Nicotine Comparisons

[Exchaner]

See post # 2930 by nicnik on this page.

 

[JeremyR]

Still nothing unless I'm.blind. lol

 

[Koolkiz]

What's interesting is that ECX and liquid barn are re sellers of nic select. I wonder if they are cutting down differently to produce different results? I'm referencing this link...
The best e-liquids use NicSelect, premium liquid nicotine.NicSelect

 

[nicnik]

Now I am really confused. Two different assessments of USA LN - one from nicnik describing the TH as muted, and a second one from Jeremy just the opposite. It just proves individual perceptions play a great role. I have seen other examples all over this thread.

I haven't tried USA LN. Like Jeremy said, I was talking about the juice in the juul.

 

[JeremyR]

What's interesting is that ECX and liquid barn are re sellers of nic select. I wonder if they are cutting down differently to produce different results? I'm referencing this link...
The best e-liquids use NicSelect, premium liquid nicotine.NicSelect

Liquid barn sells 2 completely different brands of nic.

They just so happen to be what I find to be the top two nicotine's. (When you want flavor and TH from your nic.)

My original bottle of USA-LN was direct from USA laboratories. It's was pg so I sent it to artv61. Then got a vg of USA-LN from liquid barn. This is also the same nic that tru-nic sells. All three are the same.

 

[Koolkiz]

Liquid barn sells 2 completely different brands of nic.

They just so happen to be what I find to be the top two

My original bottle of USA-LN was direct from USA laboratories. It's was pg so I sent it to artv. Then got a vg of USA-LN from liquid barn as a sample. This is also the same nic that tru-nic sells. All three are the same.

Good to know. Thanks for the explanation.

Okay, I see where I overlooked the two types of nic sold at Liquid Barn.

 

[Exchaner]

Still nothing unless I'm.blind. lol

Sorry, my mistake guys. I am the blind one lol. I thought nicknack was referring to USA LN, but apparently not.

 

[mhertz]

Sorry, but if someone "in the know", could kindly help me out with this previous post/question of mine, then it would be highly appreciated

Nicotine Comparisons | Page 142 | E-Cigarette Forum

In short, the alkaline taste of pure nic we can notice in the dilluted unflavored mix, is identified by following taste properties: xxxxx...

Not talking about tobacco taste or pepper sting, but the specific alkaline nic taste. I think the tobacco-tones overpowers it, or in fact i'm sure of it, since that's all I can myself differentiate, but would love to be able to know what it is exactly i'm looking for in a taste/smell, thanks...

( Hmm, maybe the answer is just "fishy", since it's amines that gives fish it's smell, and amines in some way are related to pure nic, can't remember the corrolation exactly, and amines are alkaline based I just read... My oldest nicselect I can now also smell a very slight fishyness, which i've never could before, but it's not tasteable, but it's very hot, and been opened/closed many times and about 5 month old allready, and nic msds's frequently state the smell of pure nic as fish-like when hot... Just thinking out loud here )

( Hmm2, I think actually maybe I can answer it myself; amonia and slight fishy... Since that was the exact smell of my cleanest nic i've had; chemnovatic, allthough I couldn't taste it at 3mg, but maybe if I used higher nic, I dunno? I guess the chemnovatic people, with there smart extra filtration technique, are able to remove most of the contaminents originating from the source-material(tobacco), which gives that tobacco taste, and then end up with just the actual nic smell/taste? That amonia-thinggy is probably also the thing that imparts that pepper feel on nose and tongue i'm guessing... Allthough I would still love to hear others oppinions about this, thanks)

 

[JeremyR]

If its fishy smelling you would taste it at 12mg for sure imo. Probably not much at 3% through depending on the severity.

For many years a good nic was one that smelled like aloe vera.

I also at one point thought I detected a fishy smell from one of the blind nics... Don't remember which one.. Will need to go back to the test bottles..

Also, after I submitted my results I accidentally found the best way to smell nic, when I spilled 10mg base on my shirt! Putting that up to my nose gave me the full effect of the smell far more than sniffing the bottle.

