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Depends entirely on what you're looking to accomplish with the next purchase. Are you looking for....
Flavor?
Cloud production?
"Shiny" factor (it's not a bad thing)?
Rebuilding, the 'I made that' satisfaction?
What do and don't you like about your MVP, VVV3, and V5? What more are you looking for? That'll help narrow the field considerably.
Flavor?
Cloud production?
"Shiny" factor (it's not a bad thing)?
Rebuilding, the 'I made that' satisfaction?
What do and don't you like about your MVP, VVV3, and V5? What more are you looking for? That'll help narrow the field considerably.
Well I am just looking for overall a good device. Something that has good flavor, good smoke production. Maybe a rebuilding atomizer but i haven't decided yet.
Well then...
In my exceptionally limited experience, the KFL+V2 works for both quite beautifully. I got mine (a clone) for $40.00 from 101vapes, and have been LOVING it. It gives you the best of both worlds; the ability to rebuild to a specific resistance level, and a tank full of your favorite liquid. The vapor production and flavor, even at ohm levels the V5 will fire (1.3 and above), is above and beyond what even my beloved Aerotanks can provide. One of the big YouTube reviewers, I think maybe RipTrippers, opined it might be something to do with the chimney in it, and I think he's onto something. Either way, with a 1.4 ohm coil I get clouds that look like the ones you see on YouTube with the suicidal maniacs building .1ohm coils, and the flavor is fantastic.
You can pair the Kayfun clone with a basic mech purchase (same website - Smoktech Magneto for $38) and play with the lower-ohm builds as well. Once you figure out if you really want to go sub-ohm, find a good RDA and ohm meter and have at it. You're set for the short term with your Vamo - the ohm reading is accurate enough to keep you safe presuming you're using high-drain batteries.
Disclaimer - I am, relatively speaking, VERY new to this, and also hope I'm not insulting your intelligence. There's new to ECF, and there's new to vaping, and the two don't always correlate. You have some pretty good equipment already, so I'm answering from the standpoint of someone at presumably the same point as you; "I'm liking these excellent VV/VW devices, now what's next?"
You pretty much covered it.
I'd recommend getting the mech mods on fasttech though, great mods with unbeatable prices.
I'd recommend the nemesis it also comes with a kick ring if you want to use kick for the extra safety or want vw.
Battery safety is super important with mech mods & if you're going to build you need an ohm tester preferably a multimeter aswell to check up on the batterys every now and then.
Sony VTC4 or 5 is the most recommended batteries, they're also the best ones if you decide to try out subohm someday.
As for the kayfun if you're not going subohm with it you don't realy need a mech mod except for the looks.
You pretty much covered it.
I'd recommend getting the mech mods on fasttech though, great mods with unbeatable prices.
I'd recommend the nemesis it also comes with a kick ring if you want to use kick for the extra safety or want vw.
Battery safety is super important with mech mods & if you're going to build you need an ohm tester preferably a multimeter aswell to check up on the batterys every now and then.
Sony VTC4 or 5 is the most recommended batteries, they're also the best ones if you decide to try out subohm someday.
As for the kayfun if you're not going subohm with it you don't realy need a mech mod except for the looks.
Nice assist, you covered everything I missed in my rookie-ness (rookie-hood?)
.This forum needs a high-five smiley.
Well, I'd say mechanical mods are a typical step up from VV, for the vapers who go that far (and not everyone does; don't feel pressured to). But there are things to consider. It's not as simple as just picking up your device and going about your merry way all day every day. Mechanicals have things you need to consider. I hesitate to call them draw backs, because they aren't necessarily. It just depends on you. Same with "benefits." Maybe, maybe not, it depends on you. So I'm going to make you a list, but instead of labeling it pros and cons, I'm going to call it what I like about mechanical mods, and things to consider. Here you go.
What I like about mechanical mods:
-The cool factor. They look pretty awesome.
