Nicotine Comparisons
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Do you know if any testing has been done on it. I prefer some familiarity with a product before I use it...
Just out of mild curiosity, what kind of testing are you looking for?
Well we know a lot about the used and history of pg/vg - what do we know about this product?
History? Well that is a lot different than testing. Use and histrory? It's Nicotine, used for many years as an inhalantThere are many comments in this thread about Chemnovatic and most people like it. Run Chemnovatic through the search engine.
I did that before I made the post and I have read most of this thread. I have only posted in it once or twice because I do not have as much to add as others. Chemnovatic does not seem to be in as wide spread use as pg/vg so hence my post. I was mainly trying to glean more out of Kurt, but the more that can add to my question the better.
Chemnovatic is just a particular supplier of nicotine. As was stated, it is the manufacturer that Vapors Tech and now Hartland are using for their Premium Nic. so if you searched for Vapors Tech Premium, you will see a ton of comments. I'm pretty sure VT is one of Kurts more favorite suppliers.
The other product Kurt was talking about was 1,3-propanediol, and that doesn't have anything to do with Chemnovatic and I haven't seen it mentioned a lot on this thread other than what has been posted recently.
Okay now I got it - thanks for not giving up on me. I thought they were interrelated. That Chemnovatic and propanediol were one in the same. So it is the latter I am curious about...
No problem, my mums "semiretired" also so I'm use to having to run all the way around the bush to get to the rabbit some times
There's no pride in learning.
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FYI: Real Flavors are suspended in PDO and pg free.
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I have PG nic in glass bottles in my freezer from 2010. No color or taste change. I do not like using VG nic and my PG nic is holding up just fine as well.
Apologies if this has been asked and answered previously.
Liquid nicotine might come in various 'qualities' depending on the specifications of the buyer and the cost. A buyer who is mixing insecticide may be can have a lower specification and get a lower price. A drug company looking to make gum or patches might require purity beyond what's common for ecigs. Does anyone know if there are industry standard grades and where a list might be found? May be it's mostly the same stuff from the chemist's point of view. Is it possible that properly stored nic that might oxidize never the less might do that because of otherwise harmless contaminants that nourish the process?
Another question that interests me, harder to find out I'm sure, is how much liquid nicotine can be derived from an acre of tobacco plants. I'm sure it comes from all the parts of the plant growing above ground that can't be used for making finished tobacco, which could be most of the plant. I wonder how many acres of tobacco are needed to make the nicotine we vape. I suppose a liquid nic refiner could tell us how much tobacco plant he needs per pound or gallong of finished nic.
Liquid nicotine might come in various 'qualities' depending on the specifications of the buyer and the cost. A buyer who is mixing insecticide may be can have a lower specification and get a lower price. A drug company looking to make gum or patches might require purity beyond what's common for ecigs. Does anyone know if there are industry standard grades and where a list might be found? May be it's mostly the same stuff from the chemist's point of view. Is it possible that properly stored nic that might oxidize never the less might do that because of otherwise harmless contaminants that nourish the process?
Another question that interests me, harder to find out I'm sure, is how much liquid nicotine can be derived from an acre of tobacco plants. I'm sure it comes from all the parts of the plant growing above ground that can't be used for making finished tobacco, which could be most of the plant. I wonder how many acres of tobacco are needed to make the nicotine we vape. I suppose a liquid nic refiner could tell us how much tobacco plant he needs per pound or gallong of finished nic.
I know pharmaceutical nic is lower quality than what vapers like. Most companies post certificates, although they don't make sense to me. If you search Kurt's posts, he's answered many of your questions throughout the years.
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Chemical Grades
Below is a list of chemical grades in order of purity, from highest to lowest.
ACS
Highest quality; often equals or exceeds the latest purity standards set by the American Chemical Society (ACS). This is the only universally accepted standard. Chemicals are of the highest purity attainable.
Reagent
Purity is generally equal to ACS grade. This grade is suitable for analytical work and is more than adequate for general lab use.
USP
A grade of sufficient purity to pass certain tests prescribed by the US Pharmacopoeia (USP); acceptable for drug use. USP grade may be used for most laboratory purposes.
NF
A grade of sufficient purity to meet the standards of the National Formulary (NF).
Lab
An upper-level intermediate quality. Exact impurities may not be known; however, lab grade is usually pure enough for most educational laboratories.
Pure
Purified, pure, or practical grade; a lower-level intermediate quality. Although this grade does contain impurities, it is usually pure enough for use in educational laboratories.
Technical
A good-quality grade used industrially. Use caution when substituting for reagent-grade or lab-grade chemicals.
EU pharmacopeia is slightly tighter.
All of the Nicotine suppliers I've seen claim to exceed USP standards
Example
Your last question is hard to answer. Different types of tobacco have varying amounts of nicotine.
Tobacco yields tend to average a bit more than a ton per acre. Let's use 1000 kg to make the math easy. Tobacco is normally 3-5% nic by weight. Nic's density is close enough to 1 that we can that kg is a liter. So in principle, an acre should yield 30-50 liters of nic. That's pure nic, not 100 mg/ml (10%). Of course, no extraction process is 100% efficient, but still, an acre of tobacco should produce enough to keep 500 or more vapers happy.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't all that nonsense end more than a decade ago?drat!
Thank you very much. So MSF is willing to brag about their purity. That's good. I'm hoping some of their product will be there for me in the long run.
I'm not worried about impurities being toxic for me but wondering if they have any influence on the long term storage potential. May be not.
I would bet most of the time the leaves that can be made into finished tobacco are harvested then what ever is left goes to the refiner if there is a market near by. So the tons per acre might be reduced to account for that. My hunch is it doesn't take so many acres of production to take care of 40 million vapers world wide. It would be interesting to have a rough estimate. May be vaping is green, has a good effect on the environment compared to smoking. So may be all those global warming green people should support vaping.
Vaping is greener than smoking. Cig .... trash is an expensive pita for city mayors. There's been a lot of studies and reports on it. And of course air quality.
Logic, expense and public health just isn't the priority of the anti-vaping zealots.
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