So to really test the smell put some on a thin fabric like a cotton shirt.. It really realases the fragrance.

 

[artv61]

Liquid barn sells 2 completely different brands of nic.

They just so happen to be what I find to be the top two nicotine's. (When you want flavor and TH from your nic.)

My original bottle of USA-LN was direct from USA laboratories. It's was pg so I sent it to artv61. Then got a vg of USA-LN from liquid barn. This is also the same nic that tru-nic sells. All three are the same.

Evening all, as far as the US nic goes I thought it had a pleasant taste. It deems to you a bit more th than ecx but I only mixed it at 6 mg. Definitely one I would buy,but so far ecxhas been doing well in mixes.

 

[mhertz]

Thanks Jeremy, much appreciated, mate (Me running out to the bathroom to find a shampoo bottle to smell, which I remember buying which stated to have 25% organic aloe vera in it!)

@All
Btw, I read up a little on it, and I gathered from a couple of chemistry college papers I found online, that amines that are isolated from plants are known as alkaloids. Second, amines are what gives fish it's fishy smell and that amines are derivatives of ammonia and share similar chemistry and charasteristics, so that the reason I picked up e.g. no tobacco at all but just slight fish and ammonia should be pretty spot on actually it seems for an ultra clean nic were the source-notes from the tobacco leaves are completelly washed out... However, then I just don't get why e.g. nicselect is different, because on paper then it is every bit as clean too...

The nic preference I have is strictly about the tobacco taste, which isn't burnt tobacco taste at all, like a cig, but just very nice slight dark "rich" slightly damp tobacco leaves, which tastes and smells also slight nutty and "wooden" and gives a nice depth, and probably also to flavored juices I would think. Of course if it was actually "cig-like" taste and peppery, then that wouldn't go with "cute" flavors, but that is not how it is at all.. I'm here talking about nicselect btw...

Btw, all pure nicotine msds's state the following about odor:

Wizzard's: "Fish (Slight)"
A bunch others: "Slight fish odor when warm."
Chemnovatic: "Characteristic for tobacco, irritant"
Alchem: "Characteristic".

 

[Alien Traveler]

Now I miss "invisibility" in results of comparisons. For me the best nicotine - the most invisible one: no smell, no taste, no throat hit... I can get all I need in taste with PG and flavors.

 

[Donovan69]

I have used RTS, Gentelmans Reserve, Northern Nic and ecig express. The ecig express Nic is by far the "cleanest" I have used thus far. IMO

 

[Dixie1954]

In my honest opinion there is no such thing as 1 nic with no smell, or taste, or throat hit.

 

[ringling]

Thanks a bunch to everyone that was involved with this excellent test, especially Cool_Breeze and Rossum! From the results it looks like I made the right choice for myself in terms of price, taste, pepper and TH: Vapers Tek Throat Hit. I'm not a fan of completely invisible nics, including lack of pepper and TH. Just not enough physical cues for me to be able to keep from vaping too much nic. And the pepper and TH are part of what makes a nic satisfying to me. If all I had was VT TH forever, I would be just fine. And I am grateful that this is not the prevailing opinion of the majority of DIY people, who do want a completely invisible nic. This is what probably is keeping the cost of VT TH down, which is just fine with me.

But truly outstanding work here!

Kurt, I apologize for somewhat changing the subject in the thread but I do not know the forum very well yet wanted to ask you some questions about comments you made back on Apr 27, 2010 in the thread https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/long-term-storage-of-concentrated-nic.84321/

In that thread you state that long term Nicotine storage hardly effects nicotine in adverse ways, and I quote......

"The primary reaction is nic reacting with O2. The product is yellow/brown, depending on the concentration. The reaction is limited to the amount of O2 present in the VG or PG, and this amount is generally very low. If the bottle is sealed and not opened, this reaction will stop once the trace O2 has all reacted. This generally equates to a fraction of a % of the total nic amount, but that small amount of oxide product can significantly color the juice."

"Freezer temps will slow this, and I think in the case of VG-only juices, effectively stop it, since VG becomes almost solid at freezer temps."

