Nic addiction question

[Caffeine7]

Today the thought crossed my mind. I smoked for a long time and got used to not smoking while indoors, at restaurants, at work etc. my question is does vaping make you more addicted to nic? You can stealth a few puffs whenever instead of having to wait for the chance to go out for a smoke. Do you think vaping gives more opportunity for more nic intake? I vape some 6 mg but mostly 12 mg so its pretty light compared to 20-30 full flavor cigs a day

 

[meanckz]

I think vapor has a different absorption rate than smoke.
or something like that, I think I read that it's easier for the body/lungs to absorb nic from smoke or something like that

 

[autobiogphnation]

I dont think that you're going to "get addicted" to nicotine from vaping if you already are, lol. Most likely if you've smoked for some time, you're already addicted to nicotine. You may not be "fiending" for it all the time but you may have some extent of addiction.

Personally I've never felt addicted to nicotine, but I was never a heavy smoker. For me it was the physical habit, the routine. Like anything, use moderation as best as you can and you should be ok.

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

As a 35 year smoker I was addicted to nicotine. I'm still addicted to nicotine and for me to say anything else would be a lie.
I'm currently vaping 18mg nic and will continue for some time to come. I plan to reduce the nic in time in 2mg increments eventually until I'm vaping at 0 nic. Plans, as good as they are do not always come to fruition but that's my plan anyway. I expect to continue vaping until I can't vape anymore.

 

[Rickajho]

Do you think vaping gives more opportunity for more nic intake?

No - for a lot of reasons.

There's a big difference between what you get out of cigarette smoke and all the things you don't get from vaping. The addiction pull to smoke is a lot stronger because of that. It's not just about the nicotine - far from it.

Pulling harder on a cigarette does release more nicotine, but pulling harder on an e-cig does not. In other words, pulling harder on either produces more smoke for the latter and more vape for the former. But the concentration of nicotine in the smoke rises, while the concentration of nicotine in the vape does not.

We need more research. In the mean time check out the information available on CASAA.org as the folks have done a very good job of consolidating all the info that's available so far.

 

[DC2]

Today the thought crossed my mind. I smoked for a long time and got used to not smoking while indoors, at restaurants, at work etc. my question is does vaping make you more addicted to nic? You can stealth a few puffs whenever instead of having to wait for the chance to go out for a smoke. Do you think vaping gives more opportunity for more nic intake? I vape some 6 mg but mostly 12 mg so its pretty light compared to 20-30 full flavor cigs a day

After four years on this forum, reading every single day, I can tell you this...

I don't believe I have ever seen ANYONE become more addicted to nicotine through vaping.
In fact, the opposite is clearly true for probably around 85% of vapers.

There main reason for this is that nicotine is not nearly as addictive when not taken in through smoking tobacco.

Here is a post that I think you should definitely read...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-nicotine-withdrawal-really.html#post11195223

 

[Giant Squid]

I don't vape every day and I don't feel any withdrawal when I'm not vaping. As a comparison I drink coffee every day and I do feel a bit worse without caffeine.

 

[SissySpike]

The hardware addiction is the real problem here! Fore some reason nic addiction in this form causes one to buy lots of gadgets and accessories!

 

[Mark Anthony]

It's all in how often you use it I would guess.... and yes, I think the absorption rate is lower for vape.

 

[kristin]

Today the thought crossed my mind. I smoked for a long time and got used to not smoking while indoors, at restaurants, at work etc. my question is does vaping make you more addicted to nic? You can stealth a few puffs whenever instead of having to wait for the chance to go out for a smoke. Do you think vaping gives more opportunity for more nic intake? I vape some 6 mg but mostly 12 mg so its pretty light compared to 20-30 full flavor cigs a day

I think you answered your own question? Vaping changes habits but doesn't make one "more addicted" to nicotine.

How many milliliters of liquid do you vape per day? Because 30 cigarettes = 30 mg nicotine absorbed (10%) and 12 mg liquid = 1.2 mg absorbed per milliliter (at 10%). At 1.2 mg per milliliter, you would have to vape 25 ml per day to equal the same amount of nicotine you absorbed from 30 cigarettes.

So, smoking one cigarette was nearly the same amount of nicotine you get from a whole milliliter of e-liquid. But when you smoked, you were smoking that 1 mg in 10 - 15 minutes rather than spread out over some time and that cigarette nicotine had to last until your could smoke again. Eventually, you'd be craving another cigarette. With vaping, it's less nicotine but more frequently, which keeps things on more of an even keel.

And most smokers self-regulate nicotine intake, so it's rare to be "more addicted" if they are even "addicted" rather than "dependent." The majority of smokers don't really smoke much more than 20 cigarettes per day. Unlike with street drugs and alcohol, most nicotine users don't seem to need to "up" their nicotine intake time and again to get the desired effect. (Or else we'd see most 30-year smokers smoking upwards of 10 packs a day and that's not usually the case.) So it's more like the theory of eating more often when trying to lose weight. Rather than starving yourself for long periods and then binge eating, it's better to eat more than 3 small meals throughout the day.

