Nicotine Comparisons

[Bosco]

hi, I have read the whole thread, but I may have missed something. I looked at the chart too. I bought some 50/50, 12mg ice from wizard labs. normally I vape 6mg although some of my (premade) liquids are 12mg and most of those are 50/50 pv/vg.

this WL ice has a very strong throat hit for me. much stronger than my other 12mg liquids, including the halo one which I know has significantly more pg than vg (they told me that although wouldn't give me the exact numbers)

I don't diy (yet) but I do vape unflavored a lot (at 6mg nic) - I got this because of our lovely government.

Your comments had me panicked! I ordered some ICE without having tried it . .I'm a big fan of the regular and, from everything I've heard the ICE is smoother than the regular . .which is what I'm after because I really hate throat hit and pepper taste.

I received my order about a week ago and mixed up some 14mg unflavored base right away . .but I like to let my nic-bases steep a while to make sure they are really well mixed so I just got a chance to try it out.

I dripped 2 drops in my atty and took a drag. I found it incredibly smooth with no detectable throat hit. I took a few more drags and then dripped 2 more drops. I could still taste flavor from my previous juice . .but no throat hit or pepper taste whatsoever.

My ICE is all VG . .but I am familiar with MFS nic and I also have that in all VG. For me, MFS has a pronounced throat hit and pepper taste . .too much for me, actually . .and the ICE is incredibly smooth with about the same throat hit as vaping pure VG . .ie . .practically none.

I have no idea why yours might be stronger . .but I thought I'd chime in since we probably have juice from the same batch or lot.

 

[cags]

Your comments had me panicked! I ordered some ICE without having tried it . .I'm a big fan of the regular and, from everything I've heard the ICE is smoother than the regular . .which is what I'm after because I really hate throat hit and pepper taste.

I received my order about a week ago and mixed up some 14mg unflavored base right away . .but I like to let my nic-bases steep a while to make sure they are really well mixed so I just got a chance to try it out.

I dripped 2 drops in my atty and took a drag. I found it incredibly smooth with no detectable throat hit. I took a few more drags and then dripped 2 more drops. I could still taste flavor from my previous juice . .but no throat hit or pepper taste whatsoever.

My ICE is all VG . .but I am familiar with MFS nic and I also have that in all VG. For me, MFS has a pronounced throat hit and pepper taste . .too much for me, actually . .and the ICE is incredibly smooth with about the same throat hit as vaping pure VG . .ie . .practically none.

I have no idea why yours might be stronger . .but I thought I'd chime in since we probably have juice from the same batch or lot.

don't panic anyone! OMG I'm not informed enough to cause a panic!!! see my post #760
I think I'm a throat hit wimp is what I think! I may have to have a mod delete my posts!
I ordered the ice and then starting getting the impression from the thread that the TH was not pronounced so I was just surprised then I got it.

 

[Bosco]

don't panic anyone! OMG I'm not informed enough to cause a panic!!! see my post #760
I think I'm a throat hit wimp is what I think! I may have to have a mod delete my posts!
I ordered the ice and then starting getting the impression from the thread that the TH was not pronounced so I was just surprised then I got it.

No worries! You don't have to be experienced to detect throat hit . .especially if you have other juices to compare it to . .which, obviously you do. I went back and read your post #760 . .pretty cool! WL is a great vendor.

I mixed up a juice with my ice base (~12mg mixed) and am vaping it now. It's unsteeped so the flavor is not really what it could be yet - but it's really smooth.

I must be sensitive to some tobacco compound or something because some nics - especially the ones with strong pepper taste, seem to tear my mouth, lips and throat up -but WL, both the regular and the ICE, are really smooth and cause me no such issues. You can pretty much tell when I'm vaping another nic base because I'm chugging water and constantly applying Chapstick, lol.

