen to anyone. I don't walk through the mall or grocery store vaping and I know many people do. I don't hide the fact I vape or do it in the closet. I just don't do it where I know it will stir the pot so to speak. But I admit it is BS that we are not hurting anyone but PRECEIVED that we are and too many people just want to have something to complain about.

 

[serendipitee]

Yep, pretty ridiculous. I see more offensive things walking through Walmart on a Saturday afternoon.

ROFLMAO! Just "thinking" about those offensive things at Wally World is worse.

 

[Martin Miller]

It's considered bad form to vape in a place where smoking is not allowed. I actually had one person that thought I was doing (illegal drug).....no kidding.

 

[ziggy929]

LMAO. someone told me my k100 looked like a "illegal drug" pipe.

 

[daz2013]

I work in engineering on the shop floor so you can imagine welding grinding etc.
Last weekend i decided to stop smoking and bought myself one of the ego E-cigs.
When i arrived at work told them i had stopped smoking and asked what the company policy was.
The reply was there probably isn't one but they would find out for me.
Half hour later i was told the policy was exactly the same as smoking go and stand with the smokers off the premises.
Everybody in the factory thinks that the policy is daft but i will stick to it and make the company look stupid.
One of the reasons was it might look like i was smoking.

 

[ziggy929]

Well, I guess it could be worse. Some countries have banned them and fine people caught with them. SO crazy, but they can smoke and die of cancer. Makes PERFECT sense to me.

 

[daz2013]

Yes could be worse
It was just so funny that they responded so fast obviously with no thought.
One of their employees wants to improve his health that can only be a good thing for them and maybe others would follow but hey lets not help them out. All i expected was somewhere i could go at least undercover and out of the weather.

 

[VictorViper]

My company is surprisingly lenient, already taking the stance that vaping at your desk is OK. That said, I'm also in the "perception-is-reality" camp and so do my vaping outdoors. On a matter of principle I do NOT use it in the smoking area or with other smokers.

I've definitely gotten some interesting looks, especially since yesterday when I got my box MOD, but no truly negative reactions - if anything, they have been curious, but meted with (legitimate) skepticism about their use and benefits. Folks who've been curious enough to approach me and ask about it have unanimously been tobacco users looking for information.

Now, this is in Canada and I know we have our own hurdles if we want this stuff regulated, legal and destigmatized (not to mention the city of Vancouver is notoriously "certain illegal drug" friendly), but the general opinion I've received from smokers and non-smokers alike is that it's an option to get off the cancer sticks and that can't be a bad thing.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

For some people there is no such thing as perfection unless they're talkin' bout themselves. Just realize first and foremost you're doing this for yourself. Next in line are kids, grandkids, wife/ husband, family members. That's why being a part of the ECF community is so very important for us. We can speak to like minded individuals and revel in each others success.
Wishing you the Best of Luck and don't allow the value of what you're doing to be invalidated by the naysayers.

 

[crxess]

I'll through you a bone:

It looks like Smoking AND SHOULD BE BANNED!

Watched the way people dance now a days?

Looks like they are Having SEX and SEX in public is illegal!

DOUBLE STANDARDS -

 

[Talyon]

My company is surprisingly lenient, already taking the stance that vaping at your desk is OK. That said, I'm also in the "perception-is-reality" camp and so do my vaping outdoors. On a matter of principle I do NOT use it in the smoking area or with other smokers.

I've definitely gotten some interesting looks, especially since yesterday when I got my box MOD, but no truly negative reactions - if anything, they have been curious, but meted with (legitimate) skepticism about their use and benefits. Folks who've been curious enough to approach me and ask about it have unanimously been tobacco users looking for information.

Now, this is in Canada and I know we have our own hurdles if we want this stuff regulated, legal and destigmatized (not to mention the city of Vancouver is notoriously "certain illegal drug" friendly), but the general opinion I've received from smokers and non-smokers alike is that it's an option to get off the cancer sticks and that can't be a bad thing.

Same here bro, I smoke openly in my workplace, but not in people's faces and never in the smoking area. Oh and we're unionized baby.
I know some day the company I work for well ban Vapeing it's their building, my recourse well be to make them via grievance to erect me a separate Vapeing area, so I won't be out at risk by 2nd and 3rd hand smoke.
Should be interesting.

But that's not today, so Vape on.....

 

[ca_girl2tx_girl]

A lot of people will not like it due to a lack of education on them. The best thing you can do is inform them of the benefits of vaping versus analogs. If they still hold that opinion, I say "Oh well!" You are doing this for you not them. You can't please everyone.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

After smoking for almost 30 years and always failing to quit, I thought there would be unanimous rounds of "Congrats" and "How great!" coming from the peanut gallery in my life. I was wrong.