I see chemical "addiction" as a term for a "negative dependency" - one that causes quality of life to get worse or be destroyed - whereas a normal "dependency" can actually maintain or improve quality of life. (Such us dependency on anti-depressants for some people.) Since vaping improves my quality of life and I experience no negative aspects from it, I consider it something I am "dependent upon" bit not "addicted to."

 

[greghemmings]

I fully agree with Kristin...I smoked an average of one pack of Newports per day. I vape one full protank in a 16 hour period at 12mg. I find I vape kore often because rather than finishing one whole cig at once, I might take 2 or 3 vapes and be satisfied!

 

[Moodyfisherman]

The hardware addiction is the real problem here! Fore some reason nic addiction in this form causes one to buy lots of gadgets and accessories!

That there is funny stuff.....lol.....I've only been vaping for 7 weeks and I have to give myself a labotomy every other day so I can't find my wallet to keep from buying more vape goodies

 

[B1sh0p]

I'm not sure if I'm more addicted to nicotine, but I'm more addicted to the habit. My girlfriend calls my APVs "pacifiers" because I have one in my hand constantly. It really annoys her and I don't blame her. I enjoy vaping, but it is a habit and it is a crutch. It's not something I want to do forever.

 

[heroinesick]

As much as I vape ( and seriously, it's all the time. I won't lie to anybody.) I know that I'm less dependent on nicotine now more than ever before.

Last month, my family took our very first vacation together ever. We flew to Florida. Before I started vaping, airplane trips were HELL. That twoish hour wait ( as long as there weren't any delays..) to get through security and then waiting to board AND the flight made it absolutely miserable. I had to wait 4 hours plus a 2 hour flight from here to FL. it was a breeze. We got our stuff and walked around a little through the airport. That would never have been a possibility for me when I was a smoker. I'd have booked it our the nearest set of doors to smoke back then. Now, it's pretty much if I have to go a couple of hours, I'll be just fine and I know it.

 

[Myrany]

In the 7 months + that I have been vaping I have dropped my nicotine level from 12 mg to 0-1mg. Vaping 0mg more often than not. I can go hours without vaping and without missing it. That said I am still addicted. Every now and then I get a bout of depression that only a few hours of vaping higher (6 mg) nic juice will solve. No question in my mind I will ALWAYS be addicted.

 

[kristin]

Myrany, have you considered the possibility that you suffer from occasional mild depression and it's not addiction withdrawal you're feeling, but that the small dose of nicotine is actually keeping your symptoms at bay when they flare up?

 

[Myrany]

Myrany, have you considered the possibility that you suffer from occasional mild depression and it's not addiction withdrawal you're feeling, but that the small dose of nicotine is actually keeping your symptoms at bay when they flare up?

Actually yes I have discussed it with my doctor. He feels that if it were the nic keeping it at bay it would be a far more immediate and constant problem than every couple of months or so. Also that an hour or 2 at higher nic level would not knock it out, it would take much longer term use.

 

[JulesXsmokr]

Today the thought crossed my mind. I smoked for a long time and got used to not smoking while indoors, at restaurants, at work etc. my question is does vaping make you more addicted to nic? You can stealth a few puffs whenever instead of having to wait for the chance to go out for a smoke. Do you think vaping gives more opportunity for more nic intake? I vape some 6 mg but mostly 12 mg so its pretty light compared to 20-30 full flavor cigs a day

To me I would tend to think it (vaping indoors) has helped decreased my intake.
When I had to do something that me deprived of smoking in my normal manner and intake, I usually would puff like freakin' locomotive before I was made to made to abstain for a long period of time, also if I was able to get a break from an activity that restricted my intake of cigarette chemicals, I would proceed to chain smoke before I had to go back to that activity. Deprivation is not good for you, it excites you into doing things that are not normal and your own healthy norm.
So, now if I can vape inside or stealth vape, I can keep my addiction to my "safe vape" to an even tolerable keel......

 

[zoiDman]

Today the thought crossed my mind. I smoked for a long time and got used to not smoking while indoors, at restaurants, at work etc. my question is does vaping make you more addicted to nic? You can stealth a few puffs whenever instead of having to wait for the chance to go out for a smoke. Do you think vaping gives more opportunity for more nic intake? I vape some 6 mg but mostly 12 mg so its pretty light compared to 20-30 full flavor cigs a day

I don't think that Nicotine per say is the Physical Addiction that is Increased by using e-Cigarettes. I think it is the Mental Addiction of inhaling from an e-Cigarette that you are seeing.

As you noted, e-Cigarettes gives one more Opportunities to feed their Hand-to-Mouth Addiction. And many people find themselves wanting to taking a hit in places they would Never have consider Smoking a Cigarette before.

 

[Caridwen]

I'm not sure if I'm more addicted to nicotine, but I'm more addicted to the habit. My girlfriend calls my APVs "pacifiers" because I have one in my hand constantly. It really annoys her and I don't blame her. I enjoy vaping, but it is a habit and it is a crutch. It's not something I want to do forever.

Increase the nicotine and you'll probably vape less. I know I did.