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I was really bluesey when I first switched off of the analogs. It was actually starting to worry me how profoundly bummed out I was feeling - lethargic, negative, just blah. If you are able to function with it, you may find that time will heal it as it did with me. In my case was definately the withdrawl from cigarettes.

If you are finding yourself unable to get out of bed, that depression is affecting your work or relationships or other areas of your life, then my recommendation would be to talk to a doctor about what you need to get up and running again. If you are just bluesy and are managing it ok, try to stick it out.

JMHO though. Good Luck with whatever you decide.
 

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There is strong scientific evidence that nicotine and depression are related. People who suffer from depression are twice as likely to start smoking, and twice as unsuccessful at quitting.

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You ..... might very well benefit from one or more of the remarkable medications available today that can help normalize your brain chemistry, if it is in fact "out of balance". There is no shame in taking insulin if you're diabetic, no shame in taking phenobarbitol if you're epileptic, and no shame in using an anti-depressant if you suffer from depression that results from a chemical imbalance.

I also have reason to believe that there might be a connection between depression and nicotine consumption, but I cannot and will not recommend that you start taking it. That said, the "right" doctor might just tell you that there is indeed a connection, and that you might be well-served by vaping. Nicotine is known to improve memory and mood. Google "nicotine memory seniors" and see page after page of reliable information about how many doctors are currently prescribing the nicotine patch for memory improvement. I used to be adamantly opposed to recommending vaping to non-smokers, but after seeing what nicotine can do for mood, memory, and alertness, especially when ingested absent the carbon monoxide and many, many other harmful chemicals in tobacco smoke, I am rethinking that position. Similarly, since I do not see a large difference in harm level between caffeine and nicotine, I would not be opposed to seeing a non-coffee drinker decide to start drinking coffee, which also has scientifically proven benefits.

Depression runs in my family, and I have anecdotal evidence that nicotine could play a role in reducing it. I believe that the science to back that up either currently exists or will soon exist. Since starting to vape 6 months ago my outlook on life has never been better, or my mind sharper and more focused. I now see solutions and courses of actions more, and "insurmountable problems" less.

Let me be clear and repeat that I am not advocating that you immediately start using nicotine. What I am begging you to do is see someone immediately who can tell you point blank that you are being far too hard on yourself, and that things can be much, much better for you than they are now. I see a time in the very near future where you have forgiven yourself, think well of yourself, and seek people out and have them seeking you out for all the good things that you clearly have to offer. It's obvious that you're an intelligent, sweet, sensitive and caring young woman who just needs a few nudges in the right direction. You're like a very powerful ship that's just drifted a few degrees off course. That does not make you a bad ship. We all drift off course, and we can all get back on course. Sometimes a ship has to take on a pilot to navigate it through some tricky waters, like the ones you're in right now. Please go find yourself a pilot - tomorrow.

The past does not equal the future. Do not dwell in the past. There is only the present, and the future. Decide to forgive yourself for whatever it is you now think makes you unworthy of love and friendship, which you are not. Realize that at 19 years of age - just about 1/3 of mine - you have so much ahead of you it is absolutely mind-boggling. Your life has not even begun yet; the first thirty years hardly even count.

Please realize the tremendous power that you, or anyone has to let go of the past, and change for the better the one person in the world that you can have almost complete control over if you decide to do it - YOU.

PM me if you'd like someone to talk to; I like to help people.

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Mods and/or fellow members; please read my post carefully before you find too much fault with it. I am strongly advocating that this fine young woman do absolutely nothing without the guidance of health care professionals.



"Depression runs in my family, and I have anecdotal evidence that nicotine could play a role in reducing it. I believe that the science to back that up either currently exists or will soon exist. Since starting to vape 6 months ago my outlook on life has never been better, or my mind sharper and more focused. I now see solutions and courses of actions more, and "insurmountable problems" less".

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Googling "nicotine depression":


"Nicotine Lessens Symptoms of Depression in Nonsmokers"

Nicotine Lessens Symptoms of Depression in Nonsmokers - DukeHealth.org

Published: Sept. 11, 2006
Updated: Sept. 12, 2006


By Duke Medicine News and Communications

DURHAM, N.C. -- Nicotine may improve the symptoms of depression in people who do not smoke, Duke University Medical Center scientists have discovered.

The finding does not mean that people with depression should smoke or even start using a nicotine patch, the researchers caution. They say that smoking remains the No. 1 preventable cause of death and disability in the United States, and that the addictive hazards of tobacco far outweigh the potential benefits of nicotine in depression. [So vape instead?]

