Nicotine sedative vs stimulant
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Well I just told you the benefits of it, it helps those who need a bit more of what they got from cigarettes other than just nicotine. Nicotine is just one of the alkaloids present in tobacco, probably the most "addictive" one, and certainly the primary one; the others do have some addictive potential though, particularly, as I said, for those who have chemical dysfunctions in their brains -- ADD, anxiety, depression, and probably others that don't leap to mind, conditions that in some way, these alkaloids -- all of them, including nicotine -- help to control or alleviate. When you get WTA, it is described in mg per ml just like nicotine, and nicotine is one of the things you're getting, along with others. I don't know what they are or how many they are; it's just that the extraction process is carried out to extract the alkaloid spectrum, not just nicotine.
Andria
The fact is, vaping is a SIGNIFICANTLY less efficient delivery system. The reason why caffeine/ginseng infused e-liquids aren't well accepted is that they don't work. Those chemicals just burn off and crust up on the coil. Even the nicotine itself is only absorbed at something like 10%* of the rate of smoking an actual cigarette.
Vaping gives people just enough nicotine, but also helps with the exhaling sensation and hand to mouth fixation. That's why it has such a high success rate of helping smokers quit compared to other methods.
*I'm not 100% sure on the exact numbers, just that vaping delivers nicotine at a significantly less efficient rate.
It may take longer to enter ones' system, but I think a lot of people are getting more nicotine from vaping than smoking. You don't really hear about people getting a buzz or nic sick from smoking.
AndriaD what you say makes a lot of sense. I have ADD and suffer from depression. Growing up it was just ADD and anger issues. I started smoking when I was 16 because I needed something to help me deal with stress. To this day nicotine still helps me to deal with it. The reason I am switching to vapes is because I want to do something healthier and I am finding Vaping to actually be more enjoyable. But I have no plans on using it to try to give up the nicotine. I just need it too much.
mberlinger3 I am 30 years old. Take it from someone who has been hooked on nicotine for a long time. Don't start. Once your hooked it is hard to get off. I am one of those people who actually need it for the stress relief. But if your looking as more of a pick me up to get you through the day, caffeine is a much better alternative. Yes nicotine can help give you a pick me up. But it often times has the opposite effect as well. When I wake up it will pick me up and help me regain focus. But I think that is partially because of the lack of nicotine in my when i was sleeping anyways. Most of the time it just calms me and I actually have issues getting to sleep at night if I don't get some in me before I go to bed. I will recommend vaping to all the smokers I meet out there. But I also caution non-smokers against ever picking up either habit.
mberlinger3 I am 30 years old. Take it from someone who has been hooked on nicotine for a long time. Don't start. Once your hooked it is hard to get off. I am one of those people who actually need it for the stress relief. But if your looking as more of a pick me up to get you through the day, caffeine is a much better alternative. Yes nicotine can help give you a pick me up. But it often times has the opposite effect as well. When I wake up it will pick me up and help me regain focus. But I think that is partially because of the lack of nicotine in my when i was sleeping anyways. Most of the time it just calms me and I actually have issues getting to sleep at night if I don't get some in me before I go to bed. I will recommend vaping to all the smokers I meet out there. But I also caution non-smokers against ever picking up either habit.
Agree to disagree on that. Almost every new smoker gets buzzed(although for most it was long enough ago that the memory fades), but because smoking absorbs so much better they stop before getting nic sick usually. When a person is new to vaping, they have to learn how much to vape, and at what nic percentage, so it's just like being a new smoker, but since it absorbs so much slower, they can vape too much and then wind up getting nic sick. Usually though, just like with smoking, vapers find that perfect right amount, and then there is no buzz or nic sick anymore.
The only ones who might be getting more nic than when they smoked are the ones who are serious chain vapers.
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The reality is that nicotine is neither a true sedative or true stimulant. It is however a mental modifier that can relieve tension while at the same time increasing awareness.
There is actually a lot of good science out there on just what effects nicotine has on the brain if you care to look for it.
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I've had many a cigar give me nicotine rush.
There is actually a lot of good science out there on just what effects nicotine has on the brain if you care to look for it.
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I've had many a cigar give me nicotine rush.
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This is so true! I smoked for 39 yrs, and although I do recall feeling dizzy when I tried smoking at the skating rink in 1975, I haven't felt any sort of "buzz" for many, many years -- but when I started vaping, the nincompoops told me to start with 18mg, and I had vaped for a couple hours before I got the sharp stomach pains. I thought it was gas, and took some Gas-X, but just a bit later, I also felt nauseous, so I put the vape down for the night -- kept on smoking, though.
