URGENT - FDA needs comments!!

[washvap]

E-cigs is on the verge of being banned and there's only 50 signatures? COME ON PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MaxUT]

A calm and collected argument carried more weight than a rant coming from passion.

I'm more of a 'pitchforks and torches' man myself.

"KILL THE MONSTER!!!!"

 

[frosting]

E-cigs is on the verge of being banned and there's only 50 signatures? COME ON PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

srsly


BUMPIN FOR A REALLY IMPORTANT CAUSE

 

[bassworm]

Someone may also want to leave a reply about how states are cutting budgets and with those cuts the first things to go are non-essential services, like smoking cessation programs , leaving someone who wants to smoke with little help other than turning to something like NRT and finding information on their own.

 

[proax9]

I don't get it.... I stumbled upon this thread after reading a disturbing notice from a vendor in the Deals & Steals thread- that they will no longer sell e liquid- due to possible upcoming FDA actions.
This should be at the top of the NEW POSTS due to everyone posting their comment tracking number.
Your Comment Tracking Number: 80f7c955

People- this is real!!!
I refuse to be 'FORCED BY THE FDA- to START SMOKING AGAIN".

From deals & Steals:
This has me really worried...but get it while you can!

Due to current uncertainty in the Electronic Cigarette industry SmartVapes is moving away from selling ejuice and focusing on what we do best, the hardware, parts and accessories, therefore we are having a huge %20 off all ejuice sale for the next couple weeks until we have depleted our Ejuice Supplies! Stock up on your favorite SmartVapes Ejuice because we are not sure when it will be back at this time! Future sales of Ejuice after the 28th of December will depend largely on the direction the FDA takes in the near future. We have a large following of our Ejuice line however after December 28 you will not be able to order our Ejuice through the SmartVapes website. No coupon codes are needed for this sale and we will still be the place to go for all your Electronic Cigarette replacement parts, Mods and accessories in the future.

Thanks!
Allan Bullock
SmartVapes Electronic Cigarettes and Ejuice

 

[Brew1961]

Just added my signature and can only hope that someone looks at these petitions.

 

[mandra]

Your Comment Tracking Number: 80f7c975

 

[BiffRocko]

I took a slightly different approach:

While I can agree that stronger controls should be put in place to confirm the age of a purchaser, banning the sale of a product online because a minor might also purchase it deprives law abiding adults of legal age of the right to do so as well.

This sort of overreaching legislation is short sighted, and does not serve to protect those it claims to protect. Despite current legislation, minors have still been able to obtain tobacco products with ease.

A more prudent approach to solving this problem is continuing the education campaign against the use of tobacco products. History has shown us that this has been the most effective way to reduce the use of tobacco products by children.

 

[LadyLynx]

Your Comment Tracking Number: 80f7ca7d

 

[zodduska]

mine's 80f7cb1b

forgot to copy / paste it.

 

[Raynen]

80f7c854

I basically explained why it is MUCH easier for a minor to purchase tobacco products in person rather than online.

A minor could use another person's ID. A minor usually does not have a credit card, and then they would have to WAIT for the package, and hope that nobody SEES the package in the mail. A minor could ask someone to get their cigarettes, which is a quick and frequently done process. A minor would NOT WANT TO WAIT ABOUT A WEEK TO GET ONE PACK OF CIGARETTES OR ANY TOBACCO RELATED PRODUCT.

 

[minigoat]

badum-bump

 

[Nervous]

Your Comment Tracking Number: 80f7cc99

Here's my comment:

Banning the sale of these items via the internet won't stem the tide of under-age sales. Banning something "makes a statement" but offers no solution to the larger problem at hand: the lack of adequate education about the dangers of tobacco use.

Instead of creating a law that is easily circumvented (simply by asking somebody else to buy a product for you) I would strongly urge our lawmakers to focus on education.

"Making a statement" about something might allow one to obtain more votes in the short-term, but in the end it is an obvious ploy: as lawmakers, you are essentially using an issue where millions of lives are involved as a means to generate publicity instead of a remedy for a huge health issue. Fix the cause of the problem and stop attempting to address the issue with worthless legislation.

