Nicotine Comparisons

[JeremyR]

I'm pretty sure mfs use alchem's nic(nicselect), or else they are abusing alchem's nicselect branding. I'm reffering to the nicselect branding chart that lists nicselect purities compared to usp and ep standards... They stated a long ago that they had stopped using it, after all the "rubber smell/taste" reports, but I think they have reverted back to using it again, now after the products seems more stable...

Oh, crap! I just checked there site again before posting this post, and I can see now that I was wrong about the branding! I sincerely apologize for spreading false information, or atleast I don't know if they use nicselect, but I think not...

I thought that the chart they used was the one from nicselect, since I clearly remember the e.g. 4 green vertical checkmarks, where they lists quality charasteristics, and then all the fields under which compares the purity to usp and ep standards.

However, after comparing the mfs charts closer to the nicselect official chart, then mfs dictates e.g.:

Best flavor
Unmatched purity
dependable quality
batch tested.

Whereas the nicselect uses the same vertical green checkmarks, but with the words:

Highest purity
Consistent quality
Better flavor
FDA inspected.

And then under that, all the values compared to usp/ep, and where there also are slight differences!

Again, I deeply apologize, and I remember posting this false claim in other posts also, so please disregard those older statements from me, please...

I have both and MFS is pretty tame compared to ECX's - nicselect.

 

[JeremyR]

I have VZ from 2 years ago and it's a pretty good nic.... Not sure if they are still using the same supplier/manufacturer.

The bigger question is how has thier suppliers manufacturing process changed.. I think there are few companies that still use the exact same process as they did 2 years ago..

 

[krewblink]

The bigger question is how has thier suppliers manufacturing process changed.. I think there are few companies that still use the exact same process as they did 2 years ago..

Who is the manufacturer is the real question. I say if it aint broke dont fix it. if it was good 2 years ago and still good today.. Then nothing to worry about.

 

[Exchaner]

I have both and MFS is pretty tame compared to ECX's - nicselect.

I thought someone said in the previous page that MFS and ECX are both Nicselect. Not true?

 

[mhertz]

I thought someone said in the previous page that MFS and ECX are both Nicselect. Not true?

It was me, and I apologize for the wrong info! I wrote an addendum subtracting that statement in the previous page of this thread. Ecx is nicselect, as can be seen on nicselect's site, and mfs I don't know which source there nic is from. They are using a chart very much reminisent of nicselect's chart, but some words are changed and e.g. the typical purity is listed as 99.92% whereas nicelect lists 100%+, but mfs's total impurities and unknown impurities are a little lower than the nicselect values. It would be nice to see an actual coa from mfs instead of just such "typical levels" charts, but unless they are lying, which I have no reason to think whatsoever, then there nic is a crazy pure nic also and much, much purer than usp/ep standards...

Sorry again

 

[Capt.shay]

Some one should be paying attention to the view count on this thread because I am certain there are a whole lot of other people just like me who keep checking in waiting on the Nic. review results!!!

 

[sketchness]

So just curious. I have a couple other nics I can report on.... But..... They are vg base. I guess my concern is that they wouldn't be like products as those of nics we tested. Thoughts?

I have some nicselect from nicotine river and whatever heartland vapes is selling.

 

[satchvai]

I'd like to hear your reports on them. Getting ready to order some more nic. Currently using NN but in no hurry to pay $105/liter if one of the others will do just as well. I vape at 3mg so am also curious if it makes a noticeable difference at that level.

 

[Wow1420]

So just curious. I have a couple other nics I can report on.... But..... They are vg base. I guess my concern is that they wouldn't be like products as those of nics we tested. Thoughts?

I have some nicselect from nicotine river and whatever heartland vapes is selling.

As long as you can mix them down to the same final vg/pg ratio as the others, I think it would be a fair comparison.

 

[Dixie1954]

I would like to know more about the nicotine rivers but I use 14-18mg nic. Wow1420 I did my nic mixes at 70%PG/30%VG - I did not do 50/50 as the VG gives me breathing trouble that high.