-The simplicity. There is so much less to break down of malfunction than a VV or even an ego. Nearly everything is replaceable, many of the parts for only a few dollars. Basically you've got a tube, two connection points with an activation switch, and a separate battery. There's no computer to fry either.
-The versatility. You can run standard tanks, cartos, clearos, attys etc if you want to. You can also do rebuildable coils at pretty much any ohm you want* (There will be more on this under things to consider). You can even get a device called a Kick and do variable voltage. I can decide I want to do VV, pop in the kick, set it, and if 10 minutes later I feel like subohming? I just take it off and continue with the same device. Many mods are either telescopic or come with several size tubes. This means if I want something heavy with max power and vape time, I can pop in an 18650 battery and have it. My friend calls me and invites me out but I don't want to bring a massive heavy mod with me? Easy, take out the 18650 and either screw the mod to a smaller size (telescopic) or change the tube, pop in an 18350 and I've got a compact mod better for going out and about.
Things to consider:
-You'll need to do your homework and learn how to use your device correctly and safely.
-*There is no built in safety component in a mech mod like there is in a VV device. There's no ohm cut off or short protection. This means you need to be testing your toppers for ohms compatible with your battery (mostly a concern if you rebuild) and shorts (a concern whenever you put ANYTHING on a mech, rebuilt or factory standard, even if you've been using the topper a while, I check mine compulsively).
-You'll have to learn about all these things: Ohms and Ohms law, volts, amps, shorts, minimum and maximum discharge. You have to have a battery rated for a certain number of amps to vape at a certain level of subohms. Here's a good place to start understanding ohms and amps especially if you're interesting in subohming: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-discussion-safety-battery-info-warnings.html
-But even if you don't intend to subohm, you'll need to know about volts because you're going to need to be testing your batteries. You can only run your battery so low in volts before it's has the potential to be unsafe to charge again. Likewise, your battery can only be charged to so many volts, before it's completely unsafe to ever use again. You'll need to test your batteries before and after they go on the charger. Battery safety is a big concern and something you'll want to learn about in depth.
-You'll need extra equipment. It's absolutely essential to have a multimeter and an ohm meter with a mechanical mod. (You can actually test ohms with a multimeter, but trust me it's so much easier to just get an ohm meter that your toppers just screw on to). These are essential items for safety. You cannot do without them.
So there you have it. And this is just a summery, there's more to it for sure, but this is a good starting place for you. And this list isn't to say that I don't absolutely love mech mods. As of now, I pretty much use them exclusively (occasionally I break out the old egos lol). But make no mistake about it, mech mods are not simple, and not exactly new user friendly. this really is a device best used by advanced users who have the willingness to learn, and the dedication to continue to use them safely. If you're willing to learn and do, great! A mech mod may be the best new toy you could get. However if you're not willing to learn and do, stick with your regulated devices, for your own safety.
What I like about mechanical mods:
-The cool factor. They look pretty awesome.
-The simplicity. There is so much less to break down of malfunction than a VV or even an ego. Nearly everything is replaceable, many of the parts for only a few dollars. Basically you've got a tube, two connection points with an activation switch, and a separate battery. There's no computer to fry either.
-The versatility. You can run standard tanks, cartos, clearos, attys etc if you want to. You can also do rebuildable coils at pretty much any ohm you want* (There will be more on this under things to consider). You can even get a device called a Kick and do variable voltage. I can decide I want to do VV, pop in the kick, set it, and if 10 minutes later I feel like subohming? I just take it off and continue with the same device. Many mods are either telescopic or come with several size tubes. This means if I want something heavy with max power and vape time, I can pop in an 18650 battery and have it. My friend calls me and invites me out but I don't want to bring a massive heavy mod with me? Easy, take out the 18650 and either screw the mod to a smaller size (telescopic) or change the tube, pop in an 18350 and I've got a compact mod better for going out and about.
Things to consider:
-You'll need to do your homework and learn how to use your device correctly and safely.
