Nicotine Candy- Why is the FDA not all over R.J. Reynolds?
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Star Scientific products should "fly". Ariva was introduced to mass market in 2002; Stonewall in 2004 -- both are thus "grandfathered" into legality. I used both for awhile and went to all-Stonewall soon after it went on sale. Ariva is 1.5mg of nicotine per piece; Stonewall is 4mg per piece.
I certainly hope it "flies"! What's your problem? All harm reduction products, dissolvables included, need to be available to those wanting to quit cigarette smoking. I endorse e-smoking as an alternative, but also snus, dissolvables and nasal snuff. In fact, as I've said before, my main nicotine comes from snus, not vapor. But I want them all, to pick and choose as needed.
I certainly hope it "flies"! What's your problem? All harm reduction products, dissolvables included, need to be available to those wanting to quit cigarette smoking. I endorse e-smoking as an alternative, but also snus, dissolvables and nasal snuff. In fact, as I've said before, my main nicotine comes from snus, not vapor. But I want them all, to pick and choose as needed.
Hey Bob, I'm interested in getting some Stonewall to try on my next US visit. Are they available pretty much everywhere that sells cigs? I'll be in NYC, DC and for DC staying in Arlington VA.
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A number of tobacco stores sell them in-store. I got my city's store to stock them about four years ago, and they've really started selling well with smokers abandoning newly expensive cigarettes en masse. They can also be ordered online, although I haven't had to do that. Tasty items ...
P.S. I know they are not sold outside the U.S. Sorry 'bout that.
P.S. I know they are not sold outside the U.S. Sorry 'bout that.
Really? They are already selling them in stores, next to the candy? I though this was a dry test run or something, I did not know they are already in retail locations. Thats ridiculous.
This has been brought up before but I thought it was a good place to do it again.
FDA regulates tobacco
I'm hoping Reynolds wins and is able to keep all there reduced harm products on the market.
Delite. You may want to get up to speed on this before spouting off nonsense replies. They are not sold in the candy section. That's pure propaganda. They're sold along with all the other tobacco products.
FDA regulates tobacco
I'm hoping Reynolds wins and is able to keep all there reduced harm products on the market.
Delite. You may want to get up to speed on this before spouting off nonsense replies. They are not sold in the candy section. That's pure propaganda. They're sold along with all the other tobacco products.
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Portland was a test market for these and I picked up a free sample of the "Mellow" flavor orbs. Tastes kinda like spent cigarette butts soaked in molasses 
REALLY! Later I went back to the same market and asked how they were selling. The clerk said they can't give 'em away because they taste so awful.
REALLY! Later I went back to the same market and asked how they were selling. The clerk said they can't give 'em away because they taste so awful.Well when you watch the video, they are clearly in next to the gum and candy. I have never seen them in retail locations, so I can only go off what the video has provided me with facts.
For anyone that wants to write to Good Housekeeping magazine about that video, the "letters to the editor" email addy is GHletters@goodhousekeeping.com
And, not to hijack thread, but if youre going to write, there's also this article you might want to write about Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act - Goodhousekeeping.com - How GH applauds Pres. Obama for signing the Tobacco Control Act and that making cigarettes less addictive is a good thing. Um, if you do that, people smoke more and then increase their risk of cancer, emphasyma(sp?), etc.
And, not to hijack thread, but if youre going to write, there's also this article you might want to write about Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act - Goodhousekeeping.com - How GH applauds Pres. Obama for signing the Tobacco Control Act and that making cigarettes less addictive is a good thing. Um, if you do that, people smoke more and then increase their risk of cancer, emphasyma(sp?), etc.
I will try and explain. The video is a lie. Camel Orbs are not sold in the candy department. They are sold along with other tobacco products. It's part of a larger propaganda campaign against tobacco and anything related to it. This includes reduced harm products like camel orbs.
Good Housekeeping is trying to portray orbs as nicotine candy that is being targeting at kids. Lying is okay with them. It's all for the greater good. SAVE THE CHILDREN. The same techniques are used against e-cigs.
Sen. Richard Burr, and others, said in the televised Senate hearings on Waxman/Kennedy that a CNN producer had the Orbs placed with the candy so it would make a better shot. No retailer, he thundered to the Senate, would so such a thing and it is shameful that CNN felt the need to tamper with reality that way.
These are behind-the-counter, over-18 items only.
When a TV producer rearranges reality, seeing is NOT believing.