Although most were supportive I started getting negative comments, especially when I said I was glad I wouldn't constantly be relegated to the hot/cold climes of outdoors, subjected to stares of disgust because I was a smoker, etc. "They should outlaw those things in public." What? Why? This is sort of how it went:

Me: This is so great and not feeling like a social pariah is going to be awesome.

Them: That's fine as long as it's not in a public setting.

Me: Why not? There's no smoke.. they're E-cigs. It's just vapor.

Them: You're still smoking. It's against the law to smoke in public.

Me: Noooo.. I mean, no. It isn't smoke.. there is no smoke.. it's Water. Vapor.

This goes back and forth and you know what it turns out the real objection seems to be? People don't like THE WAY IT LOOKS. Are you kidding me? It LOOKS disgusting. It LOOKS like smoking. Therefore we should *outlaw it*. Now, I'm not a radical or anything (maybe a little) but I'd be embarrassed to say I wanted to outlaw someone's behavior because I didn't like the way it LOOKS.

People floor me. I'm floored.

I find it pretty normal that most people judge me and others. Give them half a reason and they can't resist. Vaping is just one more item that some find does not meet their standards, and they are completely ignorant of the many benefits, and life changing improvements it provides for us. For this reason, I try not to Vape in most places where smoking is not allowed, but there are exceptions. I find that being a considerate vaper was just as important as being a considerate smoker, and I use my vaping as a way to educate those around me as much as possible. A great many people have little or no knowledge about the vape world, and some have an open mind and are supportive, and many more do not. A little grace, politeness and persuasion using facts and knowledge goes a long way., As a part of an important community of vapers, I try to do my best to promote my vaping in a positive way that others can understand and support. That being said, there's a lot of people out there that are going to judge me for any number of reasons, and this is just one more reason for them. I don't lose sleep over it. It took me 35 years to change my life threatening smoking habit into a virtually harmless habit, and it's going to take a while for others to catch up. Congrats, welcome to ECF and Vape On!

 

[trouble1000]

The company I work for hasn't banned vaping indoors ...yet.
Having said that, I do vape considerately especially in the canteen. If I'm at a table with others who are eating, I won't vape.

When I'm out driving my bus, I do vape at the terminus and bus stations, no-one pays any attention really. Apart from smokers who want to know more and relatives who are trying to get family members into vaping.

I have had some negative comments, but only a handful. Mainly along the lines of anti freeze in the juice, I quickly dis-spell the myth

Did have one jobsworth though last week, you know the sort that brown noses up to the Managers. I was stood outside the Depot on my break, chatting to some other drivers (it was sunny for a change). Brown nose walks past and the conversation went like this :
BN - "that thing stinks"
Me - "what do you mean"
BN - "the smoke from that thing smells orrible"
Me - "why, what does it smell of ?"
BN - "smells like a cheap tobacco"
Me - "you must be coming down with a cold, cos it's blackcurrant flavour"
BN - "it's still smoking and it's got nicotine in it"
Me - "it's not smoking it's vaping, you know like steam from a kettle. Plus you can vape 0 nicotine juices"
BN - "it's still bad for you"
Me - "I tell you what, you go and sit at the back of that running bus and I'll vape for an hour. Lets see who's in the best shape at the end of it"
Got bored by now and walked away.
What I'm trying to say is a lot of people are ignorant about vaping. With ignorance, sometimes comes fear and fear can cause negative reactions. Educate the ones that are interested and don't waste time with the ones that aren't

 

[xCybe]

I had a co-worker really shoot me down when I told him I'd quit smoking, switched to vape. I expected an atta-boy, but you'd think I'd switched to cigars or chew by his reaction. Felt lousy.

 

[xCybe]

my recourse well be to make them via grievance to erect me a separate Vapeing area, so I won't be out at risk by 2nd and 3rd hand smoke.

That's brilliant - I work in a professional environment, office building/cube farm. I don't vape out by the smokers, but do vape outside the smoking area. (outside - but not in the designated spot.) I don't plan to vape inside, but if I they insist I go stand in the smoker's area, I'll bring this up.

 

[Crash Moses]

At my brother's wedding today the family was inside waiting to take pictures. It was a long service and since only family was around I was stealth vaping...or so I thought. A frazzled church employee approached me and said, "Sir, I know it's vapor but please...not in the rectory." Then she flashed me her Blu. "No problem," I said.

So I went outside and educated all the smokers (which was more fun anyway).

I don't agree that we should relegate ourselves to only vaping where smoking is allowed because that suggests the two are the same...and they're not. It's important to let others see us so that they know there is a better alternative. I've had just as many conversations with non-smokers as smokers. Even if I can't vape I carry my PV in my hand hoping to snag a couple of unsuspecting fish (I call it vape trolling).

But we also need to use common sense and not vape where it may be inappropriate to do so (such as in a crowded theater or restaurant).