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[bombastinator]

On the subject of fake news. Whenever I hear folks talking about the mainstream media it makes me think of my favorite TV show, Ancient Aliens. Like when they say, mainstream archeologists assert that the pyramids were built by Egyptians 5000 years ago, but ancient alien theorists believe...

The mainstream media has problems but the alternatives are almost always far worse. People reject the regular media sources and immediately fall into a black hole of ACTUAL fake news. Entirely made up junk. It isn't that hard to check out the news with a bit of healthy skepticism. It helps to look at stuff you don't like as well as stuff you do like, which a lot of people don't do any more.

It’s very rare for propaganda to be entirely false. They need a lead of reality. Something true or almost true to attach to.

The most common method is to take some thing almost true, call it entirely true and then riff off the false bit, or attach something untrue to something true, call them both true, and then abandon the true part for the false one.

Exaggeration of minimal statistics is another. If 99% of something is one way but 1% of it is another you can say “some” and get away with it. “Some” sounds much bigger than “1%”. This would be a variation on the “almost true” thing.

 

[Beamslider]

Someone with an agenda of their own is feeding the News groups and reporters what they want them to hear and report. A large problem with many of the reporters is also that they don't understand what they are reporting on so giving inaccurate or misleading reports with or without knowing it.

Another problem is that people basically only read or listen to the headline...They don't pay attention to the entire story. So crafting a misleading headline is easy while burying the information in the middle or end of the article or report.

 

[CMD-Ky]

IMO, Crayon colors should not be used by adults that wish to be taken seriously.
Don't even get me started on "comic sans".

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I would post my response in the WingDings font but the ECF is so narrow minded that the forum does not offer it.

 

[bombastinator]

Someone with an agenda of their own is feeding the News groups and reporters what they want them to hear and report. A large problem with many of the reporters is also that they don't understand what they are reporting on so giving inaccurate or misleading reports with or without knowing it.

Another problem is that people basically only read or listen to the headline...They don't pay attention to the entire story. So crafting a misleading headline is easy while burying the information in the middle or end of the article or report.

Headline manipulation is another major Murdoch innovation that has become ubiquitous. It was developed in the tabloid days. Something can be technically true but effectively false if the actual facts are stated in vague terms and buried in the body copy.

 

[puffon]

Headline manipulation is another major Murdoch innovation that has become ubiquitous. It was developed in the tabloid days. Something can be technically true but effectively false if the actual facts are stated in vague terms and buried in the body copy.

It was developed long before Murdoch and tabloids.

 

[bombastinator]

I would post my response in the WingDings font but the ECF is so narrow minded that the forum does not offer it.

Now if only they would get rid of comic sans. Looking at my font list I’m seeing only 5, of which courier new (as opposed to courier, they are different) is the least readable but all the other ones I see are pretty innocuous.

Since we’re all looking at screens at the moment, Serif fonts are for larger screens San serif ones such as Ariel are for smaller ones because the text lines are shorter. I’m using Ariel atm for my phone.

 

[bombastinator]

It was developed long before Murdoch and tabloids.

True. It’s been around as long as there have been newspapers. His practice refined and developed it to an extreme though. The national enquirer famously had several times more people working on the headline than the actual copy. And they were paid more for it.

 

[VHRB2014]

When your news is being delivered by children, its most likely fake.

 

[LaZeR]

Try the Fox News channel? They are actually reporting what is going on and are very critical of the vaping ban. Not 100%--I've seen a few "save the children" segments, but those were few and far between. Bret Baier, Martha MacCallum, Dr. Drew Pinsky, Judge Andrew Napolitano, Greg Gutfeld, Shep Smith and several others are very critical of the misinformation and media hysteria and the bans. The Wall Street Journal had a fantastic editorial in defense of e-cigarettes. Just to name a few sources other the CNN&Co. Here's one very sensible conversation: Will a vaping ban send smokers back to cigarettes?

Ya, agree, that's why I didn't include FOX in the OP ~ I think this is the first time I've ever been impressed by FOX! lol

However, don't think all those people you've mentioned should be included, especially shep smith who is a die hard thumper for terrible vaping mis-information: "hey, look, I got this piece of paper in my hand, and it says vaping is dangerous".

