Nicotine Comparisons

[nostradadus]

For what it's worth.....

I contacted Heartland Vapes about the source of their nicotine. They said they would not disclose their source.

Then, I had a conversation a few days later with Tom Schrier, VP of sales with Alchem/NicSelect (TX); he confirmed that Heartland Vapes does not buy their nicotine through Alchem/NicSelect.

 

[mhertz]

Thanks alot nostradadus for conclusively clearing this up mate! They have though before i'm sure, as they used alchem batchnumbers, and can be seen from the picture of the bottle onsite with there magnifier, but that bottle was several years old, and so that's then the reasoning for the new batchnumber types...

@All, I sincerely apologize for posting wrong information to you...

Edit: This was posted by nicotine_river 3 days ago at ELR forum:

Good afternoon guys and gals! Just a heads up, Heartland 100% does not sell NicSelect nicotine and are very uncomfortable divulging who they do use for obvious reasons. They are either using a Chinese nicotine based out of Schenzen, China or BGP Healthcare Nicotine. Reddit is a tough group of people to keep happy sometimes and alot of things get skewed in there. I personally try my hardest to go above and beyond to help anyone who has issues with us. We will always be around in this group to service everyone we can with as much information as possible

 

[JeremyR]

I'm torn on what to do and when to do it...

I have about 7 years worth stored right now. 3 different brands. RTS/MFS/WL. I honestly can't tell much of a difference between any of them (MFS is the most peppery but I like it though it's circa 2013 so I'm sure they've changed since). I'm not very picky and neither are the other 4 people I mix for. Only 1 of my liters is 100% VG. I'm thinking that I should go VG with my final order because it will need to last the longest and awesome Kurt believes VG will last the longest. Who to buy from is a little more complicated.

Part of me wants to go the easy route and just buy Nude Armor because I can just pop it in the freezer as is. But $160/liter is a lot more expensive than most everybody else. VT doesn't have TH online anymore so I'm not sure about that. Heartland seems like a great deal @ $45/liter. I've never bought Heartland though. I assume it as good as everyone else and will store as well as everyone else but I really don't want to make a mistake on this order. It's too important.

Any input on the smartest way to go? I think I only need 2-3 more liters tops and that will cover me and 3 other people for 15 years+.

Hey bob, RTS again?

Its always been a stable nic for me. Little change after a year on the shelf compared to others_ especially wl and mfs, they both darkened and the wl got funky.. This was last year so the nic was like 2014 era.

Rts seems to be very consistent batch to batch through the years. To be honest If i had to be sure i got what i expected it would be rts. Ive gotten too much variation with others. I like the nic select right now, but it does seem to vary with each order and vendor... Just my opinion..

 

[mhertz]

There was once speculated that RTS uses china nic because the COA they disclosed was obviously the same COA type as J&G Biotechnology, with the same fields and spelling-errors, but they stated it was just properly the same analysis-company that J&G and RTS used as RTS has changed to an indian analysis-company... I don't know, but sounds strange too me... I'm sitting on some J&G nic right now which is pretty good, but slight peppery...

 

[JeremyR]

Doesnt matter to me where it comes from. Its consistent and well balanced not too much th but more than some others.

On the same token i haven't ordered any this year yet to see if its still consistent.

 

[mhertz]

Neither to me... Sorry wasen't ment to say RTS nic is bad... I like my J&G china nic better than my chemnovatic and nicselect, as it's without the off-taste I hate, just like my nicobrand...

 

[JeremyR]

Cool. It's just the one brand, thats not super expensive, that I have rarely heard any varying reports on over time.

 

[nicnik]

Nude Armor V3 - Nude Nicotine

While our armor v1 and v2 focused on bottling innovations, ARMOR v3 brings a new focus to solution integrity. Rather than focusing our energy on bullet proof packaging and user friendly access, ARMOR v3 shifts our attention towards maintaining a solution free of oxidized nicotine, regardless of container specs and handling. ARMOR v3 incorporates one of our newest additives, ascorbic acid, whose anti-oxidative properties allow for the reduction of free radicals in solution. Thus, slowing the oxidation of your active ingredient – nicotine – without affecting the taste of your finished product!

I hope it doesn't change the throat hit to something more like the nicotine in PaxLabs Juul, in which they lower the PH by adding benzoic acid. Maybe only a tiny amount of ascorbic acid added, and so hopefully, it won't change the PH much and won't change the feel.

Intersting to note that in my experience, the Juul nicotine degrades much more quickly than any other nic I've had, either in flavored or unflavored. (ETA - maybe on account the packaged sealing of the pods containing the juice, allows too much air in.)

I'll stick with V1 or V2, for now, just in case I don't like the TH.

