Non-Face-to-Face Sale and Distribution of Tobacco Products and Advertising, Promotion, and Marketing of Tobacco Products Deadline Extended to Jan. 19t

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twohandedcreations

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Left 1,000+ words yesterday!!

More people need to comment....this ain't lookin good folks! I don't know of ANY face-to-face shops in Southeast Missouri for supplies toher than the complete e-cig you get at truckstops. I've have my set up that's working for me but without e-liquid there's no use in having it.

unfortunately, most "face-toface" shops that do exist, buy their products through the internet also, so i believe that alot of them will fall victim as well!! this is a far bigger deal then some people realize!!
 

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Done here is my comment, Seeing how they were using the term tobacco products that is what I used.

I would like to comment on the ease of minors in obtaining tobacco products from non-face to face sales on the internet.

Or I should say difficulties minors face when making such a purchase.
Frist the need of a credit card being a minor a parent or guardian has access to all purchase records.

Next is the need of a delivery address, what parent would not be a bit curious about a package addressed to their child.

Yes a minor could have it shipped to someone else but that just adds to the level of difficulty to the purchase. Far easier to have an older friend buy it for them at a gas station, Then to go thru all of the above and wait up to a week to receive their purchase at the risk of being caught by their parents.

There are more than enough difficulties in place to detour sales to minors without burdening a niche market with more regulations. It is after all the parents reasonability to monitor their children not the FDAs

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How can I say anything to politicians without cursing them out!

Sometimes it ain't easy.

BUT...if you start talking to me by cursing me out, I tend to tune you out.

Same for politicos. So be forceful, but respectful. No curse words, but...make sure to say (politely) that this regulation could make it harder for people to get products which reduce the damage of tobacco addiction, and that therefore this regulation will kill people.

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Ande
 

Vocalek

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Before implementing a solution, it is important to verify that there is a problem. If so, it is important to evaluate the level of harm being caused the the problem.

I suspect that if the government were to survey kids who use tobacco, they would find out that most kids obtain their products face-to-face from their friends, or they steal the products. If any kids are purchasing tobacco products over the internet or via mail order, what level of harm is represented by the products they are buying?

Are they buying the deadliest product...tobacco cigarettes? Or are they buying products that might expose them to nicotine, but that do not expose them to deadly tar, poisonous gasses, particulates, and thousands of chemicals of combustion?

The PACT act already takes care of most of the potential problem of purchases made by a minor, because an adult signature is required for delivery of tobacco products. If very few kids are buying tobacco products in non-face-to-face transactions, additional restrictions on internet or mail order sales will only serve to prevent adults from purchasing products that are helping them to refrain from smoking.
 

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Over the last two days I've tried to access that web page many times. Every time I get "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage." So, here's my comment, if I could leave one:

I coach pony league baseball (ages 13-15, or seventh through ninth grade), and I and two partners run a pony-level baseball association. During the 2011 seasons (from late April through early November), I attended and/or coached in maybe 80 games and saw over 300 different players, virtually all of whom are friendly and know me as "the Commish." I've developed good rapport with a lot of them.

During this whole period, with the knowledge beforehand of our other two commissioners, I vaped frequently at games. No one -- players coaches or attending parents -- had any problem whatsoever with this. I would have heard about it, as I've constantly heard about cigarette smoking over the years.

A grand total of five players approached me with serious questions, all from the standpoint of trying to get parents or older siblings to convert to vaping. NOT ONE was in the least bit interested in vaping him or herself -- I know because I always asked. So much for personal vaporizers and vaping being irresistible to kids: in my experience, they plainly aren't.

About 25 parents also approached me, and again, the questions mostly had to do with converting.

Via samples of disposables I handed out to parents, plus lots of support, I got five formerly smoking parents to convert. They're all happy vapers now. All of them had unsuccessfully tried quitting cigarettes multiple times. One dad had become violent when he'd tried to quit cigarettes at the insistence of his anti-smoking wife. They had divorced. After he became a vaper, his personality totally changed for the better, and he and his ex-wife are talking about getting back together again. His shrink opined that quitting nicotine had probably been a significant contributor to his becoming violent.

All of these parents obtain their vaping supplies online. If that option were to disappear, since there are essentially NO retail stores selling these supplies, I suspect most if not all of those folks would go back to smoking cigarettes.
 
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