-*There is no built in safety component in a mech mod like there is in a VV device. There's no ohm cut off or short protection. This means you need to be testing your toppers for ohms compatible with your battery (mostly a concern if you rebuild) and shorts (a concern whenever you put ANYTHING on a mech, rebuilt or factory standard, even if you've been using the topper a while, I check mine compulsively).
-You'll have to learn about all these things: Ohms and Ohms law, volts, amps, shorts, minimum and maximum discharge. You have to have a battery rated for a certain number of amps to vape at a certain level of subohms. Here's a good place to start understanding ohms and amps especially if you're interesting in subohming: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-discussion-safety-battery-info-warnings.html
-But even if you don't intend to subohm, you'll need to know about volts because you're going to need to be testing your batteries. You can only run your battery so low in volts before it's has the potential to be unsafe to charge again. Likewise, your battery can only be charged to so many volts, before it's completely unsafe to ever use again. You'll need to test your batteries before and after they go on the charger. Battery safety is a big concern and something you'll want to learn about in depth.
-You'll need extra equipment. It's absolutely essential to have a multimeter and an ohm meter with a mechanical mod. (You can actually test ohms with a multimeter, but trust me it's so much easier to just get an ohm meter that your toppers just screw on to). These are essential items for safety. You cannot do without them.
So there you have it. And this is just a summery, there's more to it for sure, but this is a good starting place for you. And this list isn't to say that I don't absolutely love mech mods. As of now, I pretty much use them exclusively (occasionally I break out the old egos lol). But make no mistake about it, mech mods are not simple, and not exactly new user friendly. this really is a device best used by advanced users who have the willingness to learn, and the dedication to continue to use them safely. If you're willing to learn and do, great! A mech mod may be the best new toy you could get. However if you're not willing to learn and do, stick with your regulated devices, for your own safety.
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I have Vamo V5 also I like over my SVD. I got a Mechanical (just because the say) it just sits there nice and shinny but I don't use it.
Make sure you want one my point.
Make sure you want one my point.
Hubby and I just started vaping about 2 months ago and we started with Ego than to MVP, than Coolfire (LOVE) and than Vamo V5 and than the SVD and VTR, and than I picked up a Tesla M4 Mechanical and a Kamry Robot V mechanical (LOVE) and hubby has a smoktech pipe than I got a Vamo V2 and just got a VV3 (for my purse) but when all is said and done I still love my Coolfire. Don't know what it is about it but I love the feel and the weight of it. I have a Sigelei Zmax mini, a K100 and another Vamo on the way. Hubby has banned me from buying anymore though
Ok, I am an EE. Electronics are my life.
That said, I have NO interest in ever getting a true mech. None. Maybe one of those gorgeous tubes, but bet your bottom dollar it'll at least have basic safety circuitry hidden in it. (Current limiter, temperature cutoff, low voltage cutoff, stuff like that.) Those batteries are just too dangerous, in my opinion, unless this is something you're really, really into.
Think about a sport like hang gliding or sky diving. If you're really into it, it's awesome. BUT, it's not a trivial hobby either, like fly tying.
And honestly, I don't see the point. What does it give you a good mod doesn't? Myself, the one big toy I plan on getting myself is a Provari. Not so much because of the tech, which is certainly solid, but because of the build quality and ProVape's corporate ethics. I'll pay a little more for that for a piece of artwork. Which as an engineer, they are to me.
But that's it for high end stuff. I have a Kayfun clone coming, no plans on getting a real one. Might get an RDA someday, but may just get a few 510 attys for dripping. Don't want to sub ohm, not because I don't like cloud chasing, but because that much current next to my face gives me hives. Even the little guys, like my little VV, makes me a little nervous sometimes. Lets see, 11W and 1.5 ohms, is over 7 amps! Now it probably doesn't really put out that much, but still ... Even 5 amps is a lot of current.
This may be why I use plastic drip tips, come to think of it. When I'm around any power device I don't like touching metal. Heh. Never realized that consciously.