But the finding suggests that it may be possible to manipulate nicotine's effects to safely reap its potential medical benefits, according to the researchers. As an example of the drug's potential, they said, pharmaceutical companies already are developing compounds for treating other brain disorders by mimicking the beneficial properties of nicotine while avoiding its addictive nature. [Nicotine absent the MAOI's in cigarette smoke is less addictive.]

"The hope is that our research on nicotine will spur the development of new treatments for depression, which is a huge public health problem," said lead study investigator Joseph McClernon, Ph.D., an assistant research professor of medical psychiatry and researcher at the Duke Center for Nicotine and Smoking Cessation Research.

"Our study also provides evidence that smokers may indeed smoke, in part, to improve their mood -- a notion that has been quite controversial in the field," he said.

The team's findings are scheduled to appear the week of Sept. 11, 2006, in the online edition of the journal Psychopharmacology and will be published in print in November.

The research was supported by the National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression.

Scientists have established that people prone to depression are twice as likely to be smokers, and are less likely to succeed in quitting smoking after taking up the habit, according to McClernon. The Duke study explored the theories behind the higher smoking rates among people experiencing depression.

"Smokers may be more prone to depression than nonsmokers," said Edward Levin, Ph.D., a professor of biological psychiatry and researcher at the Duke center, who was senior investigator in the current study. "Or, people with depression may be self-medicating by smoking, albeit in a deadly way." [Unless they vape - duh.]

In the study, the researchers recruited 11 people who did not smoke but who were experiencing symptoms of depression. Participants were randomly assigned to wear either a nicotine patch or a placebo patch that did not contain any nicotine. The researchers used a standardized method, a 20-item questionaire called the Center for Epidemiological Studies Depression scale, to measure depression symptoms among the study participants.

"Despite the small number of participants, this is the largest study of its kind," McClernon said.

The team found that participants who wore the nicotine patch for at least eight days experienced a significant decline in their depression-assessment rating scores. McClernon said this finding indicates that the drug led to an improvement in depression symptoms.

As a possible explanation for how nicotine exerts its beneficial effect, McClernon said: "The same areas of the brain that are stimulated by nicotine appear to be involved in the regulation of mood."

Nicotine stimulates the release of specific neurotransmitters, including serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine, which carry messages between nerves cells. Depression has been linked to chemical imbalances of these neurotransmitters, McClernon said.

Looking ahead to possible therapeutic uses of nicotine for treating depression, the researchers say the nicotine molecule can be manipulated to remove its addictive effect while maintaining its ability to increase levels of the various brain chemicals that can alter mood. Currently, pharmaceutical companies are developing nicotinelike drugs that target chemical imbalances in the brain that are thought to cause anxiety, schizophrenia, =====> attention deficient hyperactivity disorder <======, Alzheimer's disease and Parkinson's disease.

The study also suggests that people prone to depression may need extra help in order to quit smoking, such as nicotine replacement therapy, the scientists said.

Despite the positive effects of nicotine discovered in their study, the researchers emphasize that it is not currently appropriate for treatment of any medical disorder outside of nicotine dependence. [Why the hell not?]

"I certainly recommend that people don't smoke," Levin said. "If you do smoke, quit." [And vape instead, so you don't jump off a bridge].

Other researchers participating in the study included F. Berry Hiott, Eric C. Westman and Jed E. Rose.


Nicotine Lessens Symptoms of Depression in Nonsmokers - DukeHealth.org



Research spurs new views of nicotine, ACP Observer Feb 97

...... But researchers continue to uncover new information about the nature of nicotine's bonds to the human brain. For example, they have been able to substantiate some of the claims made by smokers. "Smoking decreases anxiety," explained Joanna Fowler, PhD, a senior chemist at Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, N.Y. "Some people think it improves cognition."

But as she is quick to add, "The problem is, the smoke contains carbon monoxide and carcinogens." [Vapor does not]. Within hours of quitting, for example, smokers commonly experience powerful withdrawal symptoms that include anxiety, anger, difficulty concentrating, insomnia and irritability. Researchers have traced a vast network of reactions that include an increase in the expression of nicotine receptors in the brain, changes in the way the brain metabolizes glucose, changes in the brain's electroencephalographic patterns and changes in the level of neurotransmitters such as dopamine.

