Nicotine Comparisons

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dansus

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    1% benzoic with 48mg and 25% flavour is legit af fam!* ;)

    This is some strong stuff. Try 0.5% and 24mg next.

    *early days, i could yet die horribly.

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    gt_1955

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    I read your posts. Seems to me, a part of reason it works in the Juul is because the acid lowers the PH, making vaping higher nic levels acceptable rather than the inherent freebasing of the nic as seen in tobacco formulations with the addition of ammonia.

    I made a batch of 24mg with 2% citric acid and could drip it without too much drama. Gave a light headed feeling rather than a nic rush, i put this is down to citric acid releasing carbon dioxide at 175c.

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    I am astounded this works :eek:

    I made a 45mg/ml batch using the last of my 5yo nicotine (53PG47VG), and added by weight, 1% citric acid powder. Heated the bottle on the stove using a saucepan of water to mitigate localised heating until the CA powder had dissolved, cooled and then filled the ICare.

    First thing I noticed was the almost non-existent throat hit and no stinging of the mouth from the rather high nicotine content. The second was light-headedness, something I haven't experienced from vaping nic juices (WTA yes, but not nic alone). The third thing of note was I only used 1.2ml over 24 hours (rather than the 6 or 7ml of 8mg/ml in my squonker).

    As I said, astounded ... it's so smoke like ;) Does anyone have the chemical reactions sorted?
     
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    Domejunky

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    DIY nic salts is a thing.

    2% benzoic acid mixed with 72mg PG nic, heated to 55c until dissolved. Cooled, made up a batch of 36mg with 15% flavour giving a 65/35 PG/VG ratio.

    After some trial puffs and leaving it for 24hrs to see if die, i finally got up the courage to give it a proper vape. First thing you notice is there is zero harshness, its like vaping 3mg max VG.

    After about ten puffs, heart rate and breathing increased markedly. I didnt like it and was worried the acid was doing horrible things to me, so put it down and decided to mull it over.

    Anyway, today i pinched a marlborough off someone and smoked it, tasted awful, but gave me the exact same feeling as the home made salts. I never smoked premade, but maybe there is something to this salt malarkey after all.

    Ive ordered some VG nic and plan to try 1% and mix up a batch of 48mg. o_O

    I've been sniffing around ECF for years, I found this post so interesting I created an account.

    I went looking for some Benzoic acid - intriguingly, it sometimes comes paired with Salicylic acid for Eczema - although for external use rather food grade...
     

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    I went looking for some Benzoic acid - intriguingly, it sometimes comes paired with Salicylic acid for Eczema - although for external use rather food grade...
    I've been hovering over the buy button but reading up on it has put me off, despite it featuring heavily in PAX's patent filing.


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    I've been sniffing around ECF for years, I found this post so interesting I created an account.

    I went looking for some Benzoic acid - intriguingly, it sometimes comes paired with Salicylic acid for Eczema - although for external use rather food grade...
    Welcome :)
     

    gt_1955

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    I've been sniffing around ECF for years, I found this post so interesting I created an account.

    I went looking for some Benzoic acid - intriguingly, it sometimes comes paired with Salicylic acid for Eczema - although for external use rather food grade...
    Welcome mate ;)

    This is the reason I didn't use benzoic acid ... I couldn't find it locally as a powder and I had citric acid powder in the cupboard, using that previously as a flavour enhancer (albeit at a lot lower %).
     

    mikepetro

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    You can't really compare what has happened with 12mg base to what would happen with 100mg base under the same conditions. All other things being equal, the lower the nic concentration, the slower it seems to degrade. I used to store bottles of 15 mg unflavored base at room temperature as well, and noticed very little change over a period of 6-9 months. It's never really made sense to me why this is, but it definitely appears to be so.

    Hmmm, this one makes me wonder.

    I guess one theory is that it is the nicotine molecules that are changing color, so tint in a lower strength would not be as visually noticeable. Could it be that its only an optical difference, and no real difference in degradation?
     

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    Hmmm, this one makes me wonder.

    I guess one theory is that it is the nicotine molecules that are changing color, so tint in a lower strength would not be as visually noticeable. Could it be that its only an optical difference, and no real difference in degradation?


    This (from NudeNic) seems to contradict my theory:

    Few last points to cover – shelf-life varies largely by nicotine strength, as well as PG/VG ratio. Higher nicotine strengths will possess more nicotine molecules, less likely to be completely solvated by their carrier (PG/VG). Put simply – 100mg/mL formulations will keep for less time than a 24mg/mL formulation

    Although I still am not comprehending it, the "solvated" part. What if there isnt any pg or vg at all in the nic concentrate?
     
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    Case in point to the optical theory. Top mason jar is uncut nicotine, beaker on bottom is the exact same nic diluted to 100mgl with pg. Notice the difference in color, and they both came out of the same master bottle on the same day.

    Looking at the two samples, one could "think" the top nic was more degraded. But that is not the case.

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