No Love For Genesis Tanks Now That KFLs Are So Popular?

[Myk]

High end gennys are worth the money the ask for....period,they give an incredible vape and they are dependable.....i could care less about devices..i spend my money on attys. I have modded a few high end attys, because I use ceramic wicks, but I'm not a collector or trader.....I consider long and hard on an atty before I buy it..it's not just something to be traded later on...lately I look more to attys that suit my requirements rather than mod stuff....one of the reasons I haven't bought a hellfire.

You could lend me one so I could clone it

I am going to make one at some point.

What do you think about trying ss cable with ekowool top sock...I've tried those builds and i was quite surprised with how good they were.

Haven't tried one (or cable). Seems like a hassle trying to slip ekowool over cable though, thought about trying that over mesh.

 

[Myk]

Out of curiosity, and laziness on my part to go look for the information, how are shorts caused on a Genny? Is it due to the cable/mesh touching the base, not oxidizing, or grounding out against something?

Also, by using mesh/cable, does that mean the genny will have to be periodically leveled @ around 90 degrees? With the cotton setup, the most tilting I will ever do is about 45 degrees from standing position, which is basically the position I vape on anyway, and haven't had a dry hit yet. I'm on my 5th tank cycle now, going through different flavors like its the first time again lol

I guess this is similar to the joy squonkers get with their REO's, drip quality vape without having to drip.

The mesh/cable is grounded out on the deck or base, the wire burns through carbon build up. A harder ground or higher voltage makes it worse (you should've seen it when I stacked with a dual TD and tried to dry burn at too high of volts).

I don't have to tilt except maybe at the very bottom of a tank. I make hollow mesh tubes. The air feeds down through the center and the liquid feeds up the outside. I can vape while the mod is in a stand and you can watch the bubbles. And that is with the fill hole plugged. No leaks when laid down either.
This is why I'm really not impressed with the gennies that don't build in a fill hole plug, going unplugged is a bad fix for the wrong problem. Not feeding is a wick fit problem (too tight).

 

[HawaiiVPR]

The mesh/cable is grounded out on the deck or base, the wire burns through carbon build up. A harder ground or higher voltage makes it worse (you should've seen it when I stacked with a dual TD and tried to dry burn at too high of volts).

I don't have to tilt except maybe at the very bottom of a tank. I make hollow mesh tubes. The air feeds down through the center and the liquid feeds up the outside. I can vape while the mod is in a stand and you can watch the bubbles. And that is with the fill hole plugged. No leaks when laid down either.
This is why I'm really not impressed with the gennies that don't build in a fill hole plug, going unplugged is a bad fix for the wrong problem. Not feeding is a wick fit problem (too tight).

So if I use mesh, would I need to roll it so it makes no contact on the sides of the wick hole and/or base? Am I correct to assume that with the fill hole plugged, it creates more vacuum effect to pull out the juice from the tank whenever you take a draw? Thanks in advance!

 

[Myk]

So if I use mesh, would I need to roll it so it makes no contact on the sides of the wick hole and/or base? Am I correct to assume that with the fill hole plugged, it creates more vacuum effect to pull out the juice from the tank whenever you take a draw? Thanks in advance!

It's going to ground. You need to oxidize or carbon the mesh up so it's insulated. Some people go though a big process of burning liquid or quenching (in which case they're insulating with calcium), others just pulse the coil and let it build up the oxidation where it needs to be.
I do a little burning, a little juice burning, a little pulsing and then I just vape a tank. After the first tank it's usually not going to short while vaping (it may while dry burning).
You should watch some videos on it.

Capillary action is what feeds mine. Liquid flows up and that pulls the air down through the center. The vacuum is what keeps the liquid from dripping out of the center (if you take out the plug it will drip out of the center of the wick).
Although if you want a shot of liquid (say you're puffing faster than it feeds) you can get a shot of liquid by covering the air hole in the cap. YMMV, that will flood my Pulse.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

i used ss mesh for about six months,but for the last year I've only vaped on ceramics....I may call on you for a tutorial on an advanced lesson in the set up using mesh....tips and dangers....lol

It's going to ground. You need to oxidize or carbon the mesh up so it's insulated. Some people go though a big process of burning liquid or quenching (in which case they're insulating with calcium), others just pulse the coil and let it build up the oxidation where it needs to be.
I do a little burning, a little juice burning, a little pulsing and then I just vape a tank. After the first tank it's usually not going to short while vaping (it may while dry burning).
You should watch some videos on it.

Capillary action is what feeds mine. Liquid flows up and that pulls the air down through the center. The vacuum is what keeps the liquid from dripping out of the center (if you take out the plug it will drip out of the center of the wick).
Although if you want a shot of liquid (say you're puffing faster than it feeds) you can get a shot of liquid by covering the air hole in the cap. YMMV, that will flood my Pulse.

 

[Myk]

i used ss mesh for about six months,but for the last year I've only vaped on ceramics....I may call on you for a tutorial on an advanced lesson in the set up using mesh....tips and dangers....lol

Ceramic is nice except for the breaking.