Some surprises

Despite the clear health risks that smoking poses [but vaping does not], the effects of nicotine itself on the brain may not be all bad. Young people with attention deficit hyperactive disorder (ADHD), for example, a condition marked by difficulty in concentration, find some relief from smoking and tend to smoke twice as much as other people. "It's a known experimental finding that nicotine helps people focus," explained Eric C. Westman, ACP Member, an internist and medical director of the Nicotine Research Program at Duke University and Durham Veteran's Administration Medical Center. "It is assumed that nicotine helps people with ADHD."
 

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Thanks for all your responses and advice. I read the Duke Medical study, very interesting.

I am now well into vaping and needless to say it is not a cure for depression, but at least I am back to my usual stable, chronic levels instead of the acute episodes without the nicotine.

I bought the Ego-Tank with a glass atomiser built in and the advice on a manual battery on the site was fantastic. On the old ecigs I had trouble getting a draw. 30 year smokers do not have much lung pulling power left. But with the ego-t it is fantastic. I don't see it as a substitute for smoking but a hell of an advancement. I prefer it to cigarettes. For 20 years I have been trying to stop and felt guilty, inadequate and shame for smoking. I have no such feelings now and will happily vape to the end. Smoking is dirty in so many ways whilst vaping feels so clean.

Thanks once again for all the advice!!!!!!
 

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Thanks for all your responses and advice. I read the Duke Medical study, very interesting.

I am now well into vaping and needless to say it is not a cure for depression, but at least I am back to my usual stable, chronic levels instead of the acute episodes without the nicotine.

I bought the Ego-Tank with a glass atomiser built in and the advice on a manual battery on the site was fantastic. On the old ecigs I had trouble getting a draw. 30 year smokers do not have much lung pulling power left. But with the ego-t it is fantastic. I don't see it as a substitute for smoking but a hell of an advancement. I prefer it to cigarettes. For 20 years I have been trying to stop and felt guilty, inadequate and shame for smoking. I have no such feelings now and will happily vape to the end. Smoking is dirty in so many ways whilst vaping feels so clean.

Thanks once again for all the advice!!!!!!

Excellent, friend. Keep it going. Chime in every now and again to let us all know how you are.
 

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Antalp, I hear you loud and clear about the "acute episodes". Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

Between the daily 20mg of citalopram (generic for "Celexa") and the nicotine (12mg, eventual target 6mg), I am in a better frame of mind that at ANY prior time in my life. Sharp, focused, positive, empowered, and confident; seeing mostly solutions and pathways instead of problems and obstacles.

Please feel free to PM me. I can give you my phone number, and we can have a chat if you want. I don't have any official certification, but I consider myself a pretty decent "life coach". My main goals are 100% personal responsibility (no blaming), letting go of the past and living in the present to create a better future, 100% forgiveness of oneself so that one can then forgive others 100%, total non-judgment of others, and looking at the "good" while keeping the "bad" in proper perspective. "Good" and "bad" are in quotes because things are what they are, and then we attach labels to them. But labels are subjective, and rarely, if ever, create reality.

So vape on, peace out, and call me if you need me.

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I am 51 days cig free today. I have smoked 1.5 packs a day for the last 33 years.Last spring I quit cold turkey.I was in a daze for about 7 days and then got over the nicotene withdraw, or so I thought. The first 45 days was'nt so bad. I still craved a smoke but I just fought it off.Then about 45 days in I started noticing that I was less energentic and enthoused about alot of things. I never made the connection that I might be depressed because I quit smoking.My girlfriend at the time actually noticed before I did.I finally picked back up after 90 days.
In April of this year I talked to my Dr about quitting. She prescribed me Wellbutrin, and said that it worked for a lot of people. I took it for a month prior to quitting June 1. I can honestly say that during the whole time I never felt a decrease in cravings or desire to smoke.What I did see was that I seemed to be more on a even keel mood wise. I am still taking it just for that reason. As far as smoking, I have been vaping since day one and have not had any problems cravingwise or any deppression. I currently am vaping 24mg and have tried some of the WTA juices.At first I really didnt notice a differance but now I can tell that after vaping some I feel more satisified. I would recomend trying some. Just hang in there and keep on Vaping!
 

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I am 51 days cig free today. I have smoked 1.5 packs a day for the last 33 years.Last spring I quit cold turkey.I was in a daze for about 7 days and then got over the nicotene withdraw, or so I thought. The first 45 days was'nt so bad. I still craved a smoke but I just fought it off.Then about 45 days in I started noticing that I was less energentic and enthoused about alot of things. I never made the connection that I might be depressed because I quit smoking.My girlfriend at the time actually noticed before I did.I finally picked back up after 90 days.
In April of this year I talked to my Dr about quitting. She prescribed me Wellbutrin, and said that it worked for a lot of people. I took it for a month prior to quitting June 1. I can honestly say that during the whole time I never felt a decrease in cravings or desire to smoke.What I did see was that I seemed to be more on a even keel mood wise. I am still taking it just for that reason. As far as smoking, I have been vaping since day one and have not had any problems cravingwise or any deppression. I currently am vaping 24mg and have tried some of the WTA juices.At first I really didnt notice a differance but now I can tell that after vaping some I feel more satisified. I would recomend trying some. Just hang in there and keep on Vaping!

