Nicotine in Canada
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No...the prices are actually quite good. Select the size from the drop down for prices for unit with the sizes.
I'm guessing in Danes' case, it's purely for it's cost efficiency, however there are some of us who prefer a higher nic content. Personally, I like a 36mg... when I use that for a DIY base, I'll usually end up with something in the range of 24mg.
I'm also thinking of looking elsewhere for my nic/PG for this reason.
Whoops. I guess I should have actually clicked the thing before commenting. I wonder if vaping that Timmie's Double Double will also get rid of the morning pre-coffee ......ation...
Something's wrong with Canada, I think there's a law or something against nicotine, I never found a vendor who carries 60mg and +. But you can still get some from xtremevaping or arcticvapor.
The answer is in many people's view, including my own, its irresponsible to carry nicotine juice in high levels. Some would rather risk people's safety to make a buck, fortunately there are no vendors like that in Canada. In some cases its not even a better deal at the higher nicotine level!
Safety is the reason behind the rule on ECF that you cannot advertise over 36mg, safety is the reason behind Canadian vendors not offering unnecessarily strong e-liquid.
Now the question is, at what level will nicotine e-juice harm you? The ONLY honest answer is we don't know. Until we do, its not worth finding out the hard way.
I apologize ahead of time, but I feel a rant coming on;
What you speak of is essentially the "ban" as we know it.
Health Canada has legal authority over Nicotine and not the device itself (though imho a PV is benign without the nicotine unless, of course, that was your end goal and you reached it).I went hunting a while back for some good nic base because I was tired of mixing 18 mg (I don't believe much higher than 24 or 36 was available as well) and after a long exhausting search I decided I would just stick to the deals I was getting at the time on Dekang.
Anyway, these nic laws were passed as a result of a study many years ago on the LD-50 (Lethal Dosage) of Nicotine when rats were subjected to high doses of strong nicotine. As one would imagine most of the rats died and shortly after this experiment Canada had a law. Nicotine is also used as an organic pesticide (much like Chrysanthemum RAID) on certain crops because of this study.
Basically, we aren't very lucky. Fighting with this government to listen to reason will be an uphill battle because they have laws, legislation and customs on their side. What we do have going for is that PV's are a fairly new technology and deliver nicotine in such a way that is pretty much harmless. This is in the process of being proven scientifically.
As well, most "doses" that people take are either meeting or well below the 4mg dosage limit. Also, we currently can still order overseas without too much hassle because customs isn't omniscient by any stretch of the imagination.
I can't stress enough to everyone that this ban is not the boogie monster and the petition is just a good first step in proactively protecting our right to use our devices in the years to come without being a criminal. I saw the first signs of true seriousness when FarmYard had BLANK cartomizers seized because they "might have contained nicotine"... That is a gross disrespect for their own rules! If we let them do this then it will gradually become an excuse they use for other hardware as well.
**This 100% hasn't been directed at anyone nor was it intended to be
. I just feel it needed to be restated and explained in full so that there is less confusion in the community about the reason for my actions. So if you are getting some PM's about some good OOC suppliers and you want to try it out, don't cage yourself in fear and do as you wish.**I hope this cleared everything up and my tact is in line, lol I had a long night.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...st-attempt-mixing-am-i-making-too-strong.html this is just one of many I have seen.
That recipe baffles me completely. When I first get into these things I was scared of getting 18 mg on my hands.
40 drops of 100mg
20 drops of Creme De Menthe
15 drops of PG????
Wow, now that is one bad idea.
Fortunatly the overpowering mint flavor that is going to knock this guy off his feet will save him from killing himself.. Its funny, but its not..
I have seen far worse trust me, but that is the only one I have bookmarked and repost every now and again. I would like to find the thread were buddy got pure nic, and not a small qty either I believe either 1 or 2 ltres and asked, now what?
I stand behind all the vendors that are cautious wrt what they sell and who they sell it to.
If you're comfortable with DIY, the 100mg is a great economical solution. The same doomsday fear mongering that you see now was used about 36mg and then 48mg when it first came out a few years ago.
But how do we know the safty of 36mg, 48mg ect? Unfortunatly trial and error.
We know at the upper end of the scale, pure nic, its fatal, so at what concentration does that start?
Shall we continue on with the trail and error method? Where error = death, thats not fear mongering, thats a real as it gets.
I support your observation Nuck, but will disagree with a portion of it. Cost per mg is the same across the board if we exclude shipping, so no economical value there as is cost more to cut it. I use 100mg nic but I started at 50mg (for safety reasons).
I hear your observations wrt fear mongering from some, but under the same token, allot of folks are up for Darwin Awards yearly. Some of the irresponsible behaviour of some DIYers is mind boggling, do we need one more statistic to be used against us?
So yes, because of some folks I applaud the caution exercised by vendors. I know I was not very popular with some of my responses to PMs, where I felt the individual (through demonstrated behaviour) wasn't ready to play with high octane liquid.
Thats why I put the qualifier (if you're comfortable with DIY). If someone doesn't feel comfortable with 100mg then they shouldn't use it. I tend to get upset when others try to block my ability to use it. Particularly because it is not based on any science or even anecdotal evidence. It's pure conjecture.
Having used 100mg for quite a while now and having a large group of vapers that do the same, the danger arguments, based on personal experiences, are heavily inflated.
Btw, the vendors I use are more economical if you buy 100mg over 60 or 36. The other reason to use 100mg is to reach a nic concentration that doesn't dilute the flavor. LX flavors require 50% or more to be really effective. If you want 25mg nic as your vape it requires a minimum of 50mg nic as your base and that's only if you don't want to do a PG/VG mix. 100mg is a must for this type of flavoring.
Having used 100mg for quite a while now and having a large group of vapers that do the same, the danger arguments, based on personal experiences, are heavily inflated.
Btw, the vendors I use are more economical if you buy 100mg over 60 or 36. The other reason to use 100mg is to reach a nic concentration that doesn't dilute the flavor. LX flavors require 50% or more to be really effective. If you want 25mg nic as your vape it requires a minimum of 50mg nic as your base and that's only if you don't want to do a PG/VG mix. 100mg is a must for this type of flavoring.
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As a vendor, how do I know the difference between someone who can handle it like you, and someone who is going to do something stupid with it, resulting in me getting sued for everything I am worth, or worse ending up in jail for negligence causing death?
You would have to ask the vendors that sell it but it does raise the same issue with your own products. How do you know that your customers won't do something stupid with the 50mg nic that you sell on your site and end up your getting sued or jailed?
Nuck I did buy 100mg in a 125ml bottle of pg of nic juice from this vender Nicotine - DIY
I also got pg and vg with no nic for diluting. Now my questions is..what percentage of vg and pg should I be diluting my nic juice to? My first thought was to take the 100mg nic juice, dilute that in the no nic pg, and then when I go to add flavors for the ejuice, then I would add my vg. I just don't have a clue how much to add. If there is a better way, let me know!
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