Nicotine Comparisons

[Dreamer13]

Currently my 120ml bottle of Nude Nicotine in 50mg, 100VG is unopened. I've been mixing samples and until I find one worthy of a 30ml upgrade I won't put nic into it. I believe I've mixed a good one, so now I'm going to dilute down the 50mg nic by half and work with a 30ml bottle of 25mg and freeze the rest. 25mg is a good starting point to work with correct? Damn I wish there was a calculator for diluting just nic base. Math is not my strong point and I'm double checking everything. I use e juice my up calculator. I just began mixing a month ago and been going nuts trying to prepare my DIY, backup mods, tanks, rebuilding gear and so on.

Because I'm finding arguments and conflicting information I know you guys will be aware....on 8/8/16 will nicotine concentrate not be sold? I feel like I'm in a mad rush to get everything by the deadline. I know mods and toppers will be available for at least a two year period and nothing new will be produced in that time but I'm unsure about straight nicotine.

You all have been very helpful and I thank you again for answering my noob questions.

 

[JeremyR]

Good question, I just saw a nicotine tax section in a shopping cart for the first time. Just a small store site but still alarming.. I quit cigarettes to stop paying tax, last thing I want to do it pay taxes!!!!!

I guess I need to stock up soon..

On another note my birthday is 8/8!

 

[sketchness]

On another note my birthday is 8/8!

Well I have some nicotine I bought recently that smells like gas, might be the perfect gift to a vaper, nostalgic for the good old days lol

 

[Boxster]

Currently my 120ml bottle of Nude Nicotine in 50mg, 100VG is unopened. I've been mixing samples and until I find one worthy of a 30ml upgrade I won't put nic into it. I believe I've mixed a good one, so now I'm going to dilute down the 50mg nic by half and work with a 30ml bottle of 25mg and freeze the rest. 25mg is a good starting point to work with correct? Damn I wish there was a calculator for diluting just nic base. Math is not my strong point and I'm double checking everything. I use e juice my up calculator. I just began mixing a month ago and been going nuts trying to prepare my DIY, backup mods, tanks, rebuilding gear and so on.

Because I'm finding arguments and conflicting information I know you guys will be aware....on 8/8/16 will nicotine concentrate not be sold? I feel like I'm in a mad rush to get everything by the deadline. I know mods and toppers will be available for at least a two year period and nothing new will be produced in that time but I'm unsure about straight nicotine.

You all have been very helpful and I thank you again for answering my noob questions.

This calculator has some simple tools that are helpful
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/new-calculator-to-try.480587/

Tools -> Simple Calculators ->
Adjust flavor levels in a juice
Adjust PG/VG levels in a juice
Adjust nicotine levels in a juice
Determine nicotine levels after mixing two liquids
Determine amount of liquid 2 to add to liquid 1 to obtain desired nicotine level
Determine volume need of two liquids to obtain a known volume and nicotine level
Determine PG/VG ratio after mixing two liquids
Determine nicotine and PG/VG levels after mixing several liquids

The more you dilute your base nicotine the less options your going to have with your final mix.
Consider if you have a 24mg PG base and you want a 12mg juice you are already
at 50% PG in your final mix. Add another 20% PG based flavoring and... well you get the picture.

Nicotine is going to oxidize whether it's in your dispensing bottle or in your finished juice, you just won't notice it as much. I just take out enough to last a couple months and use these for a nicotine dispensing bottle.
30ml Luer Lock Bottle
18g Plastic Luer Lock Needle
All-Metal Dispensing Tips

It's unclear whats going to happen with nicotine. Nicotine is already an FDA approved drug.
I expect they may start limiting the strength, amount that you can purchase and possibly require certification, or licensing.

 

[mmsjs5]

Damn I wish there was a calculator for diluting just nic base.

This calculator gives the math for up to 10,000 ml finished product, just zero out the flavor and water areas, eJuice Recipe Calculator

 

[fishguy]

Disreguard this post I was tryingbto dona search in the thread.

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[Dreamer13]

This calculator has some simple tools that are helpful
New Calculator to try

Tools -> Simple Calculators ->
Adjust flavor levels in a juice
Adjust PG/VG levels in a juice
Adjust nicotine levels in a juice
Determine nicotine levels after mixing two liquids
Determine amount of liquid 2 to add to liquid 1 to obtain desired nicotine level
Determine volume need of two liquids to obtain a known volume and nicotine level
Determine PG/VG ratio after mixing two liquids
Determine nicotine and PG/VG levels after mixing several liquids

The more you dilute your base nicotine the less options your going to have with your final mix.
Consider if you have a 24mg PG base and you want a 12mg juice you are already
at 50% PG in your final mix. Add another 20% PG based flavoring and... well you get the picture.

