newbie troubles

[guitardedmark]

Hey all,

So far I've had a mostly great experience vaping but as of late I've had some real issues. Hopefully you wonderful people can help me

Since I started vaping, I've been very excited about trying new products and experimenting. That novelty is quickly wearing off as I STILL am unable to find a good reliable system for vaping. I think I have the battery issue down. I use 2 Joye 510 batteries with a PCC and I'm very happy with the setup.

I find that I don't really like much of a throat hit compared to a lot of other people. I like TONS of vapor and I like a lot of flavor. However, I've tried SLB, BOGE, and BOGE low resistance cartos and there is a lot to be desired. I have some ce2 R4 coming so I'm hoping those will help. I also got PIFed some atomizers which I'm hoping will improve my vaping experience. I do read this forum about 6 hours a day at work so I'd like to think I'm pretty educated. It seems the LR BOGE carto is the best yet although there is still too much throat hit. I should be getting some ce r4 shortly and I have some 100% vg juice on the way.

I've also been having a lot of difficulty lately with physical side effects from vaping. My throat and sinuses get absolutely destroyed when I vape. It feels like I have the cold. I actually smoked a cigarette the other day to test the difference and the vaping was 100x more harsh. I did start using some new juice thats 80%pg 20%vg but I had a tiny bit of johnson creek juice left and it felt exactly the same, like shards of glass in my throat.

I hear a lot of people talking about high voltage vaping. What is the effect of higher voltage in respect to throat hit, flavor, and vaper production? I did try a KR808 and I much preferred the 510.

Lastly, I'm starting to get really frustrated with the 510 cartos. They dont seem to last me very long between refills and every individual one seems to react completely different. I've heard people cirtisize the quality control and I have to agree!

I hope someone can offer some advice. I need it!

 

[banjo]

One of the problems with achieving the right flavor / vapor / TH ratio is finding the right base ratio of PG/VG used in creating the juice. VG will give you more vapor but less flavor, while PG will highlight the flavor, but give you less vapor. Most pre-mixed juices have a 80%PG to 20%VG ratio, which is the ratio that I prefer since I want a lot of flavor, and am not really concerned about vapor. A few suppliers use a 50% PG to VG ratio, and are successful with it. Other juice suppliers will allow you to designate the PG/VG ratio when you order, and you will have to do a little experimenting to find the ratio that is best for you. As far as TH goes, I have personally found that to be related to the nicotine level and how hot the atty burns. The hotter the atty and the higher the nic level, the more TH you will get. Since you don't care for TH, you definitely should consider juices with a lower nic level, probably around 12 to 18%, and you don't want to use LR (low resistance) attys.

 

[RedForeman]

I'm guessing the ce2 R4 isn't going to help you. I just got some to try out too. Cleaner and less messy to fill, but they only hit good on the first or second pull then you have to put it down a minute to wick more fluid.

VG might help with the physical issues. You'll just have to try some. And drink lots of water. My experience is 100% VG is thicker and doesn't wick as well as PG or PG blends. For me it's a match with a drip tip, but even then I really avoid chain vaping to let it soak into the atty good before hitting it. VG will give you a smooth thick vape with low TH - as long as it's feeding right. I haven't had good luck with using VG in cartos - it's just to thick to work well.

I've got no insight to HV or LR vaping, but for regular 3.7v use, I'm thinking of trying the mega atty/cart for my eGo. The reviews I've seen are generally positive for good vapor production.

 

[Rosa]

I think your 100% VG is gong to help a lot. Try that first before you go buying a whole bunch of new gear.

 

[bruzzo]

I think Rosa has it right. I find the high %VG i use. The less of a throat hit i get.
I'm still lookin for my sweet spot.

 

[wv2win]

If you don't like throat hit, you might want to consider a manual 801 on a regular battery (3.7 volts). They have a higher resistence in the atomizer and thus a cooler vapor at 3.7 volts. You can also get blank 801 cartomizers from MadVapes.com that will allow you to put about 40 drops in the cart and vape for quite a while without needing to put in more liquid.

 

[gingersnaps]

I haven't tried the r4 but I got the e2 r3 in a couple weeks or so ago and been using them on a 510. I haven't had any issues with them at all.

definately drink lots of water. when I first started my throat was always scratchy but keep up drinking water and it will pass.

I also had a sensitivity to the high th. I've gotten to where I can use all pg now but at first it was like starting smoking all over again. I would buy in as high vg% as I could and also started diy so I could control the ratio. some vendors won't do all or mostly vg. lowering the nic level does help to. It just takes a little experimenting to find your sweet spot. I would definately suggest trying a little diy with simple flavors if for nothing but an inexpensive way to find that spot your looking for when you buy premixed. if pg is just to much you can thin vg using distilled water at 5-10 %.

 

[stubear62]

Moving to the General E-Smoking Discussion Forum..

 

[Chalie_Champ]

hey all,

so far i've had a mostly great experience vaping but as of late i've had some real issues. Hopefully you wonderful people can help me

since i started vaping, i've been very excited about trying new products and experimenting. That novelty is quickly wearing off as i still am unable to find a good reliable system for vaping. I think i have the battery issue down. I use 2 joye 510 batteries with a pcc and i'm very happy with the setup.