 

[Wow1420]

I would like to know more about the nicotine rivers but I use 14-18mg nic. Wow1420 I did my nic mixes at 70%PG/30%VG - I did not do 50/50 as the VG gives me breathing trouble that high.

I can see how my statement was less than completely clear. I didn't mean that all of us doing testing needed to use the same ratio, just that each of us should mix all of our own tested samples to the same ratio.

 

[sketchness]

I'd like to hear your reports on them. Getting ready to order some more nic. Currently using NN but in no hurry to pay $105/liter if one of the others will do just as well. I vape at 3mg so am also curious if it makes a noticeable difference at that level.

I have tested them both at 10mg in a dripper. But at max vg no pg added. I would just try the nicotine river if I were you. They do 60ml for $8. I think with tax and shipping I paid about $11 or so. They even upgraded me for free to 150ml. Not sure if they are still doing that.

The nicselect from nicotine river was on par with several samples. And better to me than one of the samples. For my taste buds one of the samples was better than everything else I have tried.

 

[mhertz]

So just curious. I have a couple other nics I can report on.... But..... They are vg base. I guess my concern is that they wouldn't be like products as those of nics we tested. Thoughts?

Pg or vg dosent matter.

I have some nicselect from nicotine river and whatever heartland vapes is selling.

Both is nicselect.

@All

I newer undersood the thing about the fixed ratios for the taste tests... I would say that whatever the individual tester is custom to should be used, but of course i'm not the one that dictates such matters E.g I am currently making a blind test of chemnovatic and nicselect at 3mg and on my standard 80/20 vg/water unflavored. I can so easilly taste the difference on my newly changed preference of using spaced coils and at 16 watts using lemo 1's. The nicselect has a nice dark rich tobacco note, whereas the chemnovatic is trully void of any tobacco notes whatsoever.

 

[Dixie1954]

Sorry Wow1420 my bad. I did read that wrong. And mhertz, if you can taste that at 3mg maybe I do not want to try nicselect I tend to be a super taster and I could taste the chemnovatic at 6mg in an EVOD original.

 

[r77r7r]

I newer undersood the thing about the fixed ratios for the taste tests... I would say that whatever the individual tester is custom to should be used, but of course i'm not the one that dictates such matters E.g I am currently making a blind test of chemnovatic and nicselect at 3mg and on my standard 80/20 vg/water unflavored. I can so easilly taste the difference on my newly changed preference of using spaced coils and at 16 watts using lemo 1's. The nicselect has a nice dark rich tobacco note, whereas the chemnovatic is trully void of any tobacco notes whatsoever.

TY for this. I asked others and often wondered if there was much difference in taste using different toppers. Seemed there would be. People just said " well, it's unflavored...", but I expected more.
As a longtime unflavored vaper, the taste has changed and I miss what it once was. I just never ventured out to be using too many other toppers to taste test.

 

[satchvai]

I have tested them both at 10mg in a dripper. But at max vg no pg added. I would just try the nicotine river if I were you. They do 60ml for $8. I think with tax and shipping I paid about $11 or so. They even upgraded me for free to 150ml. Not sure if they are still doing that.

The nicselect from nicotine river was on par with several samples. And better to me than one of the samples. For my taste buds one of the samples was better than everything else I have tried.

Thanks for the info.

 

[mhertz]

@r77r7r

You're welcome mate! There defenetelly is a difference in what atomizer is used even with unflavored. As you know, unflavored isn't flavorless by any means, even though many seems to think so anyways Btw, if you don't allready do it, then try out spaced coils instead of contacts... That change made a really big difference to me with regards to being able to taste the nic much better at 3mg...