Are you a menthol type? If not, try a sample of Want2Vape juices at 11mg. 'Nuff said. :2cool:
 

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I just started vaping after quitting cigarettes 30 years ago. I don't know if this was wise on my part, but I figure that at age 65, I can allow myself some indiscretions.

You quit 30 years ago? Nice. I smoked for 34 of my current years. Quit 5 months ago due to this phenomenon. You've definitely come to the right place. ECF is the one-stop-shop as far as info.
 
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I don't care for menthol, just regular Tobacco flavors.I do have some samples on on order from Want2Vape, 24 mg

No looking back now. Try the Vapenstein line for sure. That stuff is downright outright in your face. Also try the Heather's Heavenly Vapes tobacco stuff. I used to vape 24 and had to cut that down in half. Still a great satisfying vape to me. The extracted tobaccos are for sure the way to go.
 

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Oh, I forgot that I ordered a bottle of Vapenstiens Paris juice 24mg. Really looking forward to see if it really tastes like an analog.

No disappointment here. London is also very good. You WILL be ordering more. You need to tone down the nic though. Just a suggestion, but that's just me.
 

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I read that some people have mentioned WTA so as a WTA head I thought I'd chime in.

For the first month after I quit I was still craving something else, and that something else was the relaxation that smoking provided as well as the mood elevation that I wasn't getting from vaping regular juice. So I tried WTA and loved it. I now mix 1/3 of that with 2/3 non WTA and it takes care of everything that was missing from smoking. I have no desire to smoke at all and in fact this mix is way better.

Nature provides more in cigarettes than just nicotine, and while most of the things aren't anything you want, the minor alkaloids that whole tobacco alkaloid tobacco gives you make the experience much more pleasant. Nicotine itself is an alkaloid but on its own it's a stimulant and not a particularly pleasant one, which is why people struggle so much with the gums, patches, inhalers, and such.

I tried the inhaler a while back and didn't like it, I felt that I needed to smoke even more to calm down from that crap. So when I switched to vaping the regular juice was better but I still felt the need to calm down. I tried various supplements which helped but not enough. WTA did the trick from the very first vape and I knew I had found exactly what I was looking for.

The experience is on the subtle side and some people expect to be floored but this isn't like that. It's a nice addition to juice and while some people like it more than others, it's certainly worth a try if you feel you need something else, and a lot of vapers do.

I hang around a lot of smokers and I actually feel sorry for them since my mix is a lot better and they just have no idea what they are missing. It's been two and a half months since I quit, the first month was a real struggle but since then, since I got WTA from Aroma, I've made it to the other shore and have never once had the urge for anything else. So it's something that people might want to consider.

By the way, the other day someone asked me for a light when I was sitting in the smoking section outside at work, and I forgot myself for a brief moment and started to reach in my pocket like I would have done. Then I remembered that I don't smoke and don't carry lighters and had to tell him sorry, with a bit of a smile I might add :)
 

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I read that some people have mentioned WTA so as a WTA head I thought I'd chime in.

For the first month after I quit I was still craving something else, and that something else was the relaxation that smoking provided as well as the mood elevation that I wasn't getting from vaping regular juice. So I tried WTA and loved it. I now mix 1/3 of that with 2/3 non WTA and it takes care of everything that was missing from smoking. I have no desire to smoke at all and in fact this mix is way better.

Nature provides more in cigarettes than just nicotine, and while most of the things aren't anything you want, the minor alkaloids that whole tobacco alkaloid tobacco gives you make the experience much more pleasant. Nicotine itself is an alkaloid but on its own it's a stimulant and not a particularly pleasant one, which is why people struggle so much with the gums, patches, inhalers, and such.

I tried the inhaler a while back and didn't like it, I felt that I needed to smoke even more to calm down from that crap. So when I switched to vaping the regular juice was better but I still felt the need to calm down. I tried various supplements which helped but not enough. WTA did the trick from the very first vape and I knew I had found exactly what I was looking for.

The experience is on the subtle side and some people expect to be floored but this isn't like that. It's a nice addition to juice and while some people like it more than others, it's certainly worth a try if you feel you need something else, and a lot of vapers do.

