Nicotine Comparisons

[mhertz]

Caution with the analogies. We don't premix bleach because it doesn't stay viable as a disinfectant very long. 20 min usually. I know this from working with animals. Bleach and nic aren't comparable.[...]

Sorry

[...] NN has a post on their website about higher level of base : lower mg nic slowing oxidation down. I'm not sure I agree or it makes much difference, it just supported what I was already doing. That's always nice.

I'm no expert, but for me, logically, it seems that higher nic brings less oxidation in total(percentage-wise)... I mean, it's the O2 in headspace and disolved in VG that is reacting with the nic(oxidation) and so not only are there the same amount of O2 in lower nic to react, but probably more because of more VG in total, so lets say there's O2 in headspace and disolved in VG to oxidize 8mg nic from a 50ml bottle, then in my mind(guess ) that is 8 mg taken from the bottle if it was 100mg/ml, and still 8mg(or probably more because of more VG in a lower mg bottle) taken from a lower mg nic 50ml bottle, so ditracting 8mg from 100mg/ml would mean less total amount lost because of oxidation than the lower nic, though granted they are both neglible in this example, but still it seems like a higher percentage nic is oxidized from the lower nic i'm guessing, even though in oxidized mg it's the same(or more in lower mg because of more VG)... I learned this from alien Traveler if I remember right, and please excuse me if my reasoning is wrong or faulty somewhere...

Cost is the main consideration. I paid $50 from MFS for a liter of 100mg. A liter of 24mg is $30. I can make 4 liters of 25mg from a liter of 100mg, making the cost of a 25mg liter only $12.50 if I create it from the liter of 100mg.

OTOH, if you vape low range nic, like 3mg, a 250ml bottle will last about 2 years vaping 10ml a day. You keep smaller amounts around the house and still save a lot of money over store bought juice.

Indeed, very good point, totally forgot stating it's number one benefit,lol...

 

[JeremyR]

Never heard of this yet!

I'd love to read the source of this info and be able to pass this along in other places; good to know info! Link?

I call it an antidote... A well know home remedy. I had researched when I first started vaping because I had a baby in the house and my 5th day I got the draw down real good and got sick as a dog off 18mg at work.

The sugar accelerates the detox of nic and that's the fastest treatment you can give then proceed with medical attention if needed.

I originally found it in cigar forums, its well know in those circles. Also many others here's a Google search. Smoking a cigar can get you really nic sick if your not experienced or careful.. The old turning Green thing.. People typically dont die though..

If you happen to get more than 10% nic, like 25%, then you start to carry much more risk.

 

[Boxster]

Sorry

I'm no expert, but for me, logically, it seems that higher nic brings less oxidation in total(percentage-wise)... I mean, it's the O2 in headspace and disolved in VG that is reacting with the nic(oxidation) and so not only are there the same amount of O2 in lower nic to react, but probably more because of more VG in total, so lets say there's O2 in headspace and disolved in VG to oxidize 8mg nic from a 50ml bottle, then in my mind(guess ) that is 8 mg taken from the bottle if it was 100mg/ml, and still 8mg(or probably more because of more VG in a lower mg bottle) taken from a lower mg nic 50ml bottle, so ditracting 8mg from 100mg/ml would mean less total amount lost because of oxidation than the lower nic, though granted they are both neglible in this example, but still it seems like a higher percentage nic is oxidized from the lower nic i'm guessing, even though in oxidized mg it's the same(or more in lower mg because of more VG)... I learned this from Alien Traveler if I remember right, and please excuse me if my reasoning is wrong or faulty somewhere...


Indeed, very good point, totally forgot stating it's number one benefit,lol...

You could use an Accordion Luer Lock bottle to remove the head space in your working nicotine dispenser.

Accordion Bottle and Luer Lock Insert Kit

 

[Jingles]

After five years of vaping, I just ordered my 1st Liter of Nic. I went with NicSelect from Nicotine River since that is what Ahlusion uses and it isn't as pricey as Nude Nicotine or RTS. It feels good to have an insurance policy even if it is a year or two before I need it!

 

[MMW]

Hey all! I was ordering from Vape Clarity for a bit, just went to order another liter and it looks like they are only selling 3mg and 6mg now.

Wonder if they are getting out of the game?

 

[nostradadus]

getting out of the game?

Yeah, I noticed that as well. It's shipped in from Singapore. Perhaps there has been a hold up somewhere along the line. Or maybe they're down to using a single man paddle boat to drag the shipping container across the Pacific?

Good stuff though. I'd buy it today if they had 100mg/ml in stock.

 

[chanelvaps]

After five years of vaping, I just ordered my 1st Liter of Nic. I went with NicSelect from Nicotine River since that is what Ahlusion uses and it isn't as pricey as Nude Nicotine or RTS. It feels good to have an insurance policy even if it is a year or two before I need it!