 

[Kurt]

The VG-Ice I have is smooth and low TH and pepper compared to the MFS I have...but I think MFS from that time (2010) was legendary in its pepper. John at WL is a fanatic about nicotine accuracy. I have worked with him, and he has an on-site chemist for titrations. I takes it VERY seriously. Those that remember the Box Elder debacle will know why...I sure don't want to go through THAT again! All of the many samples of WL I have titrated myself (all 100 mg unflavored) were within 2% accurate in nic levels. I trust John to do the right thing, and I'm not at all surprised he wants to test this batch. Let him, he will feel better if he does, he is that kind of guy. My guess is it will be spot on.

That said, I have found that my DIY 12 mg juices I make from Ice give me the same satisfaction that 18 mg does with WL regular or other nics. Very pure nic can do this, although I don't know why. The "high octane" line from NHaler is another example of this. It does not have to be that the nic level is higher than labeled, but it is wise to check. Bare in mind that John wants a lot of feedback about these new products he is selling. If I was selling a DIY nicotine, and a customer thought it was too high, but it actually wasn't (and I doubt it is), I would certainly be very interested in that information.

If you are chugging water and always applying chapstick, I would recommend VG juices. This is what PG did to me, and eventually that turned into mouth sores and a very angry intestinal track. Vg does none of this to me. I can vape all day and barely drink any water, and no chapped lips. YMMV.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

If you are chugging water and always applying chapstick, I would recommend VG juices. This is what PG did to me, and eventually that turned into mouth sores and a very angry intestinal track. Vg does none of this to me. I can vape all day and barely drink any water, and no chapped lips. YMMV.

What can be done with VG to get the throat hit one finds with PG...without ODing on nicotine?

 

[JUDGMENT AFFIRMED]

What can be done with VG to get the throat hit one finds with PG...without ODing on nicotine?

HI Cool Breeze, If it was me, and someday I may just try all VG, I would go with a nic with the most TH.

 

[wolcen]

What can be done with VG to get the throat hit one finds with PG...without ODing on nicotine?

Have you tried a little high proof vodka? Does a great deal of thinning too.

 

[JUDGMENT AFFIRMED]

Have you tried a little high proof vodka? Does a great deal of thinning too.

Have you tryed the vodka wolcen? If so, how much?

 

[Baums]

HI Cool Breeze, If it was me, and someday I may just try all VG, I would go with a nic with the most TH.

Hey Judgement - happy retirement - what nic has the highest TH to most?

 

[wolcen]

Have you tryed the vodka wolcen? If so, how much?

No actually - I've just read that several times over but I haven't gotten to do it quite yet (the vodka "disappears" well before mixing time comes around LOL). What I'd much rather get is everclear, but you can't get that here (well, not easily anyway). I can vouch for the effect that alcohol has though. No, not like that. Well, yes, certainly like that, but I mean in terms of TH. It's not quite as satistfying a TH as nic though, more like a light burning sensation. I got this with, for example, Cranberry by TPA which is alcohol based and doesn't seem to be like the super-concentrateds, so you can use it at 5+%. I actually really like that flavor BTW. I'm not exactly sure where I was with it, but it wasn't all that much - maybe as high as 7%.

Another suggestion I have tried is both Koolada and/or Menthol. You'd be suprised what the tiniest amount (like just a drop or two) of methol does for some fruit flavors by brightening them/making them crisp without giving you a mouth of mint sensation. The koolada is neat because it has that sort of cooling effect without the supermint taste. It does linger though, like methol does with me which is why I really have to be in the mood for it. I don't like things like big red gum and menthol sometimes just because of that lingering effect. I also HATE icy/hot patches, not that they're necessarily related - just sayin'

 

[Bosco]

If you are chugging water and always applying chapstick, I would recommend VG juices. This is what PG did to me, and eventually that turned into mouth sores and a very angry intestinal track. Vg does none of this to me. I can vape all day and barely drink any water, and no chapped lips. YMMV.

I already do vape all VG. At first I thought it was PG, too . .so I switched to all VG. But it turned out to be the nic itself. MFS does this to me really bad. RTS does it to me somewhat. I'm fine with XtremeVaping or WL.

 

[r77r7r]

--WOLCEN--

Do you think that Koolada (if I can find it) would help with my sisters coughing problem? I recently gave her some equipment and shes coughing up a lung each puff.

