Nicotine is harsh?

[BlaseWithVicarious]

Ok so I like the high nic in cigarettes and in dip but I can't stand any amount in e liquid even the lowest amount makes me cough my brains out why? Like I do inhale regularly I guess lung inhale? I don't know difference between mouth inhale vs lungs like is it taking a drink directly is lung and sucking up soda in mouth that swallowing? Can someone explain that as well as have insight on why I can't handle eliquid nicotine? Anyone have similar issue?


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[Caridwen]

It's very very common for many people.

I have family members that cough like crazy.

Try reading this-
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/337017-inhalation-technique-e-cigarette.html

I DIY and I mixed up a batch of very low/no nicotine for my sister with a little vanilla and a little mint to "practice" with.

It's hard to explain to another person. Don't inhale into your lungs. Inhale into your mouth and open your mouth and inhale so it doesn't shoot the vape straight into your lungs. If that makes sense.

 

[Exchaner]

I tend to cough with high pg ratios. And certain ingredients make me cough as well. You can try a vg liquid with not too many ingredients and see how you react.

 

[Caridwen]

Go to walmart and get a bottle of VG and dilute it with a bit of distilled water and practice a bit with it.

 

[BlaseWithVicarious]

Go to walmart and get a bottle of VG and dilute it with a bit of distilled water and practice a bit with it.

I tend to cough with high pg ratios. And certain ingredients make me cough as well. You can try a vg liquid with not too many ingredients and see how you react.

I usually have only vg liquid like 99/01 is possible and I've tried the other way around thanks for the information.

It's hard to explain to another person. Don't inhale into your lungs. Inhale into your mouth and open your mouth and inhale so it doesn't shoot the vape straight into your lungs. If that makes sense.

Thanks that makes sense.

Overall I think my inhale technique was wrong. I usually vape with zero nic but just like nic in regular cigs. Thanks for all the help guys


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[Caridwen]

You just have to practice. I think it's pretty common for many people. In fact I've talked to people that stopped vaping due to coughing. Which is unfortunate, but not many people to ask for help. It's just a matter of not inhaling like you do a cigarette. Inhale into your mouth first, then slowly inhale into your lungs. It's helpful to open your mouth a bit so you also inhale a little air too.

 

[BlaseWithVicarious]

You just have to practice. I think it's pretty common for many people. In fact I've talked to people that stopped vaping due to coughing. Which is unfortunate, but not many people to ask for help. It's just a matter of not inhaling like you do a cigarette. Inhale into your mouth first, then slowly inhale into your lungs. It's helpful to open your mouth a bit so you also inhale a little air too.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense thanks for the information.



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[MissMcVayp]

How high are the volts on your battery? If I have mine up too high the vapor feels "harsh" and hot and makes me cough and my mouth feel like if you just drank too-hot coffee.... I actually made a list of what volts to vape what oms at, and sticking to that fixed the problem, lol....

 

[MissMcVayp]

2.2 o's at 3.5 volts, 2.0 o's at 3.2 volts, 2.5 o's at 3.6 volts, and 1.8 o's at 3.1 volts. For me I can adjust it a bit higher if I don't want such a long suck/inhale (or I want more vapor), but not too much higher or it becomes harsh.

 

[BlaseWithVicarious]

How high are the volts on your battery? If I have mine up too high the vapor feels "harsh" and hot and makes me cough and my mouth feel like if you just drank too-hot coffee.... I actually made a list of what volts to vape what oms at, and sticking to that fixed the problem, lol....

I'm using mechanical mod with 1 ohm diamond coil with aw 18650 3.7v 24amp .... I know harsh vapes from too high voltage but it's like I inhale in mouth and if I inhale deep to lung it like tingles my throat to cough.... Like a menthol feel only nicotine and I cough to it... Hope I explained that better...


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[MissMcVayp]

Instead of taking one big inhale, take three little ones? Until you find your inhale technique???

