No one talks organic?

[mgmixology]

I scavenge through the DIY often and I keep coming across some of the same few things. Also I am a very logical thinker (bull....ter).

1. My juices taste like chemicals - You are probably right, profit is a strong point when it comes to business (retailers, distributors, etc). This means some of the flavors you are obtaining have been nickel and dimed down to the cheapest origin. Synthetic and artificial flavoring is obviously going to be the cheapest and also lack the most important factor. Flavor. I wont get too into this because I prefer to lack the debate but, we are natural beings...and our body is one of the most perfect machines on the planet. So all the artificial/processed/preserved is going to contain many more chemicals interrupting the flavor you seek. (granted you can obtain great flavor with these you may be ingesting more ingredients than you think!) That is if you look at the source. Our food market has been ruined (Ex. A supermarket contains 98% products that are harmful for your body, the 2% lay in the organic isle...if there even is one) Your every day items, Tooth paste, laundry detergent, hand soap, shampoo, cleaning supplies all probably leaning towards the side of unhealthy.
Food for thought ( literally ;p haha)

^ first time inserting a pic I hope you can click to enlarge to put things into perspective.
So if a vendor takes this conventional strawberry...and...extracts its flavor Do you think the flavor will hold up against the organic strawberry? Where the comparison gets even worse, is Take an artificial/synthetic strawberry flavor and match that up against the conventional, then the organic..


All in all, I would just hope to open one eye in the DIY department. The basis of this post is we all want the best tasting, most satisfying juice. Dip your hand in the organic department and you just might find what you're looking for !

thanks for reading

 

[Spazmelda]

Are you saying that there are no chemicals in an organic strawberry?

 

[mgmixology]

Are you saying that there are no chemicals in an organic strawberry?

instant offense. *face palm*
I will not be debating anything in this thread.

Take the information or leave it.

 

[Aheadatime]

I hear where you're coming from. I'm a lacto-ovo-vegetarian and eat strictly non-GMO foods, but it would be difficult to translate such a lifestyle choice into the world of DIY. First of all, extracting fruits is proving to be very difficult. I've had some luck with dehydrated apples, but even those ended up tasting incredibly weak. Usually our low-tech methods of extraction end up either not concentrated enough or filled with a bunch of other things we didn't want in the mix, which leave it either tasting off or ruining coils/tanks. Generally speaking, I'm not sure exactly where the flavor molecules in our concentrates are coming from or how they are able to isolate/mimick them without issue, but it doesn't have me worried to be honest.

*Uninformed hypothesis based on a complete lack of science incoming*

Lets say for example this molecule called "gleechkey" is what makes lemons taste so lemon-y. So some scientists extract that molecule from a lemon, be it organic or Monsanto style. I'm not sure whether or not we would get any of the negative baggage of Monsanto's tampering during the extraction/isolation process, and it could get even weirder if "gleechkey" was present/extracted in/from other random things like banana leaves.

That is assuming that we are actually receiving genuine flavor molecules from the source. Generally speaking, we really have no idea what the heck these concentrates are made of other than the few words they put on the bottle (natural and artificial ingredients, which is immensely vague terminology). This is one of the foggy areas of vaping since it is a relatively young realm. So long as we remain diligent and communicative throughout our experimentation process (which imo, were still undergoing as a community), than we can continue to perfect what exactly were putting into our bodies (ex, Diacetyl). I'd say were doing pretty good too, considering that we used to be constantly puffing on corporate-sold chemical sticks that were universally understood as cancer causing and life-inhibiting in every way possible.

Health aside, I'm pretty content with the flavor that I'm getting from my DIY ventures thus far. I have been doing some natural extracts and have also been experimenting with vendor concentrates, and I can't say I'm disappointed in the flavors that I've been creating. Perhaps if we could discover how these extracts are going on in a more low-tech fashion and do so using only locally farmed organic fruits, then we would know for sure if we were getting the short-end of the stick regarding taste. That time isn't here yet, though.

 

[the_vape_nerd]

ive never understood what is even meant by the terms "organic" or "natural"....everything is natural...even styrofoam is natural....yes man put this together in a laboratory using machinery and so on...but man is a part of nature, and so are all of his inventions

if something isn't natural then what is it? super-natural?

organic means from the earth...well everything here is "from the earth" including laboratory equipment, synthentic chemicals and all the rest...man is a part of nature just like any other animal

 

[Aheadatime]

ive never understood what is even meant by the terms "organic" or "natural"....everything is natural...even styrofoam is natural....yes man put this together in a laboratory using machinery and so on...but man is a part of nature, and so are all of his inventions

if something isn't natural then what is it? super-natural?

organic means from the earth...well everything here is "from the earth" including laboratory equipment, synthentic chemicals and all the rest...man is a part of nature just like any other animal

I agree with you completely. By "organic", we generally mean "un-tampered with" when it comes to the foods we eat. There are a multitude of studies that indicate highly genetically modified foods (anything by Monsanto including 90% of US corn and soy) cause liver issues, disrupt insulin levels, provoke auto-immune response, and contribute to poor intestinal health (leaky gut syndrome in children especially). There were also indications of cancerous tumors in rats who were fed a strict GMO diet vs the tumor-free rats who were fed a non-GMO diet, etc.

Philosophically speaking, everything is natural, including man's decisions, inventions, tampering, etc. You're correct. But that doesn't mean that everything is equal health-wise. By this train of thought, cigarettes are natural, organic, etc., yet we all know they're awful for us.