Nicotine is going to oxidize whether it's in your dispensing bottle or in your finished juice, you just won't notice it as much. I just take out enough to last a couple months and use these for a nicotine dispensing bottle.
30ml Luer Lock Bottle
18g Plastic Luer Lock Needle
All-Metal Dispensing Tips

It's unclear whats going to happen with nicotine. Nicotine is already an FDA approved drug.
I expect they may start limiting the strength, amount that you can purchase and possibly require certification, or licensing.

Thank you for the bottle link, that's pretty much what I've been looking for. Something stable when sat down, easy to control how much nic is dispense and relatively small (30ml). I need to pick up some new batteries for a dual mod I just purchased so great timing!

I vape 3mg nic in 70vg base liquids or higher. I figure if I dilute it down with more VG I shouldn't have an issue. I actually prefer max VG but want to have some flavor carrier in my test diy liquids so I don't have to wait so long in steeping time.

Should I not even bother to dilute it down from 50mg? I keep reading that's recommended. I will definitely do it to the 100mg but I'm waiting for my 120ml bottles to get here before I order that so it's all lined up and ready to be divided and thrown into the freezer.

 

[sketchness]

Thank you for the bottle link, that's pretty much what I've been looking for. Something stable when sat down, easy to control how much nic is dispense and relatively small (30ml). I need to pick up some new batteries for a dual mod I just purchased so great timing!

I vape 3mg nic in 70vg base liquids or higher. I figure if I dilute it down with more VG I shouldn't have an issue. I actually prefer max VG but want to have some flavor carrier in my test diy liquids so I don't have to wait so long in steeping time.

Should I not even bother to dilute it down from 50mg? I keep reading that's recommended. I will definitely do it to the 100mg but I'm waiting for my 120ml bottles to get here before I order that so it's all lined up and ready to be divided and thrown into the freezer.

I personally keep my nicotine full strength (100mg) until I make a batch. I do keep a 250ml squeeze bottle with an 8mg base for mixing test batches. The one I have currently has been sitting out for about 6 months and is only slightly oxidized.

So whatever you like go for it. I personally don't have the space or glass to mix down as much nic as I have to 50mg or less. I would need a full size chest freezer and 80 or 90 liter bottles to mix down to just 8mg.

Your not doing anything bad. It is really just personal preference about mixing down. It might even make the nicotine last a little longer with less oxidation. According to Nude Nicotine anyway.

 

[Boxster]

Thank you for the bottle link, that's pretty much what I've been looking for. Something stable when sat down, easy to control how much nic is dispense and relatively small (30ml). I need to pick up some new batteries for a dual mod I just purchased so great timing!

I vape 3mg nic in 70vg base liquids or higher. I figure if I dilute it down with more VG I shouldn't have an issue. I actually prefer max VG but want to have some flavor carrier in my test diy liquids so I don't have to wait so long in steeping time.

Should I not even bother to dilute it down from 50mg? I keep reading that's recommended. I will definitely do it to the 100mg but I'm waiting for my 120ml bottles to get here before I order that so it's all lined up and ready to be divided and thrown into the freezer.

I mix by weight and find it easier to just leave my nic at 100mg.
If you mix by weight you will have to determine the specific gravity (grams/ml) of your diluted mix. This information is included in the MSDS for your nicotine.
It's not difficult, just a step I would rather not do.
Why was diluting recommended? Safety? I think the concerns of 100mg are overblown as long as you use common sense and basic percautsions. Don't get it on your fingers and rub your eyes . Don't work in an enclosed non-ventilated area.
The Juul device uses 50mg pods . MFS sells 500mg nicotine.

 

[Dreamer13]

I don't plan on bathing in nic especially if I have a bottle that controls the flow very well, like the 14g needle on a bottle with 100% VG nic isn't going to accidentally spill to the point I will get a major chemical burn. I don't have children so I'm not concerned about them getting into it. When they do come over I just lock the office where firearms and everything else remotely dangerous to them is. Now I do want to keep the dog and cat away from me while I'm mixing.

I tend to over think things and the nicotine is one of them I believe. If everything is inputted properly into the e juice me up calculator there shouldn't be a huge issue with using the 50mg nic. Now the 100 gives me pause just because it's so concentrated. All I can think is one drop too many in a 15ml bottle when I'm aiming for 3nic would probably be bad. My thought process is never get too comfortable with a potentialy dangerous substance 'cause you never know what could happen.

 

[JeremyR]

Well I have some nicotine I bought recently that smells like gas, might be the perfect gift to a vaper, nostalgic for the good old days lol

Even I've grown to dislike the kerosene taste. Lol

 

[aikanae1]

I wanted to add that once, after filling an atomizer, I. Must've failed to was my hands enough because about a hour later I brushed some hair back and "ouch" - nic got into my eye. Omg. That stings. I was a bit concerned I was going to have to go to emergency. I was very surprised at how long the residue from nic remained on my hands. I do a thorough, long, soapy wash up now and not a quick rinse. That was diluted vaping nic too.