I find that i don't really like much of a throat hit compared to a lot of other people. I like tons of vapor and i like a lot of flavor. However, i've tried slb, boge, and boge low resistance cartos and there is a lot to be desired. I have some ce2 r4 coming so i'm hoping those will help. I also got pifed some atomizers which i'm hoping will improve my vaping experience. I do read this forum about 6 hours a day at work so i'd like to think i'm pretty educated. It seems the lr boge carto is the best yet although there is still too much throat hit. I should be getting some ce r4 shortly and i have some 100% vg juice on the way.

I've also been having a lot of difficulty lately with physical side effects from vaping. My throat and sinuses get absolutely destroyed when i vape. It feels like i have the cold. I actually smoked a cigarette the other day to test the difference and the vaping was 100x more harsh. I did start using some new juice thats 80%pg 20%vg but i had a tiny bit of johnson creek juice left and it felt exactly the same, like shards of glass in my throat.

I hear a lot of people talking about high voltage vaping. What is the effect of higher voltage in respect to throat hit, flavor, and vaper production? I did try a kr808 and i much preferred the 510.

Lastly, i'm starting to get really frustrated with the 510 cartos. They dont seem to last me very long between refills and every individual one seems to react completely different. I've heard people cirtisize the quality control and i have to agree!

I hope someone can offer some advice. I need it!

well the pg in juice is for t.h. So you dont want an 80%pg 20%vg go with 100%vg and see if that works, also have you tried driping, when you drip you dont have to worry about inhaling the filler if it gets too dry or hot, i notice that when i drip it is a lil smoother then when i use carts. Worth a shot right? Then if it works just get a drip tip and your good to go.

 

[Chalie_Champ]

I just got a lr306 atty for my ego (fits 510) and there is no more of a t.h. Just get a bigger hit with less pull, the t.h. All depends on the pg % of the juice, and maybe a little on the pv you use.

 

[guitardedmark]

One of the problems with achieving the right flavor / vapor / TH ratio is finding the right base ratio of PG/VG used in creating the juice. VG will give you more vapor but less flavor, while PG will highlight the flavor, but give you less vapor. Most pre-mixed juices have a 80%PG to 20%VG ratio, which is the ratio that I prefer since I want a lot of flavor, and am not really concerned about vapor. A few suppliers use a 50% PG to VG ratio, and are successful with it. Other juice suppliers will allow you to designate the PG/VG ratio when you order, and you will have to do a little experimenting to find the ratio that is best for you. As far as TH goes, I have personally found that to be related to the nicotine level and how hot the atty burns. The hotter the atty and the higher the nic level, the more TH you will get. Since you don't care for TH, you definitely should consider juices with a lower nic level, probably around 12 to 18%, and you don't want to use LR (low resistance) attys.

Thanks for all the info! I've determined that I prefer between 18 and 30 mg nic. Preferrably about 18 mg. I just ordered 2 bottles of FreedomSmokeUSA Strawberry in 18 mg, one for 100% VG and one with 100% PG. I'm going to mix them so I can hopefully find my perfect balance of nic PG and VG. From there I'm hoping I can determine the best carto oHm resistance and get the vape im looking for. I do actually like the low resistance cartos the best because I think they product a ton of flavor and vapor compared to the others. I haven't been able to compare too much though and I've been testing a lot of difference juices so there are always a couple variables that make it difficult to isolate. The LR do product more flavor, vapor and TH right? I actually like them becuase I don't have to suck as long to take a drag.

 

[guitardedmark]

I'm guessing the ce2 R4 isn't going to help you. I just got some to try out too. Cleaner and less messy to fill, but they only hit good on the first or second pull then you have to put it down a minute to wick more fluid.

VG might help with the physical issues. You'll just have to try some. And drink lots of water. My experience is 100% VG is thicker and doesn't wick as well as PG or PG blends. For me it's a match with a drip tip, but even then I really avoid chain vaping to let it soak into the atty good before hitting it. VG will give you a smooth thick vape with low TH - as long as it's feeding right. I haven't had good luck with using VG in cartos - it's just to thick to work well.

I've got no insight to HV or LR vaping, but for regular 3.7v use, I'm thinking of trying the mega atty/cart for my eGo. The reviews I've seen are generally positive for good vapor production.

Well said. Thanks red!

 

[guitardedmark]

well the pg in juice is for t.h. So you dont want an 80%pg 20%vg go with 100%vg and see if that works, also have you tried driping, when you drip you dont have to worry about inhaling the filler if it gets too dry or hot, i notice that when i drip it is a lil smoother then when i use carts. Worth a shot right? Then if it works just get a drip tip and your good to go.

Ya i cant wait to try dripping. A nice PIFer is sending me some atomizers so I can drip. Thanks again Chief!

 

[guitardedmark]

Its hard to find out what to use to get the pefect TH. I'm really hoping if I use a 80% vg a 20% pg mix at 18 mg with the CE2 R4 cartos I will get rid of the physical side effects and get the right TH but I'm concerned it wont wick good enough. I think I'm going to have to PTB mod : /