No need to Vape, Just eat Fruit & Veg

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Well I never

Check out the link

http://www.tobaccosolutions.net/nicotine-in-fruits-and-vegetables/

Many may already have known this but I didn't

This means that classing E-Liquid as a Tobacco product is wrong

Its a fruit & veg product !
It is an old news, and it has nothing to do with vaping.
By far he most nicotine-rich vegetable is eggplant, 100 ng/g of nicotine.
It means to eat 1 mg of nicotine we should eat 1 kg of eggplant. I am vaping now 5 ml of 8 mg juice daily, so I have about 40 mg of nic. To replace it with eggplant I should it 40 kg of it daily... If I want replacement therapy with other veggies such as potato or tomato, which has 10-14 times less nic than eggplant, I need to eat half a ton of them each day. Not an easy task, I am sure.
 

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It is an old news, and it has nothing to do with vaping.
By far he most nicotine-rich vegetable is eggplant, 100 ng/g of nicotine.
It means to eat 1 mg of nicotine we should eat 1 kg of eggplant. I am vaping now 5 ml of 8 mg juice daily, so I have about 40 mg of nic. To replace it with eggplant I should it 40 kg of it daily... If I want replacement therapy with other veggies such as potato or tomato, which has 10-14 times less nic than eggplant, I need to eat half a ton of them each day. Not an easy task, I am sure.

the point is not to eat nicotine fruits and veg

but rather to counter act the argument being made that as tobacco products they should be sin fined

not sure on current situation your side of the pond but here they are trying to apply massive taxes and control measures in the name of tobacco product
 

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Nicotine is maybe 25% of the "smoking problem" -- the other 75% is behavioral, and try as you might, you cannot inhale potatoes or tomatoes.

Really wish those utterly-clueless anti-smokers would mind their own damn business and leave everyone else alone.

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    the point is not to eat nicotine fruits and veg

    but rather to counter act the argument being made that as tobacco products they should be sin fined

    not sure on current situation your side of the pond but here they are trying to apply massive taxes and control measures in the name of tobacco product
    Main thing is "how much". Tobacco just stands apart from all the veggies in nicotine content.
    But let's talk about alcohol. A lot of foods contain natural alcohol. For example, some breads may contain up to 1 g of alcohol per 100 g of bread. One shot has about 17 g of alcohol. So,theoretically, I can have one shot by eating 1.7 kg of that bread (3.7 pounds). Should be bread classified as an alcoholic food?

    http://jat.oxfordjournals.org/content/22/3/181.full.pdf
    http://www.acgpubs.org/JCM/2013/Volume 7/Issue 1/2-JCM-13-11_02.pdf

    EDIT: afterthought: one shot is never enough...
     

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    Main thing is "how much". Tobacco just stands apart from all the veggies in nicotine content.
    But let's talk about alcohol. A lot of foods contain natural alcohol. For example, some breads may contain up to 1 g of alcohol per 100 g of bread. One shot has about 17 g of alcohol. So,theoretically, I can have one shot by eating 1.7 kg of that bread (3.7 pounds). Should be bread classified as an alcoholic food?

    http://jat.oxfordjournals.org/content/22/3/181.full.pdf
    http://www.acgpubs.org/JCM/2013/Volume 7/Issue 1/2-JCM-13-11_02.pdf

    EDIT: afterthought: one shot is never enough...

    And who's side are you on

    Your not supposed to fight the tax mans corner !
     

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    the point is not to eat nicotine fruits and veg

    but rather to counter act the argument being made that as tobacco products they should be sin fined

    not sure on current situation your side of the pond but here they are trying to apply massive taxes and control measures in the name of tobacco product

    It's an invalid argument.
    All the nicotine in ejuice actually comes from tobacco. We have to be honest with ourselves if we ever intend to win.

    It's not cost effective to extract nicotine from vegetables, but of you did and made ejuice, then you may have a valid argument for your brand.
    However you won't make a profit unless You charge $50 a ml.
     