WTG Jingles! I will keep buying Ahl as long as I can but I feel good having my two liters, one of Nude and one of NicSelect

 

[chanelvaps]

After five years of vaping, I just ordered my 1st Liter of Nic. I went with NicSelect from Nicotine River since that is what Ahlusion uses and it isn't as pricey as Nude Nicotine or RTS. It feels good to have an insurance policy even if it is a year or two before I need it!

Be sure and transfer it to bottles and freeze it.

 

[DJLEC]

I wish to thank everyone in this Thread for your advice. I went for NN and Vapertek EU.

I have a newbie question on transferring it since I have never handled this before. I will transfer 120 ML of the Vapertek into 30 ML Euro Dropper Bottles.

NN Armor V2 will go directly in the Freezer.

Do you Syringe, use a Yorker type spout, and or carefully pour?

I will use a baking sheet underneath by the sink while wearing the appropriate safety gear.


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[Capt.shay]

I use a funnel.

 

[MMW]

I use a funnel.

 

[puffon]

I use a small funnel also.
The ones with a "rib" down the side will prevent "air lock".
If not use a piece of wire hung off bottle opening.

 

[Bob Chill]

I wish to thank everyone in this Thread for your advice. I went for NN and Vapertek EU.

I have a newbie question on transferring it since I have never handled this before. I will transfer 120 ML of the Vapertek into 30 ML Euro Dropper Bottles.

NN Armor V2 will go directly in the Freezer.

Do you Syringe, use a Yorker type spout, and or carefully pour?

I will use a baking sheet underneath by the sink while wearing the appropriate safety gear.


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I used to use funnels but have switched over to one of these. I have a 16oz one that my wife bought at Michaels.

Squeeze Bottle - 12 oz. - 81-7 | Country Kitchen SweetArt

Nice wide mouth so you just pour straight from the liter then squeeze it into the 120's. Excellent control. The second you release pressure the nic base gets sucked back into the bottle. You can slow dribble to fill the neck of the bottle. I'll never do it any other way now. Super easy and never any drips or dribbles.

 

[Thayamax]

I used to use funnels but have switched over to one of these. I have a 16oz one that my wife bought at Michaels.

Squeeze Bottle - 12 oz. - 81-7 | Country Kitchen SweetArt

Nice wide mouth so you just pour straight from the liter then squeeze it into the 120's. Excellent control. The second you release pressure the nic base gets sucked back into the bottle. You can slow dribble to fill the neck of the bottle. I'll never do it any other way now. Super easy and never any drips or dribbles.

I saw your tip on another thread and thought it was ingenious, so I did mine the same way. It was so easy and mess-free I can't imagine doing it any other way. Thanks!

 

[chanelvaps]

I thought I asked this but guess not. SO we are to leave 1/2 head space in the bottles before freezing right?

 

[schatz]

I thought I asked this but guess not. SO we are to leave 1/2 head space in the bottles before freezing right?

I left 1/4 in to 1/2 in space in most of mine but some I over filled with funnel and left almost none. I read that it is best to fill to shoulder of bottles wich is probably 1/2 in on a 120 ml. bottle. Hope this helps.

 

[puffon]

I leave about 1/4" in a 120ml bottle (gives you 125ml)
If you uncap it at the same room temperature, that it was bottled at, you won't get expansion.
If you bottled it in the winter when the liquid is say 65deg, then opened in the summer in a 80deg environment, then you'll get expansion.

 

[SLM]

I need to get something ordered. The 8th is coming fast

 

[Jingles]

My Nicotine River order shipped today. I ordered it yesterday, so nice, quick service!

 

[Kurt]

I thought I asked this but guess not. SO we are to leave 1/2 head space in the bottles before freezing right?

Yes, about 1/2 way up where the bottle curves in to the mouth. This will protect against expansion with heat, or contraction with cold. The O2 in the headspace air is negligible. Even if it all reacts with nic it won't be more than a few mg of nic total. And the freezer will pretty much stop it anyway. 0.25 inch might be too little if the bottle gets warm and the liquid expands.

The big squeeze bottle for filling glass bottles is a good idea. I like it. Funnels are good too, but be careful with VG-nic, since it will go slowly and it's easy to overshoot and overflow the glass bottle. Been there, done that. Having a bright light on dark amber bottles helps to see the level rising.

And yes, I do wear nitrile gloves and eye protection when doing this. A spill needs to be cleaned up immediately and can get messy, and as a chemist, its just part of the ritual, and I feel naked, exposed and distracted without them. Had too many little spills and messes not to wear them. True, PG and VG slow dermal absorption compared to pure nic itself, and getting some on you and washing it off quickly will probably not have much of an effect, but if you are small and/or have very soft skin where it got on you, you could feel it even if you wash it off quickly. I don't like anecdotal stories of how people got it all over their hands and didn't feel anything. There are many people with compromised health, or are very small in size, who could well be strongly and negatively affected by skin exposure, and 100 mg nic is not water. And nic in the eye will burn a lot and go right to the brain.

The answer to the question "Should I REALLY wear gloves and eye protection?" is "Shut up and wear gloves and eye protection."

There, I said it.