 

[mgmixology]

http://www.relfe.com/2010/aspartame_ant_cockroach_poison.html
aspartame is probably found "naturally" some where....doesnt mean its a great health choice. even ants know better

 

[Traver]

Organic doesn't mean safe. Some of the deadliest chemicals known are organic. You can't assume that because something is safe to eat it is also safe to vape.

 

[Aheadatime]

Organic doesn't mean safe. Some of the deadliest chemicals known are organic. You can't assume that because something is safe to eat it is also safe to vape.

Another good point that discouraged me from extracting my own fruits. I would be doing so unprofessionally and without proper knowledge as to what compounds/chemicals I would be extracting from the fruits, and which of those would be safe to inhale.

 

[mgmixology]

Organic doesn't mean safe. Some of the deadliest chemicals known are organic. You can't assume that because something is safe to eat it is also safe to vape.

im talking about buying organic flavors as opposed to natural artificial. ones safe for vaping.
holy ........some people...

ALL this post was intended for was to try out some organic flavors instead of natural and artificial, and see if you cant get a nice juice made for yourself. good god this forum is always warfare...

 

[mgmixology]

Another good point that discouraged me from extracting my own fruits. I would be doing so unprofessionally and without proper knowledge as to what compounds/chemicals I would be extracting from the fruits, and which of those would be safe to inhale.

I love your posts, and appreciate your time, but no where did i mention doing the extraction process urself

 

[Aheadatime]

I love your posts, and appreciate your time, but no where did i mention doing the extraction process urself

Thank you. The point is universal, however, that something safe to eat might not be safe to inhale, and the same goes for vendor organic flavor concentrates as well. We can't assume that because something is FDA approved, Organic, Fair Trade safe to eat that it should be inhaled. This is what I meant in my initial post by this ecig realm being a very young one. Truth be told, we are all lab rats when it comes to even inhaling VG and PG for prolonged periods of time. There is no real answer to your question, as organic or not, these flavors may not be safe to inhale over long periods of time, as they all require a carrying agent other than water. If you wanted to make the safest choice health-wise and continue to vape, I would suggest getting some nic and mixing it with Essential Depot's VG/PG with some distilled water and vaping unflavored nic. Doesn't clash with anything you eat/drink and minimizes the list of questionable ingredients.

 

[FACE MEAT]

instant offense. *face palm*
I will not be debating anything in this thread.

Take the information or leave it.

You can't start a thread that debates the merits and drawbacks of "organic" and "synthetic" and expect members with differing viewpoints not to chime in.

You seem convinced that your opinion is the only one that matters, so I won't bother arguing with you. However, don't expect other members to have the same restraint.

 

[skoot]

im talking about buying organic flavors as opposed to natural artificial. ones safe for vaping.
holy ........some people...

ALL this post was intended for was to try out some organic flavors instead of natural and artificial, and see if you cant get a nice juice made for yourself. good god this forum is always warfare...

I'm on this path. I use Nature's Flavors organic line exclusively and mix my own juice, 100% VG. There is a whole thread on nature's flavors with recipes.

 

[Hoosier]

I always find these thread entertaining. Been reading them for years and the luster is still there...

 

[mgmixology]

Thank you. The point is universal, however, that something safe to eat might not be safe to inhale, and the same goes for vendor organic flavor concentrates as well. We can't assume that because something is FDA approved, Organic, Fair Trade safe to eat that it should be inhaled. This is what I meant in my initial post by this ecig realm being a very young one. Truth be told, we are all lab rats when it comes to even inhaling VG and PG for prolonged periods of time. There is no real answer to your question, as organic or not, these flavors may not be safe to inhale over long periods of time, as they all require a carrying agent other than water. If you wanted to make the safest choice health-wise and continue to vape, I would suggest getting some nic and mixing it with Essential Depot's VG/PG with some distilled water and vaping unflavored nic. Doesn't clash with anything you eat/drink and minimizes the list of questionable ingredients.

back to us being perfect machines. Our body naturally rids of toxins. IF provided with the proper nutrition it will run at an essential level getting rid of an essential level of toxins....the ammount of conflicting substances being ingested at 1-3ml per day would probably have little to no effect on someone who EATS properly. you prob know as well as I how important nurtrition is

 

[mgmixology]

You can't start a thread that debates the merits and drawbacks of "organic" and "synthetic" and expect members with differing viewpoints not to chime in.

You seem convinced that your opinion is the only one that matters, so I won't bother arguing with you. However, don't expect other members to have the same restraint.

theres different posts for different viewing points.....arguing is a choice and its going off topic of the original post if such is done. Because the post may have not been for you ...and your view points.

Keep in mind i do vape artificial flavors and organic flavors.

 

[Nermal]

im talking about buying organic flavors as opposed to natural artificial. ones safe for vaping.
holy ........some people...

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Help me out, sir. In what way do you perceive organic to be different than "natural".

 

[Hoosier]

Because the post may have not been for you ...and your view points.

Seriously? I'm going to grab some popcorn because that is so darn classy.

 

[mgmixology]

im talking about buying organic flavors as opposed to natural artificial. ones safe for vaping.
holy ........some people...

QUOTE]

Help me out, sir. In what way do you perceive organic to be different than "natural".

google organic vs natural..