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OK, settling on 4.5% CA at 60mg/ml as that worked out to a neutral ph.
Sampled the cold mix at this ratio and I can say that it definitely smoothed it out. The 60mg is smoother than my normal 36mg but I feel the added strength. This was just a tank full off of the ph experiment though, I need to do a full protocol to really compare.
Sampled the cold mix at this ratio and I can say that it definitely smoothed it out. The 60mg is smoother than my normal 36mg but I feel the added strength. This was just a tank full off of the ph experiment though, I need to do a full protocol to really compare.
- Control sample: 60mgl no acid
- Cold mix: 60mg with 4.5% CA just stirred
- Hot Mix: Same exact batch as above (I made a large batch and split it in half) but will cook this half in a Ultrasonic bath at 55C for 2 hours.
OK, just waiting for the Hot Mix to finish cooking:
I have a theory. Since Titration wont measure the salts, I suspect if I titrate both the hot and cold samples it should give me an idea of how much freebase got converted to salt. I already know that in the hot mix I will lose about 1.4% of the nic to heat degradation, so any difference more than this would be an additional conversion of freebase to salt attributed to the cooking. We will see if it proves out.
I can tell you one thing, it may take me a day or two to evaluate these samples, I cant vape this 60mg for very long......
I have a theory. Since Titration wont measure the salts, I suspect if I titrate both the hot and cold samples it should give me an idea of how much freebase got converted to salt. I already know that in the hot mix I will lose about 1.4% of the nic to heat degradation, so any difference more than this would be an additional conversion of freebase to salt attributed to the cooking. We will see if it proves out.
I can tell you one thing, it may take me a day or two to evaluate these samples, I cant vape this 60mg for very long......
What have i done. lol
Funnily enough, i was thinking how unsystematic i had been so far and needed to smarten my act if i was going to have any useful data.
@mikepetro Every time ive used CA, it had that VitC taste, which im not fond of. Be interested in your subjective thoughts.
Funnily enough, i was thinking how unsystematic i had been so far and needed to smarten my act if i was going to have any useful data.
@mikepetro Every time ive used CA, it had that VitC taste, which im not fond of. Be interested in your subjective thoughts.
The mix I made yesterday had 3.19g of CA dissolved in 19.92g (15.5ml) of VG, heated at approx 90C until fully dissolved. After cooling to approx 60C, I added 13.5ml of 100mg/ml PG and maintained that temperature for another 20 mins, then cooled to approx 40C and added 1.5ml of FA flavouring. Not as scientific as mike's, but reasonably accurate.
I don't taste any of the VitC taste ... I also get very little TH. More later
Some unpleasant ones, including palpitations, increased heart rate and breathing. CA gives me a sort of uplifting, light headedness, not really what im after.
A potent Benzoic mix makes me feel like im stoned, not ideal. Just the right amount of benzo/nic gives a warm feeling all over and slight buzz, i associate this with dopamine. Works for me.
I have only tried the 1st experimental Cold Mix so far, unflavored, 50/50, 60mg. Did not detect any off notes at all, in fact it was quite smooth. I do pic a nic flavor, but not any harshness. Strong nic effect, but not a buzz in a single hit, rather a strong nic buzz after several hits. So sttrong I cant vape it for long.
Tomorrow, on a fresh start, I will try all 3 side by side for flavor TH etc. And then each individually for physiological effects.
It will be interesting to see the results of your titration test 
FTPIR, I calculated that they were adding 0.235% CA for every 1mg/ml nic strength, so 60mg/ml would require 14.1% CA. I added 10.5% CA to my second mix of 45mg/ml which I calculated to match the patent. It isn't as strong a hit as the 1% CA 45mg/ml mix I first made (by observation and therefore subjective
) but that is probably because all the nic hadn't been converted to salts.
FTPIR, the Benzoic acid had a stronger nic hit than the CA at identical nic %, and required only 0.077% for every 1mg/ml nic strength. Stronger = increased heart rate and breathing
*FTPIR = From the patent I read ... US 2016/0044968 A1
FTPIR, I calculated that they were adding 0.235% CA for every 1mg/ml nic strength, so 60mg/ml would require 14.1% CA. I added 10.5% CA to my second mix of 45mg/ml which I calculated to match the patent. It isn't as strong a hit as the 1% CA 45mg/ml mix I first made (by observation and therefore subjective
) but that is probably because all the nic hadn't been converted to salts.FTPIR, the Benzoic acid had a stronger nic hit than the CA at identical nic %, and required only 0.077% for every 1mg/ml nic strength. Stronger = increased heart rate and breathing
*FTPIR = From the patent I read ... US 2016/0044968 A1
Seems to match up with their observations.I added 10.5% CA to my second mix of 45mg/ml which I calculated to match the patent. It isn't as strong a hit as the 1% CA 45mg/ml mix I first made (by observation and therefore subjective
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ROFLMAO, OK, that last blurb might as well have been Greek to me. I can conduct trials (with repeatability), but I dont speak nor comprehend that level of chem-speak.
Yep, though they did measure some parameters and I'm just relying on "feel". Now to find the CA % where it feels comfortable, but first I have ~60ml of mixed juice to use (will take awhile @ 1.2/1.5ml per day
).
Damn, now I have to pee.....
One thing I have noticed is the 10.5% CA version doesn't want to wick even though I have drilled all fluid inlets to 1.6ø in the ICare coil ... probably because of it being salt saturated. Mixing 1ml of the 10.5% CA mix with 0.5ml of the 1% CA mix has alleviated/reduced that problem, and produces *some TH without appearing to have affected the nic hit much
Haha - I have to clean my car windshield on average every few daysThis whole salting thing is getting more interesting as experiments progress. Although it is not my intent to vape at nic levels higher than 3mg it would be nice to remove any remaining harshness, throat hit or bitterness from my mixes.
I do see some advantages to vaping at higher nic levels eg 24-32mg; stealth vaping and cleaning my vehicle and house windows less frequently.
Thing is, I love chunkn dense flavorful plumes of vapor without worrying about hurling over my porch rail.
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