But then I tried 12mg, and at first I thought it was ok, no dizziness to speak of, no sharp stomach pains... but after vaping for about 3 hrs, god I was so nauseous, I was eating ginger and dramamine like M&Ms. So I put that down too, realizing that I'd gotten too much sometime BEFORE I felt sick, but it had taken a while for my body to react to it.I will say this, about nicotine addiction: if you've never smoked and start vaping nicotine, then nicotine itself is not really very addictive at all; it's somewhat on the order of caffeine -- if you stop after becoming habituated to it, you might feel some slight discomforts, but nothing like the climbing-the-walls withdrawal that a smoker feels when ditching cigarettes cold-turkey. HOWEVER, if you vape WTA long enough to become habituated to it, and then stop, THEN you will probably feel a GREAT DEAL of discomfort, very much like a smoker ditching cigarettes -- those other alkaloids reinforce and strengthen nicotine's effects, and have some addictive potential of their own. If you want to avoid becoming seriously addicted, then I would definitely recommend that you not vape WTAs -- those of us ex-smokers who vape it have a much more serious reason to vape that stuff, because it helps us stay away from cigarettes, but for a non-smoker to start vaping it, you may not get all the really bad stuff that's in cigarettes, but you *would* be getting the full spectrum of addictive material, leading to a full-on addiction that would be very similar to cigarette addiction.
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I understand wanting to try vaping but why the nicotine if you have never smoked before. Hope your not addicted yet.
I agree with everything you said! I figured that if I had said nicotine wasn't that addictive then I would have been put down a lot. But I've done quite a bit of research on it before I started vaping about 6 months ago and came to the same conclusion that you mentioned. I read some on wtas and it seems to null the effects of the stimulant properties anyway, so that might not be what I was looking for.This is so true! I smoked for 39 yrs, and although I do recall feeling dizzy when I tried smoking at the skating rink in 1975, I haven't felt any sort of "buzz" for many, many years -- but when I started vaping, the nincompoops told me to start with 18mg, and I had vaped for a couple hours before I got the sharp stomach pains. I thought it was gas, and took some Gas-X, but just a bit later, I also felt nauseous, so I put the vape down for the night -- kept on smoking, though.
I will say this, about nicotine addiction: if you've never smoked and start vaping nicotine, then nicotine itself is not really very addictive at all; it's somewhat on the order of caffeine -- if you stop after becoming habituated to it, you might feel some slight discomforts, but nothing like the climbing-the-walls withdrawal that a smoker feels when ditching cigarettes cold-turkey. HOWEVER, if you vape WTA long enough to become habituated to it, and then stop, THEN you will probably feel a GREAT DEAL of discomfort, very much like a smoker ditching cigarettes -- those other alkaloids reinforce and strengthen nicotine's effects, and have some addictive potential of their own. If you want to avoid becoming seriously addicted, then I would definitely recommend that you not vape WTAs -- those of us ex-smokers who vape it have a much more serious reason to vape that stuff, because it helps us stay away from cigarettes, but for a non-smoker to start vaping it, you may not get all the really bad stuff that's in cigarettes, but you *would* be getting the full spectrum of addictive material, leading to a full-on addiction that would be very similar to cigarette addiction.
Andria
The thing I can't tell is if I'm vaping too low nicotine and I can't achieve the stimulant effects and the sedative is more from under oxygenation (oxygen displacement from the vaper) rather than the nicotine itself or if I vape too often and hit the sedation threshold too soon and not notice the stimulant effects beforehand.
Actually I think you *are* getting the stimulant effect, where apparently your body most needs it -- in the organization of the brain chemistry. When hyperactive kids are given ritalin, they don't *feel* stimulated, though that stuff is basically amphetamine; in fact they get *calm*. I have also observed this effect when I once took some prescription diet pills; rather than making me "speedy," they made me calm, feeling in control of my life, my time. I think that for you to actually feel any stimulant effect, you would need to need to vape such a high level that the negative side effects would be intolerable -- stomach pain (very sharp, like little knives jabbing from the inside), intense nausea, maybe even vomiting, extreme tremor -- that high a level is considered an overdose, and as Rickajho observed, is extremely unpleasant, potentially even dangerous.
You've never smoked, so you don't actually know what cigarettes give a smoker, but I can assure you, they're not pep pills; they're a great deal more like security blankets. If you want pep, drink coffee or Mtn Dew; the side effects of caffeine are just as unpleasant, but you can usually tell when you're getting to that point before it arrives, whereas with vaping, you could vape yourself all the way to the porcelain goddess AND BEYOND, yet it won't present immediately; by the time you're actually sick, you've already vaped even more, *more* than enough to make you sick.