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[aikanae1]

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[IDJoel]

I wanted to add that once, after filling an atomizer, I. Must've failed to was my hands enough because about a hour later I brushed some hair back and "ouch" - nic got into my eye. Omg. That stings. I was a bit concerned I was going to have to go to emergency. I was very surprised at how long the residue from nic remained on my hands. I do a thorough, long, soapy wash up now and not a quick rinse. That was diluted vaping nic too.

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Sorry for the typos. I can't find the edit button on the mobile site.

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Thank you @aikanae1 for reminding us that nicotine is not the "devil's juice" but must still always be respected. I am glad that you did not suffer permanent injury. And I hope your tale will encourage other to treat it with the respect it deserves.

 

[Mactavish]

Nicselect, even pink, is completelly void of any tobacco taste(well mine is ), whereas the chemnovatic(VT's source) does have an tobacco taste imho... If you want a non-tobacco nic, then get it cheap e.g. at NR or other nicselect vendor... Based on there COAs, then it's pretty hard to make "crazy-clean" nic any cleaner imho

I recommend everyone to do "blind-testings" for themselves, as it has been shown numerous times that the infuence of "common-opinion" is highly "suggestive"...

Want to thank everyone for their contributions to this thread.

I bought a few liters of 100mg. from NN for deep storage, a few weeks a go, cost a lot in the glass bottles with argon gas, but decided it was worth it. Great customer support from Chris there, picks up the phone 9 out of 10 times.

Felt I wanted to stock up on 2 more liters, but did not want or need to get anymore PREMIUM brands, at almost 2x the price. I decided to go with the majority of comments here and get NicSelect. I like NO taste, NO throat hit. There was only one post recently that claimed the opposite of that:

Nicotine Comparisons

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"I'm now convinced that RTS @ $49/liter is the best lower priced nic I've ever vaped. I prefer it over the nicselect I ordered from Nic River. Nicselect has the strongest odor and most TH of the 4. No doubt about that but I really have nothing bad to say about nicselect. It was totally fine in recipes and I enjoyed it unflavored as well."
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I went with the $60/liter from Nicotine River, over the $45/liter cheaper price of EcigExpress, because of the few comments that they got some spoiled pepper tasting product, maybe improperly stored. NR seems to get high marks recently here and on other forums, and the price difference was not worth the gamble to me, as it may be too late in the game. Thanks again to all!

 

[tiburonfirst]

from NN for deep storage, a few weeks a go, cost a lot in the glass bottles with argon gas

and while nn has an excellent reputation there have been a few reports where people questioned the quality/taste of the product. for that reason i will not buy anything for deep storage. with my luck i'd find out a year or two down the line that murphy's law has struck again.

 

[sketchness]

and while nn has an excellent reputation there have been a few reports where people questioned the quality/taste of the product. for that reason i will not buy anything for deep storage. with my luck i'd find out a year or two down the line that murphy's law has struck again.

I don't think this is exclusive to NN. I taste everything prior to storage. You never know when you might get something off tasting from any vendor. Nicotine is such a fickle mistress!

I recently got some nic from a popular vendor that was terrible. Luckily I sampled it while I was breaking it down. Contacted them and they have dispatched a new liter pronto.

 

[tiburonfirst]

true - but at nn people are paying a premium for storage-ready bottles glass, special caps, argon gas .....
if they were to sample they would have paid the upcharge for nothing

 

[Mactavish]

and while nn has an excellent reputation there have been a few reports where people questioned the quality/taste of the product. for that reason i will not buy anything for deep storage. with my luck i'd find out a year or two down the line that murphy's law has struck again.

While I understand the logic. I'm not opening the argon gas sealed bottles. As you said, overall they have an excellent track record, so I'll play the favorable odds. Who knows if I'll be alive in 5 to 10 years anyways. And in a worse case senario, if it was NG, I'm 100% sure there will be a thriving black market, thanks to the GREEDY FDA.

Folks can judge their own odds in this regard. Most of use buy house, car, etc insurance policies and rarely have to use them, that's how I look at it. Besides, I smartly bought a few smaller bottles from the same batch, that is fine. The NicSelect I just ordered, most of which will go into intermediate storage, will be opened and tested. You have to place your faith in something, that's why I paid a premium for my first NN order.

 

[Mactavish]

true - but at nn people are paying a premium for storage-ready bottles glass, special caps, argon gas .....
if they were to sample they would have paid the upcharge for nothing

Exactly my point, you pay to play. You just have to calculate the odds, and place your bets. I'm quite happy with my choices so far, I'll check back into this thread in 5-10 years and update everyone!