 

[Katya]

However, don't think all those people you've mentioned should be included, especially shep smith who is a die hard thumper for terrible vaping mis-information: "hey, look, I got this piece of paper in my hand, and it says vaping is dangerous".

True that. But later he had Napolitano on his show and actually let him talk...

I just saw a piece on Fox News Channel with Shepherd Smith and Judge Andrew Napolitano, a former NJ judge and Judicial Analyst for FNC. It was a pretty balanced piece that pointed out the insanity of the bans, mentioned that it would likely force people back to smoking, etc. etc. Napolitano, who is a libertarian, said the governments in MI and NY will lose challenges to the bans because the bans weren't based on facts, and there aren't facts to form a legal basis for a ban. I hope he is right, but I'm continuing to stock up.

 

[Rossum]

You really think this one thing will swing the election?

Unclear. If you look at the margins in the swing states in 2016, you'll see it wouldn't have taken a whole lot of people who decided to stay home to have had a different outcome. In any case, it wouldn't be a bad thing if he thought it might.

 

[bombastinator]

Unclear. If you look at the margins in the swing states in 2016, you'll see it wouldn't have taken a whole lot of people who decided to stay home to have had a different outcome. In any case, it wouldn't be a bad thing if he thought it might.

When your news is being delivered by children, its most likely fake.

Part of the issue is electoral college stuff makes things a lot odder than they used to be. The last two {republican} presidents lost the popular vote but still took the electoral college.

 

[United States]

The "are you done stocking up" thread began in 2016 because of threats ban vaping.
It's nothing new.
Rush Limbaugh talked about it this week. He vaped back in 2011 instead of smoking cigars. He spoke of back then most did not know what a vaper was but as soon as they saw them they wanted that banned too.

 

[LaZeR]

Part of the issue is electoral college stuff makes things a lot odder than they used to be. The last two presidents lost the popular vote but still took the electoral college.

Last Two?? Trump lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes. Obama won the popular vote in 2008 & 2012. Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 but won it in 2004. Of course all of the above imply winning the electoral college.

 

[Fidola13]

This is extremely annoying & frustrating:

After around a DECADE of eCigs & vaping with no issues, for the FIRST TIME ~ and ONLY in the PAST FEW WEEKS of 2019 ~ have issues EVER been reported (in the media).

WHY are they NOT reporting that some people are doing things incorrectly, inappropriately, and sometimes including THC, or other substances in tanks, etc?? There's also the issue of COUNTERFEIT products being sold in the market.

"They" refers to the media & news, major networks like ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and channels in Canada.

"They" are supposed to be investigative journalists who conduct research, not just blow ignorant & uneducated hot steam. I am extremely disappointed by some I always highly respected, like Sanjay Gupta, all the Cuomo's, and more. How do the latter profit from their disservice?!?

If NO ISSUES were ever reported in OVER TEN YEARS isn't all this SUDDEN, IMPRECISE, & INACCURATE hype, camouflaged as "reporting", biased and unfair?? Thanks!!

I daily tweet basically the same thing to ALL the major news networks and top “journalists” every day.

My conspiracy mind is saying that all the news media in this country is owned by 7 - yep 7 - families and they all probably have millions in investments in Big T. And Big Pharm. let’s not forget the billions they have to lose if people choose vaping instead of pills, patches and gum.

 

[bombastinator]

Last Two?? Trump lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes. Obama won the popular vote in 2008 & 2012. Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 but won it in 2004. Of course all of the above imply winning the electoral college.

Sorry. “Last two republican won elections”

It’s an issue of shifting demographics. Because there is a minimum number of electors from any state places that are far below the minimum number effectively have their individual votes count for more. As people abandon rural areas and move to cities the problem gets more pronounced.

It’s been a known upcoming issue since the 70’s

 

[LaZeR]

I daily tweet basically the same thing to ALL the major news networks and top “journalists” every day. My conspiracy mind is saying that all the news media in this country is owned by 7 - yep 7 - families and they all probably have millions in investments in Big T. And Big Pharm. let’s not forget the billions they have to lose if people choose vaping instead of pills, patches and gum.