These are behind-the-counter, over-18 items only.
When a TV producer rearranges reality, seeing is NOT believing.
And it's a shame that our media can be so blatantly obvious to twist reality for pure "shock" value.....IMO, that is more damaging to our country than the trained monkeys in Washington.
Journalism and the media have lost their way - they've far more in common now with Hollywood - setting the stage to manipulate public opinion rather than inform based on facts.
And OT here - are the orbs widely available yet - or only in select test markets?
Journalism and the media have lost their way - they've far more in common now with Hollywood - setting the stage to manipulate public opinion rather than inform based on facts.
And OT here - are the orbs widely available yet - or only in select test markets?
Another one to blame is the retailer that allowed it. Ultimately, the blame is on the media, but nonetheless..
Yay! I just wanted a try while on holiday. I have now seen a list of states that sell them as of 2006 on Wikipedia (things may have changed since then) and Virginia is on the list so that's good. If NY/NJ prove to be Stonewall-free, hopefully Arlington will deliver the goods
I agree with pretty much what everyone else has said. Looking at the video for one, there are tic tacs behind the tobacco product. Cant decide if it was done on purpose to help blend it in or poor planning.
Overall I think they forget a major factor in the reason for alternatives to cigarettes in teens(fyi this is my OPINION not based on any studies). But I will give the example of when I went to boarding school for my senior year of high school about 10 years ago. Very few people took up smoking that were there. The majority that smoked and also used alternatives such as dip, already smoked. I think the same logic can be applied to regular high school students. Does anyone really see students in high school that dont already smoke running out to try this product in mass? I dont think so. Do I think people who smoke and dont want to do something else while in school will use this product? Most likely yes because it is easier to conceal. But as I said above, that product already exists, its called dip. Not as convent as little mint sized items, but at least those will not tear up your gums.
I might get some flack for this statement, but lets say hypothetically if a 10 year old mistook those for mints and had one. Does that mean they are automatically addicted and know its because of what they just ate? Are they going to die? Sorry if I missed it in someones post, I read them all but I dont even see in the video or anyone mentioning how much nicotine is even in one of those mints.
Finally, again the fact that they moved the product there, I mean that is just total BS. Can anyone quote a law that it is illegal to put those within reach? I do not know of one, but I can only think of a handful of places that even had anything within consumers reach relating to tobacco(at places like a conbini or gas station) and that would be mini cigars. So would those even be allowed to be placed there? The only other reason I can think of why not placed at consumer level is because of theft.
Overall I think they forget a major factor in the reason for alternatives to cigarettes in teens(fyi this is my OPINION not based on any studies). But I will give the example of when I went to boarding school for my senior year of high school about 10 years ago. Very few people took up smoking that were there. The majority that smoked and also used alternatives such as dip, already smoked. I think the same logic can be applied to regular high school students. Does anyone really see students in high school that dont already smoke running out to try this product in mass? I dont think so. Do I think people who smoke and dont want to do something else while in school will use this product? Most likely yes because it is easier to conceal. But as I said above, that product already exists, its called dip. Not as convent as little mint sized items, but at least those will not tear up your gums.
I might get some flack for this statement, but lets say hypothetically if a 10 year old mistook those for mints and had one. Does that mean they are automatically addicted and know its because of what they just ate? Are they going to die? Sorry if I missed it in someones post, I read them all but I dont even see in the video or anyone mentioning how much nicotine is even in one of those mints.
Finally, again the fact that they moved the product there, I mean that is just total BS. Can anyone quote a law that it is illegal to put those within reach? I do not know of one, but I can only think of a handful of places that even had anything within consumers reach relating to tobacco(at places like a conbini or gas station) and that would be mini cigars. So would those even be allowed to be placed there? The only other reason I can think of why not placed at consumer level is because of theft.
this is an older document (dated dec 31, 2004) but here's a list of states that prohibit self-serve tobacco displays (in other words, must be behind the counter) http://www.scld-nci.net/Data/self_service_12_31_04.pdf
Thank you for that link. I will keep looking for an updated one tomorrow. I was actually expecting more states than that in 05. I checked their site via searching and that is the newest one I saw. I assume more have been added since then. It might also not so much be state but county level which they do not track nor for taxes either which makes that tax info fairly useless(similar to other documents I have read) at least in Chicago where we have county and city taxing us highly.
None the less thank you.
None the less thank you.
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