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    By far he most nicotine-rich vegetable is eggplant, 100 ng/g of nicotine.
    It means to eat 1 mg of nicotine we should eat 1 kg of eggplant. I am vaping now 5 ml of 8 mg juice daily, so I have about 40 mg of nic. To replace it with eggplant I should it 40 kg of it daily...

    I calculated it as 10 kg of eggplant and not 1kg. I read it that to get 100ng of nicotine you need to eat 1g of an eggplant. Since 1 million ng = 1mg so...

    100ng of nicotine = 1g
    1,000,000ng of nicotine = 10000g
    So it should be 10,000g or 10kg of eggplant for just 1mg of nicotine
     

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    It's an invalid argument.
    All the nicotine in ejuice actually comes from tobacco. We have to be honest with ourselves if we ever intend to win.

    It's not cost effective to extract nicotine from vegetables, but of you did and made ejuice, then you may have a valid argument for your brand.
    However you won't make a profit unless You charge $50 a ml.


    Sorry, but I beg to differ.

    Very conveniently, in the ANTZ's book, Pharma NRT's are not considered tobacco products - and unlike our liquids, ALL of them have nicotine.
    But they rushed to demonize e-cigs as a new "tobacco product", when there's no tobacco matter in there (unlike Snus, for example), and there even might be *no* nicotine in there. Are they being "honest" with us?


    The simple fact that nicotine is extracted from tobacco *today*, only because it is *cheaper* that way, should not be enough to classify something as a "tobacco" product. There *are* other sources in Nature, and someday, it might be cheaper to make it in a lab.

    Exactly like it happened with *insulin*.
    Even when it was *extracted* from the pancreas of pigs and oxen, (until the mid 80's), insulin was never considered a "pork product", like ham or bacon. That would be silly, since healthy humans *also* produce it. And because there were other known sources, and other predictable methods of production in the future - today, it's bioengineered in a lab.

    A "tobacco product" *should* have plant matter in it to be considered as such. No matter how Science evolves, we'll *always* need tobacco to produce cigarettes and Snus, for example. That *might* not be true in the future, for e-cigs and NRT's alike.


    Think about coffe, for example. Is it a coffe product? Sure. I do *need* coffe to make a cup of coffe. Does it have caffeine? Yes, it does.

    How about decaf? Is it a coffe product? Sure. How on Earth would I be able mo make decaf without coffe beans?
    However, does it have *caffeine*? Well, as the name implies... no. :)

    How about black tea? Does it have caffeine? Sure. Do I need coffe to make a cup of black tea? No.

    How about Red Bull, or NRG? Do they have caffeine? Yep. Are they considered coffe products? Tea products? "Cottea" producs?

    None of the above. They are simply considered soft drinks with added caffeine.


    We should not fall under the ANTZ's biased rethoric, because they are the ones NOT being honest. They have yet to make up their minds: either e-cigs AND Pharma NRT's are to be considered "tobacco products" (Putting "respectable" Pharma NRT's under the all-too-negative "tobacco stigma" as well), or they must be BOTH considered "nicotine-containing, non-tobacco products", because there's no tobacco plant matter in there - and therefore, BOTH of those products *might* be produced differently in the future.
     

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    It's an invalid argument.
    All the nicotine in ejuice actually comes from tobacco. We have to be honest with ourselves if we ever intend to win.

    It's not cost effective to extract nicotine from vegetables, but of you did and made ejuice, then you may have a valid argument for your brand.
    However you won't make a profit unless You charge $50 a ml.

    Shall drilling was at one time considered too expensive for profit, but now its being done routinely and we all see the benefits at the pump.

    We used to be a Nation of problem solvers. Now, we just take the line that`s fed to us, usually from the left, and say it cant be done. Really, CANT BE DONE?
     

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    Shall drilling was at one time considered too expensive for profit, but now its being done routinely and we all see the benefits at the pump.

    At sub $50/barrel, most domestic oil drilling has come to a crawl. Gas is lower because mid East oil producers have been keeping the prices artificially low to put an end to domestic drilling, as it isn't so profitable at $46/barrel...
     
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