Ya well that's exactly the point of the OP in that: a) it's only very few (relatively speaking) vapers & advocates (albeit there are millions of us) that are broadcasting facts & truth but on a tiny scale, up against: b) fake "news" coming from major networks which is the most powerful & extenuating medium.

 

[Dacholiday Dach]

Ya well that's exactly the point of the OP in that: a) it's only very few vapers & advocates that are broadcasting facts & truth but on a tiny scale, up against: b) fake "news" coming from major networks which is the most powerful & extenuating medium.

But to be fair, news is just repeating what they are told over and over. The powers that be are not stressing the real facts, and the CDC will never ever admit the truth, to do so would be basically against the healthcare privacy laws. So they say, some, or even most, were vaping illicit substances, but they will never tell the whole story, and henceforth, we get thrown under the bus, and people continue to die from using these illegal pods or carts. Then the bus backs up and runs over us when they outlaw it all, and people will still die.

 

[stols001]

Comic sans nowadays is used by professionals only when they want someone to not read something.

Or people putting up signs that say "Ladies please be neat do not tinkle on the seat." Based on my assessment of ladies toilets, they don't want you to read those either. I am an UNABASHED NONBELIEVER in squatting above a seat and splashing it with your foul emissions, and then to be NOT even BOTHERING to WIPE IT UP.

I believe toilet seats are to be used, and I have gotten REAL careful about CHECKING the damn seat and I even pack handi-wipes for the occasion. Every so often I am in a rush or something my ADHD cuts in and I don't check and then there I am, ...... in a women's toilet with SOME OTHER female's freaking PEE on me and YEA I use the handi-wipes after and YEA urine is USUALLY sterile. But sometimes I wish we just had urinals.

It's actually the best RATIONALE for like, using the opposite sex's bathroom I can THIINK of actually I bet DUDES don't go all APE about aiming FOR the seat, in fact they LEAVE it up. I am always MORE than happy to lower a toilet seat.

Yeah, when that happens, I really think fiercely to myself, "HUMAN RACE. YOU DESERVE TO DIE. YOU HAVE CREATED PLUMBING that ACTUALLY WORKS and then you hover over the damn thing like a hovercraft with NO AIM.

I always sincerely hope that the lady in question always sincerely like, pees down her leg. Then catches syphilis. Only AFTER she pees on my TOILET SEAT!!!!!!!!!!!

I am doing a BILLION of those signs in TIMES new ROMAN font one BILLION! Never have I been so happy to learn why I hate something which MAY have the power to cure ANOTHER hated thing of mine. LOL.

Anna

 

[Dacholiday Dach]

Or people putting up signs that say "Ladies please be neat do not tinkle on the seat." Based on my assessment of ladies toilets, they don't want you to read those either. I am an UNABASHED NONBELIEVER in squatting above a seat and splashing it with your foul emissions, and then to be NOT even BOTHERING to WIPE IT UP.

I believe toilet seats are to be used, and I have gotten REAL careful about CHECKING the damn seat and I even pack handi-wipes for the occasion. Every so often I am in a rush or something my ADHD cuts in and I don't check and then there I am, ...... in a women's toilet with SOME OTHER female's freaking PEE on me and YEA I use the handi-wipes after and YEA urine is USUALLY sterile. But sometimes I wish we just had urinals.

It's actually the best RATIONALE for like, using the opposite sex's bathroom I can THIINK of actually I bet DUDES don't go all APE about aiming FOR the seat, in fact they LEAVE it up. I am always MORE than happy to lower a toilet seat.

Yeah, when that happens, I really think fiercely to myself, "HUMAN RACE. YOU DESERVE TO DIE. YOU HAVE CREATED PLUMBING that ACTUALLY WORKS and then you hover over the damn thing like a hovercraft with NO AIM.

I always sincerely hope that the lady in question always sincerely like, pees down her leg. Then catches syphilis. Only AFTER she pees on my TOILET SEAT!!!!!!!!!!!

I am doing a BILLION of those signs in TIMES new ROMAN font one BILLION! Never have I been so happy to learn why I hate something which MAY have the power to cure ANOTHER hated thing of mine. LOL.

Anna

Every word is so true. The only people causing unsanitary toilets are the stupid old women hovering over the toilet seats.