The only dangers I've come across is pulsing an unoxidized wick on a mech. That certain battery had no internal shut off and it got very hot very fast. Different batteries worked but it was hard on the batteries. Now I pulse on a Vamo or eVic @3v, when it shorts too hard it won't fire and I poke it until the ohms goes back up.
Not wanting to have to pulse on a mech is why I do a mix of oxidizing with a torch and then burning some liquid.

 

[WattWick]

Not a big fan of pulsing on a completely naked wick myself. Just more work for no perceivable benefit. I give my wicks a couple of quick juice burns. No torching.

It's mainly to clean the wick, but also to make the initial pulsing quicker and easier. I don't feel like manually washing my wicks, nor do I want to vape finger grease or remnant oils from production.

My experience is that a couple of juice burns don't affect flavor compared to completely unoxidized. Torching does affect flavor for me, tho. I'm sure there are various degrees of torching too

 

[Rule62]

I just do a quick light torching on the mesh before rolling the wick. Once it's installed in the coil, I pulse it until everything glows evenly.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

That works as long as your coils are above 1.2 ohms but I like to vape around .8 to 1 ohms...can't really pulse on VV.


I don't break ceramic wicks anymore,,,maybe one out of 20...But honestly and I would like to hear from all you mesh guys....the reasons I gave up on mesh are.
1) flavor.....ceramic gives such a clean flavor...on mesh I get this kind of heavy tone to the flaovr that comes from the mesh.....I have tried build with mesh where the flavor was pretty good, but I always got this slight metal flavor......is it me or just the nature of the material.
2) it seems mesh cooks the juice faster than ceramic...even now on ceramics I only fill my tank about half up to keep from cooking the juice tastless

3) with mesh my juice would get dark and dirty from the wick,and i wasn't vaping below .8...although truth be told I am a bit of a chain vapor.



It maybe like wattwick was saying....maybe it's the torching that affected the flavor I was the standard 3 cycles of torch and quench finishing up with a juice burn...also it was in the days before 319 ss?



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Ceramic is nice except for the breaking


The only dangers I've come across is pulsing an unoxidized wick on a mech. That certain battery had no internal shut off and it got very hot very fast. Different batteries worked but it was hard on the batteries. Now I pulse on a Vamo or eVic @3v, when it shorts too hard it won't fire and I poke it until the ohms goes back up.
Not wanting to have to pulse on a mech is why I do a mix of oxidizing with a torch and then burning some liquid.

 

[BuzzKilla]

As a self proclaimed Genny fan-boy... I am always seeking new build challenges.
My fav genny... Ti Steam Turbine

I just had to attack my new tank with a wicking material that i knew very well
The Estia by Gus Mods... with 500 SS mesh.

 

[Myk]

nor do I want to vape finger grease or remnant oils from production.

That's why I torch after rolling.
Never really liked the thought of other people's slobber and skin in hand rolled cigars either.

I did some twisted ribbon. That had a lot of chunks of finger in it after it was done.

That works as long as your coils are above 1.2 ohms but I like to vape around .8 to 1 ohms...can't really pulse on VV.


I don't break ceramic wicks anymore,,,maybe one out of 20...But honestly and I would like to hear from all you mesh guys....the reasons I gave up on mesh are.
1) flavor.....ceramic gives such a clean flavor...on mesh I get this kind of heavy tone to the flaovr that comes from the mesh.....I have tried build with mesh where the flavor was pretty good, but I always got this slight metal flavor......is it me or just the nature of the material.
2) it seems mesh cooks the juice faster than ceramic...even now on ceramics I only fill my tank about half up to keep from cooking the juice tastless

3) with mesh my juice would get dark and dirty from the wick,and i wasn't vaping below .8...although truth be told I am a bit of a chain vapor.



It maybe like wattwick was saying....maybe it's the torching that affected the flavor I was the standard 3 cycles of torch and quench finishing up with a juice burn...also it was in the days before 319 ss?



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You could pulse on a SVD at .8Ω - 1Ω. Although pulsing close to the shut off doesn't leave much room for shorting so requires more pulse and poke.

I think ceramic will give a cleaner flavor. You could be sensitive to metal flavors. I'm always inhaling metals working and playing so am probably immune to the flavor.

Cooking faster is good IMO. More flavor. The way I wrap (micro style ribbon so it's a solid wall of heat) turns my wick into a heating element.

I don't have a problem darkening liquid. I only torch to oxidize above the deck is my guess why.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

I haven't vaped on ss mesh for over a year....I switched to ceramic wicks, but after reading through this thread for old time sakes and all I decided to roll up a mesh wick set up for kicks.......I was really surprised, it was pretty damn good,not as good as my ceramics, but still damn good.

 

[JollyRogers]

I was vaping silica and ceramic wicks mostly and started developing having some breathing issues... back to SS mesh and after a while my problems stopped... for whatever it's worth, I'll stick with mesh now.