 

[Asmo6]

I think I've got it figured out. Pull the vapor into your mouth like a cigar. I'm not a big cigar guy but there is part of the concept that applies here IMO. You absorb nicotine from cigars through your mouth. Gradually, over time. If you took a hit on most cigars like you do a cigarette you'd get the same effect as you are vaping. If you don't cough immediately, it's gonna hurt. The trick is to pull the smoke/vapor into the mouth only. With a cigar this is a very manual process and the draw really depends on the types of tobacco, the wrap, the cut, and how far along you are. On the vaporizer it's the air holes, connection, tank - etc. But what you are doing is similar. Draw easy, steady hits into the mouth. (On a cigar you'd allow the majority of the smoke back out without inhaling.) Then you'd breathe in, with a small amount of smoke still in your mouth, adjusting the amount you inhale by the harshness of the cigar, or how close the ember is to your mouth. Similar idea to adding mixing air to the hit. You breathe the hit in with mixing air, not directly. This should ease the harshness and allow some of the vapor to cool that way.

Low quality juice that's high in pg and nic is going to hurt. It may make you cough. It makes me unhappy, light headed and sick feeling as well.

I have a 18mg menthol that's higher VG and I can take large draws on and breathe in almost directly without discomfort. The menthol adds a cool burn / numbing though so it may be suppressing cough. I tend to like cooler draws with it. It's a strong enough flavor that it doesn't need nuked or to taste hot. So I don't really run it over 9 watts.

It's my daily so far.

I have a blueberry vapor-x 18mg that makes me cough if I take anywhere near the same hits. It burns, (and makes me sick) and no amount of adjusting on the v/w makes a difference. Two big direct hits and I'd feel like something was standing on my chest. Cough 100% chance.

The fluid mix and technique matter IMO.

Not smoking AT ALL and just vaping allows you to retrain the technique IMO. But it's remotely similar to cigar smoking in concept.

 

[emus]

IGO-F twisted 3/32" 30GA kanthal cotton wick 1.2 ohms produces a luxury smooth as silk throat hit with every nic concentration I've tried (4, 6, 8, and 10 mg). Amazing vapor quality.

I chase IGO-F quality smooth TH on most of my rebuildables. I chase clouds on other rebuildables but that is a completely different topic.

I've spent a fair amount of time tuning rebuildables to eliminate any trace of that scratchy TH which can induce a cough in severe cases.
I've found my IGO-F style 3/32" coil works well in other rebuildables. I have successfully eliminated the scratchy TH even in huge 22 mm UD AGI, AGA-T2 and AGA-TD.

For small air holes barely over 1 mm I have found coil should be as close to air hole as possible w/o making contact; less than 1 mm away. Intuitive Mouth to lung inhale works great.

For 1/16" air hole, the coil can be about 2mm from air hole. Mouth to lung is ok but must pull hard enough to maintain sufficient velocity across coil. If suck very slow then scratch may occur.

For 1/8" air hole, optimal coil position seems more flexible but direct lung pull is needed for sufficient air velocity across coil. I try to position coil as crow flies from air inlet to bottom of drip tip. Mouth to lung will most likely result in scratchy TH.

 

[Nikkita6]

Ok so I like the high nic in cigarettes and in dip but I can't stand any amount in e liquid even the lowest amount makes me cough my brains out why? Like I do inhale regularly I guess lung inhale? I don't know difference between mouth inhale vs lungs like is it taking a drink directly is lung and sucking up soda in mouth that swallowing? Can someone explain that as well as have insight on why I can't handle eliquid nicotine? Anyone have similar issue?


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This is very common in new vapers, regardless of how much, or how long you have previously smoked cigarettes ... I won't repeat my own story about this for the upteenth time, but in time you will adjust to the difference in throat hit, which does feel harsh at first with e cigs.

Another member (new vaper) just recently posted that he thought something was wrong with his clearo because of how harsh his first vape related throat hit was.