I hang around a lot of smokers and I actually feel sorry for them since my mix is a lot better and they just have no idea what they are missing. It's been two and a half months since I quit, the first month was a real struggle but since then, since I got WTA from Aroma, I've made it to the other shore and have never once had the urge for anything else. So it's something that people might want to consider.

By the way, the other day someone asked me for a light when I was sitting in the smoking section outside at work, and I forgot myself for a brief moment and started to reach in my pocket like I would have done. Then I remembered that I don't smoke and don't carry lighters and had to tell him sorry, with a bit of a smile I might add :)

Nice, man. I whole-heartedly agree. The only way to go. It's actually unbelievable if you pick the right vendors. I was smacked in the face. Too good.

You don't carry a lighter for old times sake? For shame...

Just kidding. I carry my vendor's business cards instead.
 

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I read that some people have mentioned WTA so as a WTA head I thought I'd chime in.

For the first month after I quit I was still craving something else, and that something else was the relaxation that smoking provided as well as the mood elevation that I wasn't getting from vaping regular juice. So I tried WTA and loved it. I now mix 1/3 of that with 2/3 non WTA and it takes care of everything that was missing from smoking. I have no desire to smoke at all and in fact this mix is way better.

Nature provides more in cigarettes than just nicotine, and while most of the things aren't anything you want, the minor alkaloids that whole tobacco alkaloid tobacco gives you make the experience much more pleasant. Nicotine itself is an alkaloid but on its own it's a stimulant and not a particularly pleasant one, which is why people struggle so much with the gums, patches, inhalers, and such.

I tried the inhaler a while back and didn't like it, I felt that I needed to smoke even more to calm down from that crap. So when I switched to vaping the regular juice was better but I still felt the need to calm down. I tried various supplements which helped but not enough. WTA did the trick from the very first vape and I knew I had found exactly what I was looking for.

The experience is on the subtle side and some people expect to be floored but this isn't like that. It's a nice addition to juice and while some people like it more than others, it's certainly worth a try if you feel you need something else, and a lot of vapers do.

I hang around a lot of smokers and I actually feel sorry for them since my mix is a lot better and they just have no idea what they are missing. It's been two and a half months since I quit, the first month was a real struggle but since then, since I got WTA from Aroma, I've made it to the other shore and have never once had the urge for anything else. So it's something that people might want to consider.

By the way, the other day someone asked me for a light when I was sitting in the smoking section outside at work, and I forgot myself for a brief moment and started to reach in my pocket like I would have done. Then I remembered that I don't smoke and don't carry lighters and had to tell him sorry, with a bit of a smile I might add :)

EPIC POST!

The "ring of truth", well-written. The grammar and phrasing speak volumes. I tells me that someone who writes that well and clearly also obviously thinks well and clearly.

I am keenly interested in what goes on at the molecular level, no matter what the subject. The human brain is a fascinating organ, and vaping is on the cutting edge in a near-revolution in the fields of psychology, psychiatry, and neuroscience. I am thrilled to be a part of it, and thrilled that I am enjoying the proven medical benefits of nicotine absent most of the harmful contents and effects of tobacco smoke.

I will look VERY closely at WTA's, and am very much looking forward to seeing what they can do for me and others. I might eventually be willing and able to wean myself off of my current SSRI. Right now, I have too many critical things going on to risk "upsetting the apple cart", but after I have saved the world from the ravages of unresolved anger and lack of resolve to forgive unconditionally, I'll give it a shot.
 

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EPIC POST!

The "ring of truth", well-written. The grammar and phrasing speak volumes. I tells me that someone who writes that well and clearly also obviously thinks well and clearly.

I am keenly interested in what goes on at the molecular level, no matter what the subject. The human brain is a fascinating organ, and vaping is on the cutting edge in a near-revolution in the fields of psychology, psychiatry, and neuroscience. I am thrilled to be a part of it, and thrilled that I am enjoying the proven medical benefits of nicotine absent most of the harmful contents and effects of tobacco smoke.

I will look VERY closely at WTA's, and am very much looking forward to seeing what they can do for me and others. I might eventually be willing and able to wean myself off of my current SSRI. Right now, I have too many critical things going on to risk "upsetting the apple cart", but after I have saved the world from the ravages of unresolved anger and lack of resolve to forgive unconditionally, I'll give it a shot.

want2vape and Heathers Heavenly Vapes. Superb. Still messing with this stuff, but the best I've vaped so far. Still groping.
 
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