That said, I have NO interest in ever getting a true mech. None. Maybe one of those gorgeous tubes, but bet your bottom dollar it'll at least have basic safety circuitry hidden in it. (Current limiter, temperature cutoff, low voltage cutoff, stuff like that.) Those batteries are just too dangerous, in my opinion, unless this is something you're really, really into.
Think about a sport like hang gliding or sky diving. If you're really into it, it's awesome. BUT, it's not a trivial hobby either, like fly tying.
And honestly, I don't see the point. What does it give you a good mod doesn't? Myself, the one big toy I plan on getting myself is a Provari. Not so much because of the tech, which is certainly solid, but because of the build quality and ProVape's corporate ethics. I'll pay a little more for that for a piece of artwork. Which as an engineer, they are to me.
But that's it for high end stuff. I have a Kayfun clone coming, no plans on getting a real one. Might get an RDA someday, but may just get a few 510 attys for dripping. Don't want to sub ohm, not because I don't like cloud chasing, but because that much current next to my face gives me hives. Even the little guys, like my little VV, makes me a little nervous sometimes. Lets see, 11W and 1.5 ohms, is over 7 amps! Now it probably doesn't really put out that much, but still ... Even 5 amps is a lot of current.
This may be why I use plastic drip tips, come to think of it. When I'm around any power device I don't like touching metal. Heh. Never realized that consciously.
Yeah mechanicals isn't for everyone.
But it's not that extreme as you want it to sound realy.
And i agree without proper knowledge mechs can be realy dangerous. That's why i dislike beginners who comes in with the mentality "Ok guys i'm 100% new to this, which mech mod do i need for best subohms to blow big clouds?" That's just asking for trouble.
Also sony vtcs handles 30A so 7A is barely anything.
telling people to buy clones is terrible advice. there are plenty of non stolen designs available, supporting intellectual property theft is going to end badly for your children when they have jobs that involve coming up with original designs.
I know it does. When I found that out I cringed away from it. Yup, I'd like a high power mod, but after thinking about it, the only high power mod I'll ever have is a Provari if they make one.
Not because it's necessarily all that dangerous, but because having power devices blow up on me is an occupational hazard. I've watched plasma arcs burn through boards with flame and smoke coming out. (High power output isolation testing.) I've gotten bitten by a high voltage power supply and ended up across the room.
I'm the opposite of the newb who comes in wanting to subohm right away to blow big clouds. I know too much about what that kind of current can do.
It's like someone who's gotten sick because of or right after eating some unusual food or drinking some particular beverage. I've known people who will literally vomit at the smell of tequila because of one binge 20-30 years before. Now it's not that extreme for me, but I'm very uncomfortable around high current (up to about 10 A) devices unless they are well made and have reasonable safeties on them. Over 10 A, I want the best. That's getting up toward defibrillator range.
The thing is the clones are not exact copies of the originals. It's the same as buying aftermarket parts and not OEM versions for auto repair. An O2 sensor is an O2 sensor. The mechanics of how an RBA works are not controllable intellectual property any more than someone who makes straws can patent capillary action. It's too basic.
Besides which, making money on proprietary IP in technology is dying rapidly. It's being killed by open source and replaced with totally different financial models. The economics of 'free' are very interesting. Google is clobbering everyone and gives away nearly everything they make.
Thanks for asking this question landau37. I have the iTaste SVD and am thinking about moving to a MechMod as well. My hubby just got one with an RDA and I loved it. After thieving his, the only drawback for me was the design of the one he had. The button was awkward for me. Personally I need to gain some knowledge before I tackle a mech beast.
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My math *could* be off, but 11w with 1.5 ohm resistance doesn't even crack 3 amps. Even with a lower amp limit battery, that is deep in the safety zone.
And I believe the little VV has an amp limit of 4, so it will stop before you get anywhere near 7 amps...
Totally agree! Seems to have been quite a lot of that here lately on the New Members forum.
As an EE I'm sure you understand that there is no possible way a 5 volt battery can come anywhere near providing a high enough current on its own to be dangerous to a human. By the way, 60 ma can kill ya.A
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