 

[BlaseWithVicarious]

This is very common in new vapers, regardless of how much, or how long you have previously smoked cigarettes ... I won't repeat my own story about this for the upteenth time, but in time you will adjust to the difference in throat hit, which does feel harsh at first with e cigs.

Another member (new vaper) just recently posted that he thought something was wrong with his clearo because of how harsh his first vape related throat hit was.

I've been vaping for over a year now at first I tried eliquid with nic but didn't like it and from then only done zero nic. I never did that whole 24-18-11 mg nic thing I've seen some do....


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[BlaseWithVicarious]

I think I've got it figured out. Pull the vapor into your mouth like a cigar. I'm not a big cigar guy but there is part of the concept that applies here IMO. You absorb nicotine from cigars through your mouth. Gradually, over time. If you took a hit on most cigars like you do a cigarette you'd get the same effect as you are vaping. If you don't cough immediately, it's gonna hurt. The trick is to pull the smoke/vapor into the mouth only. With a cigar this is a very manual process and the draw really depends on the types of tobacco, the wrap, the cut, and how far along you are. On the vaporizer it's the air holes, connection, tank - etc. But what you are doing is similar. Draw easy, steady hits into the mouth. (On a cigar you'd allow the majority of the smoke back out without inhaling.) Then you'd breathe in, with a small amount of smoke still in your mouth, adjusting the amount you inhale by the harshness of the cigar, or how close the ember is to your mouth. Similar idea to adding mixing air to the hit. You breathe the hit in with mixing air, not directly. This should ease the harshness and allow some of the vapor to cool that way.

Low quality juice that's high in pg and nic is going to hurt. It may make you cough. It makes me unhappy, light headed and sick feeling as well.

I have a 18mg menthol that's higher VG and I can take large draws on and breathe in almost directly without discomfort. The menthol adds a cool burn / numbing though so it may be suppressing cough. I tend to like cooler draws with it. It's a strong enough flavor that it doesn't need nuked or to taste hot. So I don't really run it over 9 watts.

It's my daily so far.

I have a blueberry vapor-x 18mg that makes me cough if I take anywhere near the same hits. It burns, (and makes me sick) and no amount of adjusting on the v/w makes a difference. Two big direct hits and I'd feel like something was standing on my chest. Cough 100% chance.

The fluid mix and technique matter IMO.

Not smoking AT ALL and just vaping allows you to retrain the technique IMO. But it's remotely similar to cigar smoking in concept.

That explains it so much! Thanks


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[BlaseWithVicarious]

IGO-F twisted 3/32" 30GA kanthal cotton wick 1.2 ohms produces a luxury smooth as silk throat hit with every nic concentration I've tried (4, 6, 8, and 10 mg). Amazing vapor quality.

I chase IGO-F quality smooth TH on most of my rebuildables. I chase clouds on other rebuildables but that is a completely different topic.

I've spent a fair amount of time tuning rebuildables to eliminate any trace of that scratchy TH which can induce a cough in severe cases.
I've found my IGO-F style 3/32" coil works well in other rebuildables. I have successfully eliminated the scratchy TH even in huge 22 mm UD AGI, AGA-T2 and AGA-TD.

For small air holes barely over 1 mm I have found coil should be as close to air hole as possible w/o making contact; less than 1 mm away. Intuitive Mouth to lung inhale works great.

For 1/16" air hole, the coil can be about 2mm from air hole. Mouth to lung is ok but must pull hard enough to maintain sufficient velocity across coil. If suck very slow then scratch may occur.

For 1/8" air hole, optimal coil position seems more flexible but direct lung pull is needed for sufficient air velocity across coil. I try to position coil as crow flies from air inlet to bottom of drip tip. Mouth to lung will most likely result in scratchy TH.

That makes sense I like a pretty open air hole I got a nimbus rda but I didn't like the air draw and I did drill I just am not fan of dual coil so I went back to my octopus rda ... I use them on my just GG. Thanks for the help.



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[Dana G Birrell]

This thread is news to me. I started on 24mg nicotine coming from camel menthols.

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