Andria
Hi I agree with AndriaD. Aside from a very slight head rush when smoking the first cigarette after a longer-then-usual break I never felt that cigarettes felt like a stimulant at all. Nicotine is basically a stimulant but it doesn't have some kind of speedy or 'high' effect on a smoker. The sense of calm/relaxation a smoker feels doesn't stem from the nicotine effect itself, it's te fact that smoking a cigarette releaves the withdrawal symptoms from the last cigarette we smoked some time before. Nicotine has a very short half-life so smokers usually are in a constant state of withdrawal that can only be releaved by smoking another one.
I feel that you shouldn't be vaping nicotine looking for some kind of rush/stimulation. A few cups of strong coffee will have more effect in that respect. Since you've never been a smoker, my feeling is that you shouldn't be touching the stuff, but by all means you do as you please off course. I don't want to sound preachy and to each their own.
I feel that you shouldn't be vaping nicotine looking for some kind of rush/stimulation. A few cups of strong coffee will have more effect in that respect. Since you've never been a smoker, my feeling is that you shouldn't be touching the stuff, but by all means you do as you please off course. I don't want to sound preachy and to each their own.
I guess no one seems to realize that the head rush of smoking is due primarily to the inhalation of carbon monoxide, a compound with over 200 times the affinity of oxygen in your blood.
Seriously OP, with what is known about nicotine, to willingly consider using it to get a stimulant buzz is pretty shortsighted to say the least. The stimulant effects of nicotine are subtle; caffeine's effects are far more potent in that regard. Entirely your call!
Seriously OP, with what is known about nicotine, to willingly consider using it to get a stimulant buzz is pretty shortsighted to say the least. The stimulant effects of nicotine are subtle; caffeine's effects are far more potent in that regard. Entirely your call!
I'd have to agree with Andria. I have ADHD and have never had a stimulant effect from smoking or vaping. It's the opposite for me. Same thing happens if I have caffeine. I can drink 4 cups of coffee and take a nap. There are very few things that act as a stimulant for me. If you do have ADD then being over stimulated is not really a good thing.
So I ran out of ejuice for 2 days. I just got some today right after forgetting my morning coffee. Within the first 2 vapes I felt more awake, as if I just had my coffee. I guess I was just thinking it would have more of a stimulating impact than a behind the scenes one. [emoji6]
I think part of the issue is that you are expecting the alkaloid vaper containing nicotine to react like the acidic smoke of a cigarette. One has to remember that tobacco found in *most* cigarettes is so completely adulterated during processing that it barely resembles the original organic compound - and many of the chemicals added during the manufacture of 'sheet tobacco' (cig tobacco) are actually included to enhance the stimulating effects of nicotine (as well as bring that pH into the acidic range for lung absorption).
If you've ever smoked a pipe or stout cigar, you've probably noted that it puts you into a relaxed, contemplative state rather than the jittery, 'ready for action' state that a cigarette does - this is due to the natural depressant effects of the nicotine coming through in the more natural tobacco substance (which, incidentally, is also alkaloid requiring absorption through the mucous membranes). As a pipe-smoker, I can say that I have definitely fallen asleep moments after completing a bowl of a high-test tobacco - where as a midnight cig has me awake and ready for round two.
Finally, I'll also say you're likely barking up the wrong tree for the 'headrush' effect. While I do believe that the nicotine in cigarettes does play into this reaction, I suspect that once again, this is due to the plethora of other chemicals in the cigarette; and/or a lack of oxygen from the inhalation of smoke. I have found that one goes from 'happy medium' directly to 'niccups and sweats', missing the head-rush entirely when pipes, cigars, SNUS or nasal snuff are involved (at least in my experience...of course, YMMV based on body chemistry)...and, so far with vaping.
If you've ever smoked a pipe or stout cigar, you've probably noted that it puts you into a relaxed, contemplative state rather than the jittery, 'ready for action' state that a cigarette does - this is due to the natural depressant effects of the nicotine coming through in the more natural tobacco substance (which, incidentally, is also alkaloid requiring absorption through the mucous membranes). As a pipe-smoker, I can say that I have definitely fallen asleep moments after completing a bowl of a high-test tobacco - where as a midnight cig has me awake and ready for round two.
Finally, I'll also say you're likely barking up the wrong tree for the 'headrush' effect. While I do believe that the nicotine in cigarettes does play into this reaction, I suspect that once again, this is due to the plethora of other chemicals in the cigarette; and/or a lack of oxygen from the inhalation of smoke. I have found that one goes from 'happy medium' directly to 'niccups and sweats', missing the head-rush entirely when pipes, cigars, SNUS or nasal snuff are involved (at least in my experience...of course, YMMV based on body chemistry)...and, so far with vaping.
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