"Remove O2 (and moisture), and nic will last indefinitely. With cold temps, VG or PG should too. The 24 month expiration for PG or VG is at room temp and exposed to the air."

First I would like to ask if your opinion has changed on this subject after 5 years?

Second, some say that VG breaks down in time, Are you saying it does not break down significantly as long as it is kept in the freezer.

Third, You said "nic will last indefinitely. With cold temps, VG or PG should too." so can I assume if I wanted to store 100mg nicotine base in a freezer for 20 years it should be feasible.

Last, we know that O2, Moisture, Warm Temperatures can cause oxidation and VG will break down at room temperature after time. What are your thoughts on this.......

Breakdown large bottles of 100mg nic base into 250 or maybe 500ml amber bottles. Fill as much as possible so there is as little of oxygen as possible. Literally buy a packaging system for vacuum sealing each bottle just as they do with meats and other products. Then store in the freezer. In your honest opinion how many years would you think that nicotine base would remain useable.........

Thanks so much for your thoughts !!!

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...orage-of-concentrated-nic.84321/#post-1309934

 

[mhertz]

There's some hype about this cxtc nic, on reddit here: Has anyone tried Carolina Extract? : DIY_eJuice

Supposedly very clean and invisible nic...

Carolina Xtraction Technologies Corp CXTC

I believe it's not the same as the usa liquid nicotine from liquid barn...

 

[JeremyR]

I did look at them, its probably decent but the price is sky high, from what i saw, and it probably wouldn't be worth it. Its likely not much different than the NN. (?)

With that said I haven't tried it; but it didn't sound like the nic I was looking for - clean and smooth... Where as USA LN is described as strong which I like.

If you like a clean nic and want to see if its top shelf and worth it - I guess try some... If you can get a sample that's not $50

 

[mhertz]

Heh, Jeremy, i'm with you, man! Just thought to maybe spark others interest and help the "invisibility-nic" chasers.

Nonetheless, then I wouldn't mind trying it out just to compare how it is against other clean nics, but I cannot buy nic in the states because my country states nic as an pharmaceutical only importable through eu countries, unfortunetly...

Reading about there special extraction they do looks interesting though...

What is Supercritical Nicotine™ ?
Supercritical Nicotine™ is a very pure form of nicotine needing little post extraction purification. It extracted by Supercritical Fluid Extraction (SFE) method which is considered the highest quality extraction method because it uses only naturally occuring atmospheric gasses and pressure fluctuation. The unique properties of SFE are that no heat, no distillation/reverse distillation or complex chemical solvents are involved. The nicotine is simply soaked out of the plant material using naturally occuring carbon dioxide gas compressed into liquid form.
[...]
Does CXTC nicotine have have a pepper flavor hint?
No. The hot pepper flavor chemistry from remnants of purified liquid petroleum products used during extraction. CXTC extraction method using cold liquified CO2 cannot produce that "peppery" flavor. The e-Juice manufacturer will have to add it, if they want it for their recipe.

Hmm, I didn't knew the pepper came from extraction solvents(petrolium products), but interessting to me to learn... However, come to think about it a little, then wouldn't nic in of it self not also be able to sting like pepper, since its highly alkaline like e.g. amonia. I would imagine a dilluted amonia solution e.g. to be able to make a pepper sting through nose and tongue also.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Hmm, I didn't knew the pepper came from extraction solvents(petrolium products), but interessting to me to learn... However, come to think about it a little, then wouldn't nic in of it self not also be able to sting like pepper, since its highly alkaline like e.g. amonia. I would imagine a dilluted amonia solution e.g. to be able to make a pepper sting through nose and tongue also.

A bit unbelievable... I do know (as many others) that "pepperness" of nic increases with oxidation. I have nic stored for 1 year in clear plastic bottle, multiple times open. It became much more peppery with time, and I swear I did not add any petroleum products in it.

 

[mhertz]

LOL! Thanks for the input, mate! However, lets say there are petrolium remainds in your bottle, and as the oxidation occures, then both the original tobacco notes of the nic gets hightened, then couldn't maybe the petrolium-sting also be higtened?

I dunno...