 

[mhertz]

... Just wanted to say that I apologize again for previous wrong info(sorry!). I've previously stated inawera uses chemnovatic nic, as that's what I heard from Jimi, and they are both living in same city so it seemed to make sence... However, from an inawera nic COA I began to see resemblance with nicobrand on some things and after googling 'inawera+nicobrand' I found a small pretty unknown ukrainian inawera-group vendor(forecig.com) surpricingly naming there nic-source directly i.e. Nicobrand UK nic, so again, sorry about that... Also DOW for PG and VG is germany-produced...

 

[WillyZee]

Chemnovatic nicotine rocks ... love the stuff.


Sent via iPhone

 

[mhertz]

I'm speculating that chemnovatic(VT) is nicobrand and alchem nicselect based on batch. My reasoning is this: Jimi mailed marcelina from inawerashop.com(now molinshop.com) after they announced they would stop selling inawera nic and flavors, and he asked that he loved the inawera nic and was sad to see it not be available from inawerashop.com. Marcelina replied to him that inawera nic and chemnovatic nic(which they changed too) was the same nic. Btw, marcelina is married to one of the two owners of chemnovatic. VT used to state UK sourced nic for the chemnovatic nic, and so that is why marcelina stated it was the same nic, not because inawera uses chemnovatic but because both use nicobrand UK nic. Also jimi states inawera and chemnovatic nic taste the same. I don't like the taste of chemnovatic nic of the batches i've tried and jimi which has talked to kevin(and been early VT nic tester for kevin), states chemnovatic uses UK and indian nic depending on batch. Hence, the indian nic i'm strongly guessing is alchem nicselect, since both have the exact same off-taste to me...

Note, everything above is guesswork and unconfirmed...

 

[Bob Chill]

Hey bob, RTS again?

Its always been a stable nic for me. Little change after a year on the shelf compared to others_ especially wl and mfs, they both darkened and the wl got funky.. This was last year so the nic was like 2014 era.

Rts seems to be very consistent batch to batch through the years. To be honest If i had to be sure i got what i expected it would be rts. Ive gotten too much variation with others. I like the nic select right now, but it does seem to vary with each order and vendor... Just my opinion..

I'm leaning towards a $200 gallon of Nic River (nicselect). That would be my final nic purchase. I'm going to order a small bottle first so I can vape it unflavored and make sure. I honestly have never bought nic I didn't like. I'm just not that picky and they've all been good.

My RTS is circa 2013 so I would have to order a small bottle from them before buying anything in quantity either way.

I've been on a bit of a buying spree lately...pico's/kayfuns/wire/coil jigs and a bunch of other stuff is leaving china and bound for my house soon. Part of the reason I'm leaning towards nicriver is the cost.

OTOH- I talked to my best friend and his wife yesterday...they are good with putting up a chunk of change for nude armor so...

 

[Shilo]

I want a nic that is not pink, odorless and not peppery or aftertaste. I currently use WL Ice which is no longer sold. If there is a reply in this thread that rates the types of nic available in the last 3 years since I haven't bought in awhile that would be great. The last nic I bought to sample had a pinkish hue which I was not crazy about the color. I have heard that pink is considered normal but that must be the new normal...lol

 

[mhertz]

... I remember an issue with inawera some years ago on there forum where they tested several VGs(german, deutch and swedish, I believe) and some made the base pink and others not, with same good nic... I don't believe it's nic oxidation, as nic-oxides aren't pink I believe.. Kurt once stated that he wasen't sure what the "issue" was, but he suspected some type of chemical reaction(not oxidation), as some flavors do the same(vanilla I believe)... It's addresed in the VPlive episode where kurt is guest also I believe(the episode about DIY and safety e.g. Danny frequently posts links to for noobs)... Vts nic also was sometimes pink'ish I remember, and Kevin stated it was normal(I think he also said it was the VG "reaction"). PG nic is, if ever, very rarely pink btw...

 

[Semiretired]

If I received pink nic - I would have to question - Why??? What was done to make it like that?

 

[Capt.shay]

JMHO

A lot like life, pink is good, yellow, not so much.

 

[mhertz]

OK, you guys made me find that vplive youtube video and jump through it until the issue was brought up... Kurt states that he's not fully sure, but he's theorizing that when nic-oxides form, then the color of said molecule can easily be affected by other molecules in the solution. Kurt uses more descriptive wording(permanent charges on the nic-oxide molecules etc) and to hear it directly without my interpretation, then it's 1:12:30 in the following video:

 

[Semiretired]

Thanks for the video. Just what I said (at least to me) - pink is not normal so why... Oxidation - yellow/brown I understand - I let in to much air / light, but pink to me means something else is in there also...

 

[Semiretired]

A short story - while not planning to do so - I stored 125ml of 60mg nic in a non refrigerated environment for over two years. It had been protected from light during that time frame though. It had turned a very light brown and was in my opinion a little peppery, but still vapeable...

 

[mhertz]

The "something else" in there is simply USP VG, nothing else(maybe distilled water)... And yes, it's pretty normal(nic-oxides reacting with other molecules in the VG making the yellow/brown color change to pink)... Kurt states the same happens often with vanillin(color-change-reaction-to-pink)...