@Dixie1954

Well, the tobacco taste of nicselect is really a pleasant one and imho really enjoyable, but granted I haven't tried it with any flavors, so dont know if it would go well with the more "cuter" flavor types i.e. non-tobacco's. Also, I can also taste chemnovatic at 3mg, but I just meant that it wasen't any tobacco-type flavor at all... Honestly, I detect "some" flavor, which adds some depth, and it dosen't taste like straight vg/water without nic, and I rechecked it again to be certain, after the taste tests, and compare back and forth between chemnovatic-nic/no-nic, to try if I could "describe to myself" the flavor, but I couldn't nail down what it was for a flavor, atleast not at 3mg, just some added depth, and also some sweetness taken off from the vg sweetness. Btw, the nic smelled a very slight bit of fish and then afterwards of amonia, but much lesser than the damp tobacco'y smell of the nicselect.

 

[Jimi D.]

@r77r7r

You're welcome mate! There defenetelly is a difference in what atomizer is used even with unflavored. As you know, unflavored isn't flavorless by any means, even though many seems to think so anyways Btw, if you don't allready do it, then try out spaced coils instead of contacts... That change made a really big difference to me with regards to being able to taste the nic much better at 3mg...

@Dixie1954

Well, the tobacco taste of nicselect is really a pleasant one and imho really enjoyable, but granted I haven't tried it with any flavors, so dont know if it would go well with the more "cuter" flavor types i.e. non-tobacco's. Also, I can also taste chemnovatic at 3mg, but I just meant that it wasen't any tobacco-type flavor at all... Honestly, I detect "some" flavor, which adds some depth, and it dosen't taste like straight vg/water without nic, and I rechecked it again to be certain, after the taste tests, and compare back and forth between chemnovatic-nic/no-nic, to try if I could "describe to myself" the flavor, but I couldn't nail down what it was for a flavor, atleast not at 3mg, just some added depth, and also some sweetness taken off from the vg sweetness. Btw, the nic smelled a very slight bit of fish and then afterwards of amonia, but much lesser than the damp tobacco'y smell of the nicselect.

Yeh Chemnovatic can be inconsistent. They have 2 sources. India and the UK. Sometimes there's an odor and taste. Other times it can be clean as a whistle. I'm probably going to order some Gucci nic from Totally Wicked soon. It was very clean back in 2010. I'm curios on how it tastes these days.

 

[mhertz]

Thanks for the info, mate! Btw, when you say uk, then do you actually think that it's distilled in uk? I don't know, but If they get there nic in india and uk before there own processing, then I would make a guess that it was alchem and nicobrand, as they are some of the very biggest exporters of nic in those parts I believe. Nicobrand(uk) won't disclose there source even to it's vendors, and one vendor stated that they only processed nic there, but didn't distill themselves. He was sure they used china-extracted nic, as they wouldn't tell him it when he called them for there source. It's from a reputable eu vendor btw. Not that this cannot be good, as many state Xv's nic is therefrom, but later I heard it was from india and the same as wizard's ice ? I dunno...

 

[Jimi D.]

Thanks for the info, mate! Btw, when you say uk, then do you actually think that it's distilled in uk? I don't know, but If they get there nic in india and uk before there own processing, then I would make a guess that it was alchem and nicobrand, as they are some of the very biggest exporters of nic in those parts I believe. Nicobrand(uk) won't disclose there source even to it's vendors, and one vendor stated that they only processed nic there, but didn't distill themselves. He was sure they used china-extracted nic, as they wouldn't tell him it when he called them for there source. It's from a reputable eu vendor btw. Not that this cannot be good, as many state Xv's nic is therefrom, but later I heard it was from india and the same as wizard's ice ? I dunno...

Yeah man. Chemnovatic is all over the place. When I was testing for VT. There would be batches that smelled like Alchem (rubber). But it would taste better because of Chemnovatic's cleaning process. Chemnovatic is in Poland. Yeah the UK source is most likely Nicobrand. VT's first batch was so smooth. I believe that ICE nic was cleaned by Chemnovatic. I still have 500 ml in my freezer. I treat that stuff like a bottle of 1959 Dom Pérignon.