 

[SubGothius]

My Comment, Tracking Number 80f7d1a9:

I am writing in regards to how these regulations may affect the non-face-to-face sale of personal nicotine vaporizers, aka "electronic cigarettes", "e-cigarettes", or "e-cigs" for short.

There is no indication that minors have any interest whatsoever in using or purchasing these devices, nor are they marketed or knowingly sold to minors. Online retailers of these devices and the liquid they vaporize typically require age verification to purchase from or even view their Web sites, where purchase is only possible with a credit card, to which minors typically would not have access.

There is no indication that the flavors used in this liquid are intended to appeal to minors; indeed, the liquid has little if any inherent flavor of its own, so flavorings are added to make it more palatable to its adult users. It would be senseless to limit flavorings to "natural" tobacco, menthol or mint flavorings in this case where no flavor is "natural" to the liquid itself.

Although the liquid that these devices vaporize may contain nicotine derived from tobacco or other plants in the nightshade family, they do not contain any actual tobacco leaf nor produce any tobacco smoke, nor have they conclusively been shown to lead to any of the significant adverse health effects of actual tobacco use; therefore, including them in any restriction on non-face-to-face sale of tobacco products would be an inaccurate categorization of these products and their potential for risk.

Such a restriction would also put existing users of e-cigarettes, and smokers interested in trying them, at the mercy of local retailers, inhibiting competition and stifling innovation in this growing cottage industry and effectively deterring the use of a demonstrably safer alternative to actual tobacco use. Many of these consumers denied access to a thriving, competitive market for these devices would likely return to or continue using tobacco, to the detriment of their own health and that of the public in general.

 

[Brewlady]

This document from the CASAA website has a wealth of information. It was written almost two years ago.

Page 16 of this document should be printed out and included with every letter mailed, in color if possible!!

http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA_Legislative_Packet_Regarding_Indoor_Bans_Web.pdf

Vapers, PLEASE get writing.

We need to get the message out that vaping is not dangerous to bystanders. The argument that "protecting the children" being the basis for bans is insane. If I can buy cinnamon schnapps and lottery tickets, I should be able to buy fruit flavored vape.

 

[robblundberg]

bump! guys, use your right to free speech while you still can! Please you guys!

 

[proax9]

Moving this to top- to keep in everyone's radar.....
It takes less time than ordering supplies, which by the way, you may soon be limited or unable to do!!!!

 

[frosting]

Moving this to top- to keep in everyone's radar.....
It takes less time than ordering supplies, which by the way, you may soon be limited or unable to do!!!!

Great Point! & Super Bump!!!

 

[jimbill]

Done 80f7d75c.

 

[envizion]

Here is what I wrote:

I fully believe that focussing on the elimination of
Non-Face-to-Face Sale and Distribution of Tobacco Products and Advertising, Promotion, and Marketing of Tobacco Products is the wrong point of focus and not a sensible solution. Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on a solution that does not have such an economic impact, or a solution that just takes every aspect and discards them as a whole because it is simpler? There are more intillectual ways to prevent these products from being sold to minors such as a regulated delivery system that requires signing from a person of legal age with identification to use these products. I am certain there are even greater ideas that can be employed to prevent the sale of these products to minors. Now, as for the advertising, promotion, and marketing of these products, I would venture to guess that these issues could, if absolutely neccessary, be handled seperately from destroying the economy further by banning non-face-to-face sales. The economy is precarious enough at present to force us to use our intelligence to find another system to prevent the sale of these products to children/minors than just removing 70% or more of small business revenue by eliminating what "you" feel is a danger when it is not.

With that being said, the real solution is to find alternative measures to prevent sales to minors without causing more harm to our already precarious economic condition. Each "issue" should be handled seperately with well-thought solutions that truly help, rather than destroy because "you" see it as an immediate solution that is neccessary when there are other, sensible alternatives.