Is that at Vaping Zone??

 

[wolcen]

--WOLCEN--

Do you think that Koolada (if I can find it) would help with my sisters coughing problem? I recently gave her some equipment and shes coughing up a lung each puff.

Is that at Vaping Zone??

Eek, I have no idea about it helping with coughing. For that, I would say try lower PG, less flavor, lower nic, etc. Reduce things before adding anything type of approach. Another thing - be sure to have coached her to take a small drag into her mouth first and then inhale. Many smoker's/new users initially drag straight to the lungs which causes a cough for many people.

Koolada can be had all around - ECX, WL, VZ. TPA is the maker, so of course you can get it there too.

ETA: By the way, while I suggested lowering PG, there are those that find VG too "heavy" in the lungs and that may be causing coughing too. PG is just more often found to be irritating, so while I would personally lean toward higher %VG first, if that doesn't help certainly try leaning toward more PG if you've reduced other variables and less PG didn't help.

 

[JUDGMENT AFFIRMED]

Hey Judgement - happy retirement - what nic has the highest TH to most?

Thanks Baums,
Double eek, your testing my memory to the max. Ive only tryed Wizard reg and RTS, and I think the RTS has more TH, but that was the RTS from July. The newer that I got from both in the freezer I haven't gotten to yet. But Bosco , I believe, reported the same. I know Kurt said that one had more TH than RTS, but i don't want to quess and mislead you. Maybe someone that knows can jump in.

 

[wolcen]

MFS has more, then Boxed Elder more still (...is what I've read. I too have only had GoodProphets, RTS and the three varieties of WL)

So - where's everyone finding good nic at a good price right now? I'm getting depressed staring at the "out of stock" plastered all over Wizard Labs.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

So - where's everyone finding good nic at a good price right now? I'm getting depressed staring at the "out of stock" plastered all over Wizard Labs.

wolcen - You might try ecigexpress

Thanks for you comments on throat hit.

 

[JUDGMENT AFFIRMED]

Another suggestion I have tried is both Koolada and/or Menthol. You'd be suprised what the tiniest amount (like just a drop or two) of methol does for some fruit flavors by brightening them/making them crisp without giving you a mouth of mint sensation. The koolada is neat because it has that sort of cooling effect without the supermint taste. It does linger though, like methol does with me which is why I really have to be in the mood for it. I don't like things like big red gum and menthol sometimes just because of that lingering effect. I also HATE icy/hot patches, not that they're necessarily related - just sayin'

I am only now even trying flavor Without menthol, and its not working very well. The only thing that I like without the menthol is TPA Cheesecake Graham Crust. I can't find Everclear here either. But I do have 100 proof vodka that I use for cleaning. I never did try plain PG/VG yet, going to have too.....and vodka. Thanks wolcen

 

[JUDGMENT AFFIRMED]

Boy I dileted the ecigexpress 7% off , but i think their more than RTS. We do have a problem for anyone that needs nic now. Never ordered or checked ONESTOPDIYSHOP.

 

[Baums]

I am only now even trying flavor Without menthol, and its not working very well. The only thing that I like without the menthol is TPA Cheesecake Graham Crust. I can't find Everclear here either. But I do have 100 proof vodka that I use for cleaning. I never did try plain PG/VG yet, going to have too.....and vodka. Thanks wolcen

Judgement you might be the perfect person to ask for this then. When I get my nic, I am going to try and recreate one of the ICE juices from MBV. I do enjoy them a lot. Basically I think it is a mix of bluebery, koolada, and menthol. Now I see under other threads people suggest 10-15% on the blueberry. So if I were to mix this with menthol and Koolada, do I lower that number? And how much menthol/koolada do I use. I have heard a little bit goes a long way.

Or do I simply use, say that 10%, and then drop some menthol in? Thanks much!

 

[Baums]

Boy I dileted the ecigexpress 7% off , but i think their more than RTS. We do have a problem for anyone that needs nic now. Never ordered or checked ONESTOPDIYSHOP.

its marchon13.